🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[Babillygunn]

Is it possible for these charges being dropped to be charged again after 4 years ? Just curious what they can charge him with after he is done with his second term

If a case is dismissed without prejudice it can be indicted again, but it is subject to the statute of limitations, most of which will have run by then.

 

[blueharvest]

Dems responded too late. They should've gone for the throat of these attacks immediately.

Dems play too nice, it's time they get a brawler who isn't afraid to get dirty on a ticket.

I wish for a more Left ticket but honestly it seems like it has to be Newsome. He is smart, articulate, charismatic, and isn't afraid to go on Fox news and embarrass conservatives.

I'd also say Pete Buttigieg would be a good choice, too.

 

[Babillygunn]

Dems responded too late. They should've gone for the throat of these attacks immediately.

Dems play too nice, it's time they get a brawler who isn't afraid to get dirty on a ticket.

I wish for a more Left ticket but honestly it seems like it has to be Newsome. He is smart, articulate, charismatic, and isn't afraid to go on Fox news and embarrass conservatives.

Beshear is probably a better call than Newsome simply because Beshear has a much better record in a deep-red state.

 

[Babillygunn]

I just hope that America is having elections 4 years from now.

 

[Kon]

This column perfectly encapsulates my feelings regarding the election.

I am not surprised that an ad that attacked Harris for tax payer funded sex change operations for criminals, transsexual participation in female sports and gender neutral pronoun use would resonate. You wouldn’t know it from posts in the Hype political forums, but these are not issues supported by moderate voters. Not responding to Trump’s successful efforts to paint her as an extreme leftie was the one major mistake from Harris imo.


I’m sure the Teamsters will do well under Trump and Elon. Leopards, faces, yada, yada, yada.

Is it true that Harris supported tax payed funded sex change operation for criminals? I didn't hear of this until now.

California has just voted for prisoners to continue forced labor. So, there would be a strong dissynchrony.

 

[Kon]

Dems responded too late. They should've gone for the throat of these attacks immediately.

Dems play too nice, it's time they get a brawler who isn't afraid to get dirty on a ticket.

I wish for a more Left ticket but honestly it seems like it has to be Newsome. He is smart, articulate, charismatic, and isn't afraid to go on Fox news and embarrass conservatives.

What Democrats should have say? Democrats couldn't totally deny these attacks because they fear to look like bigots.

I guess they could attack Republicans, but this would hardly call attention. Republicans attacks on Democrats are jointly attacks on minorities, that's why they are so effective.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I just hope that America is having elections 4 years from now.

I'm hoping there is an America, 4 years from now.

But then I'm also feeling like Usher now though, let it burn.

 

[blueharvest]

After 248 years, America prepares for life under a king | Will Bunch

With billionaires on bended knee and criminal charges vanishing, America's strongman era begins. How can you react?

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[AndrewGilkison]

Two term Dems Clinton & Obama hung out with rich celebrities and billionaires. It’s a necessary evil, those campaigns don’t pay for themselves! But they kept the support of the working class and I strongly doubt a statistically significant portion of the electorate changed their vote due to the former owner of the Mavs and/or Ms. Swift.

I’m not saying the Democratic Party doesn’t suck, because it ABSOLUTELY does. But that doesn’t explain what just happened. Kamala was a quality candidate and she did a fantastic job despite being thrust into an extremely challenging situation. But the US electorate chose Donald Trump after January 6, the moral equivalent of voting for Bin Laden after 9/11. This one’s on them.

So are we going to blame everything on racism and sexism?

Harris basically copied and pasted Hillary Clinton's failed 2016 campaign (except even worse, Hillary actually won the popular vote). How is that a "fantastic job"?

Yes, she was in a tough position. But she made it even harder on herself. This is one example.

Harris campaigned more with Republican warmonger Liz Cheney than with any other ally and more with billionaire Mark Cuban — who insisted to the public she wasn’t serious about some of her populist economic proposals — than with union leader Shawn Fain. This was all while courting big business and toying with firing Biden’s high-profile anti-monopoly enforcer who they hate.


Maybe most egregious, Harris seemingly refused to run on the broadly popular $15 minimum wage hike that had been a big part of Biden’s winning 2020 platform. For weeks, she wouldn’t say how much she would raise the wage by, she never brought it up in the debate and other major televised appearances, and she only officially adopted the now outdated $15-an-hour figure three weeks before voting. In thirty-five public events between the day she officially took up the position, October 22, and November 4, Harris mentioned the policy exactly twice: both times in Nevada and without mentioning a dollar figure. It didn’t feature as a top message in her Facebook advertising, it wasn’t in her final ad blitz, and it certainly didn’t appear in any of the ads I personally saw while in the battleground state of North Carolina over the weekend.


This decision likely cost her. Voters in Trump-voting Missouri and Alaska have approved or are on the way to approving ballot measures raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour and instituting paid sick leave (another popular measure Harris declined to run on).

Clearly, "at least I am not Trump" was not enough of a campaign to run on, and that is all Harris seemed to have to offer. How is that a "fantastic job"?

 

[Punisher_MAX]

So are we going to blame everything on racism and sexism?

Harris basically copied and pasted Hillary Clinton's failed 2016 campaign (except even worse, Hillary actually won the popular vote). How is that a "fantastic job"?

Yes, she was in a tough position. But she made it even harder on herself. This is one example.



Clearly, "at least I am not Trump" was not enough of a campaign to run on, and that is all Harris seemed to have to offer. How is that a "fantastic job"?

Trump won the popular vote with about the same amount of Repulibcans showing up, wasn't a huge wave or jump.

Harris had much less Democrats come out and vote.

I'm sorry but the Dems sitting home are to blame.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think Republicans have made serious advancements in the culture war.

The FDR approach is the best way forward. Focus on working class prosperity then once whites feel secure you can expect empathy for others.

But fascist draw power from a struggling white working class.

I think Biden knew but was stymied by Sinema and Manchin.

 

[Ironfan72]

Trump won the popular vote with about the same amount of Repulibcans showing up, wasn't a huge wave or jump.

Harris had much less Democrats come out and vote.

I'm sorry but the Dems sitting home are to blame.

Absolutely the democrats are to blame, his numbers were the same or less than 2020 and Biden beat him soundly this time typical democrat apathy, they stayed home, knowing full well what a 2nd Trump term would mean and they didnt care, apparently harris didnt do it for them, so they will have to face the future because once again democrats couldnt stay united when it mattered the most and maybe they deserve what will happen now.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Trump won the popular vote with about the same amount of Repulibcans showing up, wasn't a huge wave or jump.

Harris had much less Democrats come out and vote.

I'm sorry but the Dems sitting home are to blame.

I don't know one democrat who stayed home. In fact, more in my circle saw the urgency and were fighting hard for Kamala.

Anecdotal, I know, but the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

 

[Herofan]

I've seen some commentary that Kamala Harris just didn't distance herself enough from Biden, when a lot of people wanted change, so Biden should have dropped out a lot earlier to allow her or someone else to do so during primary run.

I really don't see how any candidate/nominee can put a lot of distance and difference from incumbent President, nominee and winner from last time, still either leader or close second leader of the party, that could have been even worse if candidates trying to distance, create own brand for whole year and half of Biden's presidency (unless they mean distance on just a few pretty specific issues not really generally). Unless an incumbent steps aside for really personal reasons like age or health, hard to see how not going with him does suggest pretty big failure for whole party including new candidate.

For next time, especially if Trump does either OK or terribly with the economy, a candidate with a background of success in business could be a good idea, not just trying to buy the position while having no experience in government like Steyer but someone with both. Something like Bloomberg's biography could be a decent biography/background if not for that he was an ex-Republican who governed for years as Republican. Military service can also be a big advantage.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

I don't know one democrat who stayed home. In fact, more in my circle saw the urgency and were fighting hard for Kamala.

Anecdotal, I know, but the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Yea, something doesn't add up here. I've seen some very plausible theories regarding Israeli interference, as well as the GOP having broken the voting machine code. When you hear Trump say "we don't need the votes" and Musk is claiming you can change just one line of code. Something isn't right here when all the down ballot blue wins don't align with a choice at the top.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I don't know one democrat who stayed home. In fact, more in my circle saw the urgency and were fighting hard for Kamala.

Anecdotal, I know, but the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Same here, but the numbers show differently. Trump won with about the same number of Republican votes while Harris had a massive drop off from 2020. Why?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I've seen some commentary that Kamala Harris just didn't distance herself enough from Biden, when a lot of people wanted change, so Biden should have dropped out a lot earlier to allow her or someone else to do so during primary run.

I really don't see how any candidate/nominee can put a lot of distance and difference from incumbent President, nominee and winner from last time, still either leader or close second leader of the party, that could have been even worse if candidates trying to distance, create own brand for whole year and half of Biden's presidency (unless they mean distance on just a few pretty specific issues not really generally). Unless an incumbent steps aside for really personal reasons like age or health, hard to see how not going with him does suggest pretty big failure for whole party including new candidate.

For next time, especially if Trump does either OK or terribly with the economy, a candidate with a background of success in business could be a good idea, not just trying to buy the position while having no experience in government like Steyer but someone with both. Something like Bloomberg's biography could be a decent biography/background if not for that he was an ex-Republican who governed for years as Republican. Military service can also be a big advantage.

Bloomberg is/was terrible.

Pro-police state with sex abuse allegations and zero empathy for the working class.

He's another DINO like Manchin.

 

[Ironfan72]

Same here, but the numbers show differently. Trump won with about the same number of Republican votes while Harris had a massive drop off from 2020. Why?

I busted my butt getting people to vote for Kamala. I contributed 7 times to her and Bidens campaign, which i typically dont do. I do know several who voted for Trump, but they are diehard republicans who always vote republican no matter who it is, but i personally know of 11 to 12 people who voted for Kamala, i even converted a day of election undecided to vote for her, yet the numbers say 15 million less democrats voted in an election we were told over and over was the single most important one not to miss, so where did they all go?

 

[squeekness]

Is it possible for these charges being dropped to be charged again after 4 years ? Just curious what they can charge him with after he is done with his second term

It's already being spoken of. Jack Smith said he would be "winding down" his case which probably means "paused" . In four years Trump will probably be dead so it's pointless.

 

[squeekness]

Yep. Hope you like big storms and no FEMA, America.

 

[Ironfan72]

It's already being spoken of. Jack Smith said he would be "winding down" his case which probably means "paused" . In four years Trump will probably be dead so it's pointless.

Trump says he will fire Jack Smith on day one, all the federal charges will be dropped, and nothing will come from the state charges, so Trump will come out of this scot free.

 

[Ironfan72]

Yep. Hope you like big storms and no FEMA, America.

FEMA and th department of education are on the chopping block, Trump as already said he is eliminating both

 

[Another_Fool]

Heh I put in my early vote early last week was on a Disney cruise since Tuesday and yeahhhh. Had no access to internet but was able to find out via ABC on the ship on Wednesday morning who won. Really put a damper on my trip (which I was aware may be the case) and yeah man.

It's times like these I wish this election happened when I was single so it would be easier to ignore these next (hopefully only) 4 years. It's a lot more upsetting when I got kids and we got a guy who will idiotically put someone like Betsy DeVos in charge of Education. And maybe he'll put someone in even more incompetent in the role that will now directly affect my kids' education.

 

[squeekness]

Heh I put in my early vote early last week was on a Disney cruise since Tuesday and yeahhhh. Had no access to internet but was able to find out via ABC on the ship on Wednesday morning who won. Really put a damper on my trip (which I was aware may be the case) and yeah man.

It's times like these I wish this election happened when I was single so it would be easier to ignore these next (hopefully only) 4 years. It's a lot more upsetting when I got kids and we got a guy who will idiotically put someone like Betsy DeVos in charge of Education. And maybe he'll put someone in even more incompetent in the role that will now directly affect my kids' education.

I never voted when I was young either. Funny how you realize how important things are when you have something to lose.

 

[BoredGuy]

Wanted to share a song I wrote :

Spoiler

We’re gathered here today
To mourn a fallen friend
Killed by greed and a gullibility
And sad indifference

She lived the hardest life
Of neglect and of abuse
She tried to persevere
But she never got to choose

“She was asking for it” or did we?
The perpetrators plain to see

It’s a Eulogy
A Eulogy
Too little too late, but what else can we say
But a Eulogy

In the end we watched her bleed out
While millions cheered it on
Never knowing what we lost
Until the day that she was gone

She reaped what we sowed
The horrors been endured
The result is all our own
A faded future now secured

“She was asking for it” or did we?
The suspects standing next to me

It’s a Eulogy
A Eulogy
Too little too late, but what else can we say
But a Eulogy

In an alley late at night or on Epstein’s little isle
in the darkened countryside or an insurrection trial
She fought and screamed and clawed
And the incel crows emphatically cawed

It’s a Eulogy
A Eulogy
Too little too late, but what else can we say
But a Eulogy