Discussion: Gay Rights

[Backdrifter]

Yeah, your old name on here was Stewie Griffin, wasn't it?

yes, that was chosen during my Family Guy phase... of which I am terribly ashamed!

 

[Kevin]

Why not let religious institutions decide this? There are denominations which would preside over marriage ceremonies for gay couples, such as the United Church of Christ and, more recently, the Lutheran church. Unitarian Universalists support giving gays marriage rights, too. As long as religious institutions are willing to let gays marry, then there should be no reason why the government should interfere in this situation and try to pass a law which says otherwise.

I'm just saying, whether I were to commit to a man or woman, It would not in any way be under god.

That's another thing, but I rather not start some shiz.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

yes, that was chosen during my Family Guy phase... of which I am terribly ashamed!

Don't be.

You shouldn't be ashamed of sex, weed, Family Guy and rock music.

But that's just my perspective, brah.

 

[Backdrifter]

Don't be.

You shouldn't be ashamed of sex, weed, Family Guy and rock music.

But that's just my perspective, brah.

That's fine for you maybe. But, I was using those things to affirm my life and they weren't doing it.

 

[The Senator]

I'm just saying, whether I were to commit to a man or woman, It would not in any way be under god.

That's another thing, but I rather not start some shiz.

I'm not looking to start something here, either, so don't take anything I have to say as an attack on you personally-- just an attack on the 'civil unions is the best option' stance a lot of people have. Well, my argument is, as long as religious institutions are willing to marry homosexual couples, then there's no reason why they shouldn't be prohibited from doing so.

Believe it or not, there are religious homosexuals who see such a ceremony as something which is just as sacred to them as it is to a heterosexual couple. My point is, I don't see why gays can't have both options, if certain denominations are willing to marry gays.

And as long as these religions are willing to marry gays, then the conservative defense of maintaining America's Judeo-Christian values is a moot point. At this stage, they're trying to use government to control religion, rather than using religion to control government.

 

[bullets]

why can't people have their own religion . people say its wrong for gays to get married .. why ? because you choose to read the bible? It is their choice , let's move on , let them be happy in their own world.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Nah, that's far too logical to work. It's much more fun to discriminate and deny certain rights such as marriage or joining the armed forced based solely on sexual orientation.

 

[Kevin]

I'm not looking to start something here, either, so don't take anything I have to say as an attack on you personally-- just an attack on the 'civil unions is the best option' stance a lot of people have. Well, my argument is, as long as religious institutions are willing to marry homosexual couples, then there's no reason why they shouldn't be prohibited from doing so.

Believe it or not, there are religious homosexuals who see such a ceremony as something which is just as sacred to them as it is to a heterosexual couple. My point is, I don't see why gays can't have both options, if certain denominations are willing to marry gays.

And as long as these religions are willing to marry gays, then the conservative defense of maintaining America's Judeo-Christian values is a moot point. At this stage, they're trying to use government to control religion, rather than using religion to control government.

Also, I agree, If gay people want to marry, it should be allowed. But it burns my feet that they want to, as well as straight people, do it under god. I don't care, really, they have their beliefs and what not, but I will never "get" or get with it.

 

[thedeadite]

My aunt thinks that interracial couples go against the "order" of society, though I'm sure 99.9% of the people here think that's completely insane and bigotted. Funny how things are different when you change what minority is being opressed.

I must admit though, that she's also against homosexuality in general (don't get her started on marriage) and wishes that Canada could become a christian theocracy to the point that people would be jailed and in some cases put to death for things as small as blasphemy. She's pretty much bat**** insane.

 

[Kevin]

My aunt thinks that interracial couples go against the "order" of society, though I'm sure 99.9% of the people here think that's completely insane and bigotted. Funny how things are different when you change what minority is being opressed.

I must admit though, that she's also against homosexuality in general (don't get her started on marriage) and wishes that Canada could become a christian theocracy to the point that people would be jailed and in some cases put to death for things as small as blasphemy. She's pretty much bat**** insane.

You see, it's one thing to not like interracial couples and gay people. It's another thing completely when people feel Blacks and Gays should be jailed or put to death for being who they are, and loving who they love. Those are the type of people who make me want to go out at night and play stabby.

 

[jaguarr]

You see, it's one thing to not like interracial couples and gay people. It's another thing completely when people feel Blacks and Gays should be jailed or put to death for being who they are, and loving who they love. Those are the type of people who make me want to go out at night and play stabby.

Why does that sound like you trying to justify going out to after-hour glory holes?

At any rate, yeah, people who want to persecute others just for being of a different race, religion or sexual persuasion are pretty despicable.

jag

 

[Kevin]

Why does that sound like you trying to justify going out to after-hour glory holes?
jag

<--- Open wide
<---And lick
<---He shot Everywhere
<---But overall, I was happy.

 

[jaguarr]

Haha! You so messy, Kevin.

jag

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Why not let religious institutions decide this? There are denominations which would preside over marriage ceremonies for gay couples, such as the United Church of Christ and, more recently, the Lutheran church. Unitarian Universalists support giving gays marriage rights, too. As long as religious institutions are willing to let gays marry, then there should be no reason why the government should interfere in this situation and try to pass a law which says otherwise.

I don't think the problem is with some churches performing marriage cermonies, but rather that a gay couple cannot get the same legal rights as a straight couple.

Why does that sound like you trying to justify going out to after-hour glory holes?

If I remember the terminology correct, him playing "stabby" would mean he's boning the glory hole, which I don't think is how it's done. I would imagine "playing mouth-hug" is more appropriate.

...

And now back to your regularly scheduled discussion...

 

[jaguarr]

If I remember the terminology correct, him playing "stabby" would mean he's boning the glory hole, which I don't think is how it's done. I would imagine "playing mouth-hug" is more appropriate.

I'll defer to your superior glory-hole knowledge and expertise.

jag

 

[MaskedManJRK]

I'll defer to your superior glory-hole knowledge and expertise.

jag

I'm not sure if I should be honored or ashamed.

 

[C.F. Kane]

<--- Open wide
<---And lick
<---He shot Everywhere
<---But overall, I was happy.

haha!

I was going to post some response to Backdrifter's opinion of atheism, but after seeing this I didn't want to kill the mood.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I spent a coupe of years away. I became disenfranchised with other Christians. I thought they were all crazy and zealous. I thought I was agnostic for the longest time. Started buying into crazy conspiracy theories, became literally obsessed with bands. The darkest parts of it were the pornography and the borderline atheism/evolution ideas I was starting to have. Those really put me in a place were I was so lonely and felt like there was no reason to be alive. I guess the constant pot smoking didn't help with my depression But, all the while I felt like everything was all wrong, but I just continued to live that life. I can't say why. I hated myself and everything I was doing. I was just a really angry, negative person. And then one night I just had this breakdown. I went home to my mom and cried like a little kid. It was pretty pathetic. I just told her how sick I had been acting for so long and how I hated myself and the life of sin I was living in. I honestly felt a bit like Gollum. I hated and loved myself and the life I was living. So then I went back to my place and just cried and begged for my life and for forgiveness. I knew what all those people that I learned to hate felt flowing through me. The next day I went and cut my hair which I hadn't cut in about 8 months and then talked with the pastor of my church. I just confessed how awful things had been for me. It felt really great to talk about everything. What was really cool was how my friends commented on how different I looked. My best friend said the whole air of negativity had just vanished from me and I seemed like a different person. This was about 2-3 weeks ago. Everyday is better than the next. I've never felt more alive in my whole life. I'm ready to live for the Lord. t:

(I realize I've turned into one of those "crazies," but I really don't care anymore.)

Does this mean you're gonna ease up on Len Wiseman ? t:

 

[Sarge 2.0]

I spent a coupe of years away. I became disenfranchised with other Christians. I thought they were all crazy and zealous. I thought I was agnostic for the longest time. Started buying into crazy conspiracy theories, became literally obsessed with bands. The darkest parts of it were the pornography and the borderline atheism/evolution ideas I was starting to have. Those really put me in a place were I was so lonely and felt like there was no reason to be alive. I guess the constant pot smoking didn't help with my depression But, all the while I felt like everything was all wrong, but I just continued to live that life. I can't say why. I hated myself and everything I was doing. I was just a really angry, negative person. And then one night I just had this breakdown. I went home to my mom and cried like a little kid. It was pretty pathetic. I just told her how sick I had been acting for so long and how I hated myself and the life of sin I was living in. I honestly felt a bit like Gollum. I hated and loved myself and the life I was living. So then I went back to my place and just cried and begged for my life and for forgiveness. I knew what all those people that I learned to hate felt flowing through me. The next day I went and cut my hair which I hadn't cut in about 8 months and then talked with the pastor of my church. I just confessed how awful things had been for me. It felt really great to talk about everything. What was really cool was how my friends commented on how different I looked. My best friend said the whole air of negativity had just vanished from me and I seemed like a different person. This was about 2-3 weeks ago. Everyday is better than the next. I've never felt more alive in my whole life. I'm ready to live for the Lord. t:

(I realize I've turned into one of those "crazies," but I really don't care anymore.)

I don't think it was atheism or being an evolutionist that put you in a dark place but whatever.

 

[YsoSerious]

No thanks I'm already married.

 

[C.F. Kane]

I don't think it was atheism or being an evolutionist that put you in a dark place but whatever.

I agree. There is in fact a difference between atheism and clinical depression.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I agree. There is in fact a difference between atheism and clinical depression.

But what about Catholicsm and clinical depression?

 

[Sandman138]

Because Christians, like everyone else, like to be distracted from accepting responsibility for their own problems. It's an unfortunate part of the human condition, and Christians are humans.

Divorce in the particular Christian "denomination" that I go to is not as high as the "secular" world, but the margin is only a few percent. I believe, if my memory serves me right, you could probably argue that the difference falls with the margin of error. I would wager that Christian churches as a whole have divorce rates that approximate the secular divorce rate.

But, it's so much easier to say "Gay marriage will destroy society!" than it is to say, "Why are our marriages failing?" It's easier to say "Hollywood is destroying the family" than it is to throw out your television or quit going to the movies. It's so much easier to write your congressman about Adam and Steve's desire to be married than it is to sit down with your wife, knee to knee, and commit to do whatever it takes to make your marriage work.

I feel fortunate that I attend a church that focuses on honoring God and strengthening one another--not kowtowing to the latest political/moral movement. I've been a member there for four years. Never has prayer in public schools been preached about. There have been plenty of sermons about your responsibility to educate your own children in the faith. Never has gay marriage been touched on. There have been plenty of sermons about strengthening your marriage. Never has their been an endorsement for or against a candidate for public office, although the preacher has reminded us to get out and vote. The gay marriage ban wasn't even discussed when it came up for a vote, last year.

As a Christian, I do believe that marriage is a sacred institution set forth by God. And, I believe that marriage is intended for one man and one woman. As such, I can't support the idea of "gay marriage." I see marriage as a socio-religious contract. Government sees marriage primarily as a economic and legal contract. The solution that I feel is best for our society is a "divorce" between marriage and state governments. Let governments have civil unions that any two people can get into for economic/legal reasons. Let people, then, if they want to get married, go to whoever they see fit to marry them. Priest, judge, her best friend, whatever . . .

QFT!

 

[C.F. Kane]

But what about Catholicsm and clinical depression?

... I don't follow

 

[Steve Rogers]

... I don't follow

In a nutshell...Catholics are taught since day one that they are screw ups and that they will always be screw ups and that they will always be punished and it's basically a rule through fear mentality. There's a great quote from Dogma "Catholics don't celebrate their relegion; they mourn it."