Discussion: FOX News

[MessiahDecoy123]

I remember the months leading to the Iraq War the media gave Bush a free ride. Hardly any media outlets questioned Bush' intel or motives. I knew then that the liberal media was a myth.

If the media was liberal it would all resemble MSNBC or NPR. But that isn't nearly the case.

The media is corporate, not left or right.

 

[8wid]

I've seen political ads on many local channels and cable ones. I must say that's a lot of channels you don't watch. Do you mean that you have Tivo?

I mean that it would be nice to see political ads with agendas that aren't 100% in favor of one political party or the other. In a perfect world we would have political ads that favor a more moderate viewpoint.

I only see political ads on the prime time networks and major news outlets. Since I watch cable and get my news only from abroad I don't have to put up with them. Otherwise I use Tivo.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The media is corporate, not left or right.

And the news corporations end up being more profitable by being biased. The sensational conservative style of Fox News drives in viewers and the massive amount of ad revenue, they make a lot of money.

MSNBC develops itself as a liberal, less sensational, alternative to Fox News and you have lefties coming in droves, and parent company GE benefits since the company is closely tied to the leftist Obama Administration.

And then you have CBS News which is shaped by the legendary Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, and even today with Katie Couric, all of which were/are liberal. NBC News shaped by liberals Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams. And ABC News shaped by the liberals Peter Jennings and Barbara Walters. It goes both ways. Yes, they are driven by profit, but bias does exist.

The biggest difference between the network news anchors and cable news anchors was that at least the network news anchors were professionals while the cable news anchors are hacks. Sure the network news anchors were liberally biased to a degree, but informing the public was their first and foremost duty. And that is why the American public tuned in and respected them. The cable news anchors (Bill O'Reilly, Keith Olbermann, Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow) are more focused on delivering their personal agendas.

 

[Superman]

Again, This is not about how we feel about Fox, How we feel about Fox is irrelevant. This discussion that we have had over the last couple of days now is about how Fox has revved up the fear and hatred in this country to a point that it's getting dangerous for anyone who isn't thought of as a "Real American" or "One Of Us" {i.e. Far Right Republican/Tea Party Member.}

This thread may be for discussions about "Fox News in general" but part of that "In General" discussion is the fact that Fox can not be trusted for anything other than lies and xenophobia. This is a valid discussion to have in the Fox thread and to try to suggest that it's not is just wrong.

The lies, Fears and xenophobia that Fox and the far Right has been preaching over the last few years has accumulated to the point that there is a plan by Americans in this country to burn religous sacred documents {i.e. The Quran} on 9/11 because we all know that all Muslims who follow and read the Quran are terrorists.

The fact that anyone in this country, Including the far Right, Would consider and condone the burning of any kind of book let alone a sacred religous document like the Quran is disgusting and it's not the America I know or want to live in. Book burning is something the Nazis did in 38 and none of us, Right or Left are Nazis nor should we act like them under any circumstances despite what these book burning people do.

Now, Just where do you think these people who are planing this book burning gets it information? MSNBC? CNN? No, I guarantee you that if asked most if not all of them watch Fox "News" on a regular basis.

Now don't ask me to prove that because you know I can't but we all know it's true even if some of you don't want to admit it.

Anyway, My point is this. The fear mongering and xenophobia that Fox has been pushing over the last few years has grown to a point where we now have book burnings and persecution of a certain religous group because they MIGHT/COULD/MAY be something we fear. It's not even about facts with these people anymore. It's just about how scared they can make people so they can get votes for their far Right candidates. Some of whom work for Fox.

No, This isn't about how "we feel" about Fox, This is about what is right and what is wrong and what Fox does on a daily basis is just wrong. It's wrong for the true conservative Republicans, It's wrong for the country, It's just plan wrong... period.

And if any of you can't see that then I feel sorry for you because you are just part of the problem.







But that's just my opinion.t:

 

[Oddzball]

I read it plenty much when I go through thinkprogress and George Soro's MediaMatters. Just I find it amusing that - if topic was the basis of importance in politics here - Fox News and Sarah Palin trumps the economy. Hell FoxNews thread has more posts than the economy. Even to some extent the healthcare thread with the "historic ObamaCare" and all it's realized consequences. Hardly any replies after all the ridicule the opposition got, such as posters calling those against it "behind the curve" and racists.

I believe they get called racist for holding signs of photomanipulated obama as a witch doctor and a whole host of other specific examples.

It'd be nice if palin and Fox News would cease acting like jerks and let us focus on things like the economy...

 

[Oddzball]

I don't get why Superman, you for clarification, are on a giant crusade against Fox News. MSNBC are partisan hacks just like Fox but there aren't people in here constantly going after them. We all know Fox and MSNBC are hacks...we don't need to hear it every other post. It just seems like a defense mechanism for liberals in today's political climate.

Take any MSNBC dirty tricks to a MSNBC thread then. Fox's folies go on this one.

Please be able to DOCUMENT any charges you make however.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

And the news corporations end up being more profitable by being biased. The sensational conservative style of Fox News drives in viewers and the massive amount of ad revenue, they make a lot of money.

MSNBC develops itself as a liberal, less sensational, alternative to Fox News and you have lefties coming in droves, and parent company GE benefits since the company is closely tied to the leftist Obama Administration.

And then you have CBS News which is shaped by the legendary Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, and even today with Katie Couric, all of which were/are liberal. NBC News shaped by liberals Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams. And ABC News shaped by the liberals Peter Jennings and Barbara Walters. It goes both ways. Yes, they are driven by profit, but bias does exist.

The biggest difference between the network news anchors and cable news anchors was that at least the network news anchors were professionals while the cable news anchors are hacks. Sure the network news anchors were liberally biased to a degree, but informing the public was their first and foremost duty. And that is why the American public tuned in and respected them. The cable news anchors (Bill O'Reilly, Keith Olbermann, Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow) are more focused on delivering their personal agendas.

you people seem to think everyone to the left of Fox is "leftist" and that is not the case.
you have a really misguided idea of where the middle is. It would be just as inaccurate to say everyone to the right of Keith Olbermann is far right wing.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Fox news funds the park 51 center.

 

[maenalus]

I can't recall MSNBC photoshopping someone's face to make them look demonic.

Neither can I. But, I can recall MSNBC cropping the head off of a black man with a gun and calling him white.

 

[Kelly]

Neither can I. But, I can recall MSNBC cropping the head off of a black man with a gun and calling him white.

It was done through editing of a video, I don't recall them "saying" he was a white man....but they certainly did not show him, or state the fact that it was a black man carrying the gun at the Tea Party rally. It held the door wide open for the assumption that the man was white.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

It was done through editing of a video, I don't recall them "saying" he was a white man....but they certainly did not show him, or state the fact that it was a black man carrying the gun at the Tea Party rally. It held the door wide open for the assumption that the man was white.

actually the day it happened they showed that black guy all day long. Interviewed him etc. I remember it very clearly because he was the one who said his "preacher" was saying that Obama should be killed.
the day after that on Contessa Brewer's show didn't show him other than his gun and clothes and the right jumped all over it claiming that they were trying to imply that he was white. They never said he was white. (although he was one in a sea of white protestors) but if all you watched was Fox you'd have never known. IIRC there were several men at the same protest carrying guns and this one just so happened to be black. The rest were white. Did Fox report on the white guys with the guns? I wonder how they would have reacted if a lot of black guys showed up at Palin speeches with guns? Would it still have been about freedom of speech and the 2nd amendment rights? I think the reason they focused on him was that he brought several weapons. One an AR-15.

 

[Kelly]

I watched most of the coverage, I never saw any of the full footage ANYWHERE.....and as I said, I didn't recall them saying he was white.

 

[maenalus]

They said "white people" showing up at the rally with guns probably has "racial overtones" . That they're upset that because a black man is in the White House.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

he was one black guy who carried weapons to the rally. the rest were white. but let's forget that he was there for not racial reasons but for religious/political reasons. his pastor wanted Obama dead.
Did Fox go after his preacher for preaching assassination?
Of course not he was white.
and "christian"
Just like when they tell you that the Imam for the park 51 community center is getting terrorist money from middle eastern sources and even go as far as to tag the guy running the foundation as a terrorist sympathizer. but they don't tell you his name or that he is the 2nd largest holder of Newscorp stock.

 

[maenalus]

actually the day it happened they showed that black guy all day long. Interviewed him etc. I remember it very clearly because he was the one who said his "preacher" was saying that Obama should be killed.
the day after that on Contessa Brewer's show didn't show him other than his gun and clothes and the right jumped all over it claiming that they were trying to imply that he was white. They never said he was white. (although he was one in a sea of white protestors) but if all you watched was Fox you'd have never known. IIRC there were several men at the same protest carrying guns and this one just so happened to be black. The rest were white. Did Fox report on the white guys with the guns? I wonder how they would have reacted if a lot of black guys showed up at Palin speeches with guns? Would it still have been about freedom of speech and the 2nd amendment rights? I think the reason they focused on him was that he brought several weapons. One an AR-15.

He said his preacher told him Obama should be killed?! You saw him say that? Is there video of this? I only remember him being a part of a group of Ron Paul supporters organized by a radio show host. Never heard anything at all from him about Obama, let alone killing him.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

He said his preacher told him Obama should be killed?! You saw him say that? Is there video of this? I only remember him being a part of a group of Ron Paul supporters organized by a radio show host. Never heard anything at all from him about Obama, let alone killing him.

Pastor Steve Anderson from the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Arizona
Seems he doesn't care for Jews either.

Has Fox reported on this guy? Or just msnbc's unfair portrayal of his patriotism?

 

[maenalus]

OK, I knew the guy was a kook, didn't know he was that kooky.

 

[chaseter]

Take any MSNBC dirty tricks to a MSNBC thread then. Fox's folies go on this one.

Please be able to DOCUMENT any charges you make however.

There is no MSNBC thread and I can point out hypocrisy as much as I want in here

Apparently some think this is the bash Fox News thread and anybody with a favorable opinion on any matter concerning Fox are trolls.

 

[Superman]

OK, So yesterday morning on "Fox And Friends" they have a guy on saying that the Imam running the cultural center has ties to a Saudi man that may have ties to radicals in Saudi Arabia.

The thing is that all the while they are talking about this "Man" that may have ties to radicals in Saudi Arabia and is helping to fund the Imam running the cultural center, They never say the mans name nor do they show a pic of this man. The man they was talking about is Alwaleed bin Talal, News Corp.'s largest shareholder and apparently good friends with Rupert Murdoch.

So this "Evil Man" who is funding the Imam running the cultural center is also part owner of Fox "news", But you would never know that by watching Fox.

The Daily Show did a bit about it lastnight....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap

So let me get this right, The guy who is part owner of Fox is also funding radicals in Saudi Arabia who may be a terrorist group?

So doesn't that make Fox a supporter of terrorist?

Like Fox says.... "Follow The Money".

 

[chaseter]

I saw that last night on John Stewart...pretty sad that they are either hiding that fact to generate ratings or they don't do research as the bit put it last night.

 

[hippie_hunter]

you people seem to think everyone to the left of Fox is "leftist" and that is not the case.
you have a really misguided idea of where the middle is. It would be just as inaccurate to say everyone to the right of Keith Olbermann is far right wing.

No, I know where the middle is. CNN is attempting to develop a centrist reputation, it's a shame that with no one watching they may end up going the route that Fox News and MSNBC are taking.

But the truth is that asides from Fox News and talk radio, there really is no outlet for conservative news media. That is why Rupert Murdoch founded Fox News. And honestly, I think that's where the "Fair and Balanced" slogan comes from because in their eyes it's fair that there is now a major news station that is slanted to the right. And it's balanced because Fox News is just so freaking big that it balances all the others (NBC News/MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News).

And yes the others are leftist, it's just the degree of how they portray their slant. NBC, ABC, and CBS still act like news organizations that are run by leftist, but professional, anchors, while MSNBC has taken the route of a less-sensational, leftist Fox News with it's programming dominated by Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, and Rachel Maddow, along with the Lawrence O'Donnell and Ed Schultz.

 

[hippie_hunter]

OK, So yesterday morning on "Fox And Friends" they have a guy on saying that the Imam running the cultural center has ties to a Saudi man that may have ties to radicals in Saudi Arabia.

The thing is that all the while they are talking about this "Man" that may have ties to radicals in Saudi Arabia and is helping to fund the Imam running the cultural center, They never say the mans name nor do they show a pic of this man. The man they was talking about is Alwaleed bin Talal, News Corp.'s largest shareholder and apparently good friends with Rupert Murdoch.

So this "Evil Man" who is funding the Imam running the cultural center is also part owner of Fox "news", But you would never know that by watching Fox.

The Daily Show did a bit about it lastnight....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap

So let me get this right, The guy who is part owner of Fox is also funding radicals in Saudi Arabia who may be a terrorist group?

So doesn't that make Fox a supporter of terrorist?

Like Fox says.... "Follow The Money".

God I love Jon Stewart.

 

[TimBisley]

But he's a leftist!!!! Worse, he's probably a *gasp* socialist!

 

[hippie_hunter]

But he's a leftist!!!! Worse, he's probably a *gasp* socialist!

I personally don't give a crap about a news organizations biased leanings. If they want to be sensationalist, manipulative, and right winged like Fox News, all the power to them. If they want to be liberal, I give them my best. That's why I find this whole argument to be silly because Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, and the network news organizations have the right to take whatever direction they want. And if you don't like it, just don't watch it. Just like how I completely avoid Fox News and MSNBC because I personally don't like their styles.

But Jon Stewart is the best. Yes he's a leftist, but he doesn't let his personal politics get in the way of his job. It doesn't matter what political leanings someone has, he calls out ******** on everyone.

 

[chaseter]

I do enjoy Jon Stewart more times than not but he does clearly have a liberal viewpoint and his programming is very left minded. He is an entertainment program so that is fine but like Fox, he does have a huge audience and the 18-35 or 34 or whatever it is...get their news from him. They watch The Daily Show more than they do any other news organization. So, that means that he structures all of those people's views through his comedy and his opinion. Now he could be responsible and be centrist but like Fox, he has found his niche and he is making a killing on it. He speaks his mind and clearly shows his opinion and the man is making a fortune doing it so there is no reason for him to stop or neuter himself because he isn't non partisan.

I just get sick and tired of people on the left whining about Fox News while Rachel Maddow is on their television. I never ever hear anybody on the right whining about MSNBC and I never ever hear anybody in the middle whining only about Fox News because those people take in both sides.