🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[Black Narcissus]

Dems need to sit with The Rock and at the very least ask what he wants. Let’s get nuts!

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Dave Bautista
Julian Castro
Mark Cuban
Shawn Fain
Mark Kelly
JB Pritzker

We don’t know if and to what extent there will free and fair elections in our future so consider this a mental health exercise. They all have their pluses and minuses but we need charismatic speakers that appeal to men.

 

[Herofan]

From watching the PBS commentary they thought Trump was able to appeal to and get out non-highly educated voters on economic populism, from what I saw they didn't even mention Walz and it is surprising to me that he wasn't able to make the Democratic platform seem populist enough to a lot of voters, fewer rather than more than usual seemed to think it was. Sherrod Brown, another prominent even archetypal example of Democrat who focuses on economic populist positions and appeals, sometimes also seen as who more of the party should be a lot more like, also losing was also striking.

Another of their big conclusions was that Trumpism was both dominating in and really effective in getting out rural voters.

Really don't get young men voting for Trump, I would think they would be at least moderate on immigration and offput by abortion ban, and don't get anyone, as it seemed a lot of people did, just blaming all inflation on Biden/Harris.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Young men were spending their time diving into the rightwing internet ecosystem and manosphere during the pandemic years, that’s what happened.

 

[Herofan]

I really don't think Trump will actually enact many tariffs, just a few on some very specific industries/products, not enough to make a really big impact but there will be some, some of the impact from that may be positive.

We probably will see pretty anti-union policies, which can then cause considerable backlash, and yet tariffs, especially if they lead to/correlate with increasing manufacturing jobs, can definitely be framed as being pro-worker.

 

[Herofan]

Joe Rogan, and the influence he has on his viewers, just didn't strike me as really conservative generally and I think now with a second Trump term he will gradually but steadily go real against him, not outright for Democrat alternative is completely great, but still be quite against Trump by a year to two years into the term (including claiming he's not doing what he said he would, is doing what he said he wouldn't).

 

[blueharvest]

Today is a day of despair for America. We are plunged into an anticipatory grief | Moira Donegan

I hope we can turn our attention to the most vulnerable among us: those who are less safe today than they were yesterday, says Guardian US columnist Moira Donegan

www.theguardian.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[blueharvest]

The Absolute Last Advice You Should Listen to After the Election

You should be feeling a lot of things right now. This is not one of them.

slate.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Moncton]

Ridiculous, Walz was the least of their problems and was responsible for the initial enthusiasm with his labelling of the right as weird, a strategy which I have no idea why they abandoned. If anything, they didn't use him enough.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[blueharvest]

Nebraska and Maine split their electoral votes. Here's how it worked

Forty-eight states and Washington, D.C., award all their presidential electoral votes to the candidate who wins statewide. And then there’s Nebraska and Maine.

apnews.com

 

[Erik20]

I'm not going to feel sorry for her when Trump and Republicans take away her rights, or do something else that will affect her life in a bad way. I don't want to hear about it when that happens, go to Trump.

 

[blueharvest]

I'm not going to feel sorry for her when Trump and Republicans take away her rights, or do something else that will affect her life in a bad way. I don't want to hear about it when that happens, go to Trump.

Trump will absolutely do those things once he's back in the White House and then people like her will wonder why it's happening.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Erik20]

Trump will absolutely do those things once he's back in the White House and then people like her will wonder why it's happening.

Yup. Same as the guys who just want to "beat the Libs." They'll be shocked when Trump takes away their porn, videogames, and Tiktok.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Oh so they're going to throw Walz under the bus rather than look at inflation, Gaza and the perception of the border.

 

[blueharvest]

Oh so they're going to throw Walz under the bus rather than look at inflation, Gaza and the perception of the border.

I guess so.

 

[Mani-Man]

Oh so they're going to throw Walz under the bus rather than look at inflation, Gaza and the perception of the border.

Of course they see the one of the consistent good things under the bus.
Until they told Walz to tone it down, he was the best thing the Democrats had.
The perfect running mate that didnt hold back calling the Conservatives what they are.
Then they told him to tone it down and lost it.

The blame should fall on the tactic first and foremost.
I get that the Gaza situation was tricky, harris was also VP and couldnt go against biden...i get that.
But their whole tactic ended up being Clinton 2.0 instead of being the alternative.

People worry about the inflation and really the only thing they had on this, was a "The economy is good".
Like, why would you not point at Trump as the reason for the inflation, point at how the whole world has to deal with it?
How did you not adress the solutions stronger?

And the Border? Why ignoring that?
It is a important topic, a "We will look to strenghten controls" or something basic would have helped.

Anything that actually adresses the problems people have, in easy to understand terms.
Blaming it on Walz is insane and shows again how little the Democrats understand.
The problem werent the people, it were the politics or the lack of.

 

[Mani-Man]

I'm not going to feel sorry for her when Trump and Republicans take away her rights, or do something else that will affect her life in a bad way. I don't want to hear about it when that happens, go to Trump.

That is what sucks to me.
Because i cant be like Conservatives are.
I cant watch people get hurt and go "Haha, you deserve it".
So if she loses her rights, i feel sorry for her...even thought she is the cause of it.

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Even with those she would have lost, but i still despise Performative nonsense.
Especially since voting in America is so important.
Like, if i in my country vote for some super weird party or so its not that big of a deal because we have more than two.
But America has just two, your performative nonsense is a pointless play that will end up hurting.

Like all those who voted for stein because they are "Against genocide"...Trump won and is pro genocide, so what did you win?

 

[Ironfan72]

Yep, lets blame the minority voters, that's always a good look.

No one is blaming minority voters, in this case, in a state Kamala needed, muslim voters decided Trump was a lesser evil than Kamala and Biden, yet Trump has been pretty clear his support for Isreal is a million times stronger than Biden, frankly, how much can an American president really do?
The exit polling showed the vast majority of people only cared about the economy, saying it was bad, which is hilarious as the US economy is the strongest in the world, lowest unemployment in 50 years, corporations are making record profits each quarter, inflation was coming down, interest rates were being cut, salaries were increasing, yet, republicans especially here in Ohio ran on what they called failed Bidenomics, high grocery prices, again, let me ask, when Kroger reports billions in profit during what we are told is high inflation, is it inflation or corporate greed, the CEO of Kroger said in front of congress that he could easily lower prices, but wouldnt till they acquired a grocery chain out west, so they had the abilty to lower food prices, but chose not to, same with Wal-Mart who eventually did on some products, so clearly amercians have zero idea how an economy works.
If those who voted for Trump think things are going to get better, just wait for his tariffs that is expected to add $4,000 in new taxes to every amercian, or when Elon is unleashed on the budget and was quoted as saying things will be bad for awhile, all while trump is promising tax cuts for the rich, and who will suffer the most...the middle class, the people who just voted Trump and didnt trust Kamala.

 

[Zarex]

I'm not going to feel sorry for her when Trump and Republicans take away her rights, or do something else that will affect her life in a bad way. I don't want to hear about it when that happens, go to Trump.

My empathy level, which was already low enough that I was at times cheering on the global warming fueled floods, hurricanes and tornadoes that recently ravaged Trump America, has slipped even lower. I vote largely out of empathy for others and then obsess over awfulness in both America and abroad. But I am finding that’s not healthy.

Abortion rights don’t impact me directly, so why should I muster any concern over women dying from ectopic pregnancies when white women apparently can’t do the same? The situation in Gaza is horrific, but many muslims and the far left believe that the guy whose first official act in office was a Muslim ban is better equipped to deal with it. If they actually believe that, or don’t understand basic civics, then who am I to judge? My nuanced take on transsexual partition in female athletics was considered extreme on these boards, where most (non banished) posters have had a “You go girl!” attitude regarding this controversial topic. But America has decided that my “extreme” position was far too librul for the American heartland, and I can’t muster the energy to disagree.

My plan for now is to avoid politics and hunker down in my blue oasis within the awfulness that is America.

 

[Ironfan72]

My empathy level, which was already low enough that I was at times cheering on the global warming fueled floods, hurricanes and tornadoes that recently ravaged Trump America, has slipped even lower. I vote largely out of empathy for others and then obsess over awfulness in both America and abroad. But I am finding that’s not healthy.

Abortion rights don’t impact me directly, so why should I muster any concern over women dying from ectopic pregnancies when white women apparently can’t do the same? The situation in Gaza is horrific, but many muslims and the far left believe that the guy whose first official act in office was a Muslim ban is better equipped to deal with it. If they actually believe that, or don’t understand basic civics, then who am I to judge? My nuanced take on transsexual partition in female athletics was considered extreme on these boards, where most (non banished) posters have had a “You go girl!” attitude regarding this controversial topic. But America has decided that my “extreme” position was far too librul for the American heartland, and I can’t muster the energy to disagree.

My plan for now is to avoid politics and hunker down in my blue oasis within the awfulness that is America.

Thats how i typically vote, i believe in womens rights, and equal treatment, but seems that is to liberal, i live in a progressive city in a red state, how long that will last in Trumps empire, i dont know, like you, i have decided to avoid politics, social media and put my head down and try to make the best of what is coming, blaming each other now for what happened no longer matters, Ive seen maga on facebook ramp up their mocking of celebraties like Ron Pearlman who supported Kamala and we now seem to be ok in the country enbracing hate and bigorty, Im not sure how anyone here will beleive in law and order when 71 million people just elected and convicted felon because he hates who they hate and get you cheap eggs.
My heart breaks for every little girl who know thinks there is no hope for them, for LGBT people who will have all their hard fought rights taken away, immigrants who will be put in detention camps and deported for simply wanting what we used to be, the light of freedom, so, now where does the world turn to when they need hope? America was never perfect, but we at the least gave the world hope that someone cared and would help, now, we are just another dictatorship run by religious zeolots, my heart hurts for my mom who is 74 and just watched the country she grew up believing in die on Tuesday, she is scared for her future, Ive spoken to several of my female friends who are despressed that this country sees them as less than a person, all because we forgot who we were and decided Trump was a better choice than a women with experience, this country is about to have a reckoning.