Discussion: FOX News

[Hobodeluxe]

One conservative =/= all conservatives.

so the rest of the republicans lowered the deficits and cut spending?
just the one didn't? is that what you're saying?

 

[chaseter]

Only one man signs the bills into law and he is ultimately responsible for what is in it because he approves it. Republicans and Democrats are just like any politician when it comes to pork and ear marks. Both parties try to keep their job and to do so means payouts to the corporations and unions that keep them in office.

 

[Kelly]

When did the Democrats take over Congress? I don't remember the year?

 

[hippie_hunter]

2006

 

[Kelly]

Awww, yes....ok.

 

[chaseter]

When did the Democrats take over Congress? I don't remember the year?

2006

When things started to go downhill! Huzzah

 

[Superman]

When things started to go downhill! Huzzah

Yes, 2006 is when this country started having trouble. Everything was just dandy before that, It was a regular paradise before the Dems got in wasn't it?

 

[Superman]

She can't help it that reality has a left wing bias.

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

What the Right calls "Skews Facts" from Maddow, The rest of the world calls reality.

Maddow is a Liberal, No doubt about that, She's never denied it, But that doesn't mean she lies about her reports. The same can't be said about anyone at Fox.

That's the difference between her and everyone at Fox. She doesn't have to lie to get her message out. The facts are enough.

 

[chaseter]

Aside from the war which we will agree went on too long, what was so bad?

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

What the Right calls "Skews Facts" from Maddow, The rest of the world calls reality.

Maddow is a Liberal, No doubt about that, She's never denied it, But that doesn't mean she lies about her reports. The same can't be said about anyone at Fox.

That's the difference between her and everyone at Fox. She doesn't have to lie to get her message out. The facts are enough.

Bill O can't help it he is conservative. Anytime he has stated something that is not fact, he apologized for it. But somehow Rachel Maddow delivers the unequivocal truth.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Maddow has lied on her television show before as well by deliberately cutting out parts of statements and videos from others to push her agenda.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Aside from the war which we will agree went on too long, what was so bad?
.

budget deficit ballooning. jobs declining. this little thing called a mortgage bubble with it's toxic assets and Wall st acting like a meth addict hitting the pipe knowing he has the US economy by the cajones and the govt in his pocket.
too much power/too few hands

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Maddow has lied on her television show before as well by deliberately cutting out parts of statements and videos from others to push her agenda.

citation

 

[Matt Mortem]

Didn't anyone see Jon Stewarts follow the money report last night? Apparently the super evil Arab funding the so called "terror mosque" in NY is the same guy that owns the second largest share of FOX news. I'm gonna do some digging to verify it, but if it turns out to be true then FOX news is a bigger bunch of creeps than I thought. They've been accusing one of their shareholders of terrorism. HAHA

 

[hippie_hunter]

budget deficit ballooning.

That is certainly Bush and the Congressional Republicans' fault

jobs declining.

The job losses started in December of 2007 and got extreme in 2008. Before then, unemployment stuck around 5% for most of Bush's Presidency.

this little thing called a mortgage bubble with it's toxic assets and Wall st acting like a meth addict hitting the pipe knowing he has the US economy by the balls and the govt in his pocket.

The result of Bill Clinton and the Congressional Republicans enacting legislation that deregulated necessary regulations on banks. And the Bush Administrations SEC that forgot how to do its job that allowed far too much speculation of Wall St.

too much power/too few hands

Agreed.

While not great, Bush's Presidency really didn't hit the ****ter of rampant unemployment and the financial crisis until late 2007.

 

[Kelly]

As far as the housing fiasco....I blame Clinton before anyone else....YES, Greenspan and his decisions certainly fueled it...but as far as I'm concerned the main blame goes to the Taxpayer Relief Act which exempts married couples filing jointly from paying taxes on the profits earned by the sale of a residential home for up to $500,000. That key piece of legislature changed the incentive to buy and sell personal real estate indefinitely, pushing consumers toward riskier behavior.

So which party is to blame for the bubble?

“There is plenty of blame to go around,” Mr. Pinto says. “In particular both parties got enamored with unrealistically and quickly growing the homeownership rate. However I would give (the bigger share of the blame) to the Democrats.”

Mr. Lawler says: “Both (parties) in my mind were fully and completely culpable. Both focused on programs to promote homeownership without much thought. One (the Democrats) focused too much on housing goals (for loans to lower-income people) and government’s role, while the other (Republicans) focused on lax regulation, even of institutions where the government and taxpayers were at risk.”

Edward Pinto, a mortgage-industry consultant who was the chief credit officer at Fannie Mae in the late 1980s, argued in a WSJ op-ed essay that “most agree that the housing bubble started in 1997.”

Tom Lawler, an independent economist who worked at Fannie Mae from 1984 to 2006.




Source of quotes: Wall Street Journal

 

[Hobodeluxe]

Didn't anyone see Jon Stewarts follow the money report last night? Apparently the super evil Arab funding the so called "terror mosque" in NY is the same guy that owns the second largest share of FOX news. I'm gonna do some digging to verify it, but if it turns out to be true then FOX news is a bigger bunch of creeps than I thought. They've been accusing one of their shareholders of terrorism. HAHA

yeah I saw that . I'm with team Evil.

actual Newscorp/Fox Board meeting.

I wonder if he appreciated Doocey and Butthead's remarks about him?

 

[hippie_hunter]

citation

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-c...y-makes-false-claims-about-stup#ixzz0iBHm1gx2

http://bigjournalism.com/sright/201...addow-leaves-truth-on-the-cutting-room-floor/

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[Hobodeluxe]

As far as the housing fiasco....I blame Clinton before anyone else....YES, Greenspan and his decisions certainly fueled it...but as far as I'm concerned the main blame goes to the Taxpayer Relief Act which exempts married couples filing jointly from paying taxes on the profits earned by the sale of a residential home for up to $500,000. That key piece of legislature changed the incentive to buy and sell personal real estate indefinitely, pushing consumers toward riskier behavior.

So which party is to blame for the bubble?






Edward Pinto, a mortgage-industry consultant who was the chief credit officer at Fannie Mae in the late 1980s, argued in a WSJ op-ed essay that “most agree that the housing bubble started in 1997.”

Tom Lawler, an independent economist who worked at Fannie Mae from 1984 to 2006.




Source of quotes: Wall Street Journal

People didn't really go crazy until the banks were given the greenlight to lend to anyone and the govt allowed them to really overextend themselves plus the free money from the fed. Subprime mortgages and ARMs. There were a lot of contributing factors. It was basically a free for all and still is.
but the money is all gone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

There's a lot of contributing factors and we can point fingers till the world grows cold. The question is what do we do about it?
How do the people take it back?
How can we fix our corrupt govt.?
The first step is to realize both sides are bad.
Unless we stick together we can't do this.
It's got to be us v. them for now.
They want us divided. They need us divided.
It's the only way their plan works.
They are in bed with most of the people in the tv box.
on the radio
those who write columns.
those people get paid to say what they do.
sometimes they are right, others they are wrong but all the time they are doing their job.

secondly we have to vote them out of office. only independent reform candidates.
we have to get the laws changed that allow them to benefit so well from their votes.
we need hard and fast rules regarding elections,campaigns and independent ethics investigations and resolutions.
we need verified voting with instant runoff.
we need a law neutering the Citizens United ruling.
we need to revisit corporate person-hood and set their boundaries politically.
I refute the concept that a corporate entity should be able to vote with it's dollars in an unlimited manner. to influence the populace with their propaganda?
Why should the people allow their power to be usurped? To be lied to? have we completely forgotten how critical our news information is?
They are our eyes and ears. Without them we are lost. And yet we've forgotten our civic duty and acquiesced control to the jester.
He who keeps us entertained ,tells us how to feel, who to hate,who to blame.


wake up people. your country needs you.

 

[maenalus]

Maddow is one of the slimiest smear artists around. In April she portrayed some pro-gun demonstrators as would be Timothy McVieghs because they held their march on Patriots Day, which because this year it happened to fall on the anniversary of the bombing somehow meant....what? That they were secretly celebrating McViegh and the Patriot Day thing was just a cover? At that same time, when Bill Clinton resurrected his demagoguing of conservative "rhetoric" as being what lead McViegh to murder, conservatives like Rush Limbaugh and Larry Pratt defended themselves by pointing out that if anyone shares culpability in pushing McViegh towards violence, it's Clinton for the Branch Davidian massacre. Maddow said that by these men's pointing out of that fact, they were offering "sympathetic" excuses for McViegh.

And then worse still, you have have her pathetic treatment of congressman Steve King. When Joseph Stack flew a plane into that building because he blamed the IRS for ruining his life, she, and practically the whole left, portrayed King has offering sympathy for what Stack did because he, King, has offered legislation to abolish the IRS. First, some left winger tried some stupid demagoguery on him. Trying to get him to concede that by criticizing the IRS, he bore responsibility for driving Stack to commit his act of terrorism. It was truly one of the dumbest attempts at demonizing I've ever seen.

So yeah. Maddow is not some clean, fair minded liberal. She's as crass and stupid a propagandist as you'll find.

 

[Kelly]

People didn't really go crazy until the banks were given the greenlight to lend to anyone and the govt allowed them to really overextend themselves plus the free money from the fed. Subprime mortgages and ARMs. There were a lot of contributing factors. It was basically a free for all and still is.
but the money is all gone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

There's a lot of contributing factors and we can point fingers till the world grows cold. The question is what do we do about it?
How do the people take it back?
How can we fix our corrupt govt.?

I totally agree...

 

[chaseter]

budget deficit ballooning.

That is occurring right now at ten fold the rate it was but it is okay now Bush increased the debt I think 5-6 trillion. After looking it up, he increased it right under 5 trillion. Over a trillion of that went to the war which I totally agree was pointless. So he increased it 5 trillion over 8 years. Obama has increased the debt half of that in 18 months. Talk about causing the budget deficit to balloon That is 2.6-something trillion dollars in a year and a half.

jobs declining

The highest it got under Bush was 6 in 2003 when the dotcom bubble bursted. It then went back down into the 4's until shocker...the end of 2006 when it started to increase again.

this little thing called a mortgage bubble with it's toxic assets and Wall st acting like a meth addict hitting the pipe knowing he has the US economy by the cajones and the govt in his pocket.
too much power/too few hands

You need to do some more research at who caused the mortgage bubble. A lot of Democrats still in power hand their hands in the pot and were part of the reason that caused the huge mess that led to a recession.

Who pushed banks to make risky loans to people that could not afford their house and surprise, not able to pay their mortgage? Who was right in the middle of Fannie and Freddie? Why did the recent Wallstreet reform bill that Obama and company just passed not include the cause of the recession? The Republicans who were part of it got voted out but for some reason the Democrats that were part of it are still in power.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

That is occurring right now at ten fold the rate it was but it is okay now Bush increased the debt I think 5-6 trillion. After looking it up, he increased it right under 5 trillion. Over a trillion of that went to the war which I totally agree was pointless. So he increased it 5 trillion over 8 years. Obama has increased the debt half of that in 18 months. Talk about causing the budget deficit to balloon That is 2.6-something trillion dollars in a year and a half.

What was Obama supposed to do? Is there some emergency brake somewhere that you can pull and stop the results of a decade of decadence? You do understand residual effect right? Then there's the problem of all those out of work people. What do you want to do with them? Millions of families on the streets. Simply turn away? Cops ,firemen,teachers all losing their jobs. Crime on the rise. Do you ignore that?

The highest it got under Bush was 6 in 2003 when the dotcom bubble bursted. It then went back down into the 4's until shocker...the end of 2006 when it started to increase again.

Bush was the first president to leave office with a net loss of jobs. Those numbers? They changed they way they calculated those numbers. now those who have been out of work past their payments are considered employed. They still are btw. Obama hasn't changed that.

You need to do some more research at who caused the mortgage bubble. A lot of Democrats still in power hand their hands in the pot and were part of the reason that caused the huge mess that led to a recession.

Who pushed banks to make risky loans to people that could not afford their house and surprise, not able to pay their mortgage? Who was right in the middle of Fannie and Freddie? Why did the recent Wallstreet reform bill that Obama and company just passed not include the cause of the recession? The Republicans who were part of it got voted out but for some reason the Democrats that were part of it are still in power.

I never said the Dems hands were clean. Both sides had stupid greedy legislation.

 

[dnno1]

Didn't anyone see Jon Stewarts follow the money report last night? Apparently the super evil Arab funding the so called "terror mosque" in NY is the same guy that owns the second largest share of FOX news. I'm gonna do some digging to verify it, but if it turns out to be true then FOX news is a bigger bunch of creeps than I thought. They've been accusing one of their shareholders of terrorism. HAHA

http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZAWYA20071031104140/secIndustries/pagEducation

http://www.kingdom.com.sa/en/CorpCocialRes_KF.asp

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=117853

 

[Marx]

Yes, 2006 is when this country started having trouble. Everything was just dandy before that, It was a regular paradise before the Dems got in wasn't it?

Yep. From what I remember it was a perfect paradise.

Didn't anyone see Jon Stewarts follow the money report last night? Apparently the super evil Arab funding the so called "terror mosque" in NY is the same guy that owns the second largest share of FOX news. I'm gonna do some digging to verify it, but if it turns out to be true then FOX news is a bigger bunch of creeps than I thought. They've been accusing one of their shareholders of terrorism. HAHA

If that's true...

 

[dnno1]

When things started to go downhill! Huzzah

Yes, 2006 is when this country started having trouble. Everything was just dandy before that, It was a regular paradise before the Dems got in wasn't it?

From what I remember, the Domestic Air-carriers were in a funk since 9/11 and have never really recovered (some of them whet belly up). There were a lot of companies who reneged on their employee pensions prior to 2006 as well. Oh, and by the way, there were many economists who predicted the housing market crash before 2006. To me that means that things were set in motion before the 2006 elections and the Republican controlled house and senate did nothing to prevent it. I don't know so much about it being a paradise.