🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[samsnee]

14 kids who expected adults to look out and protect them but instead are now dead.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

CNN - 'Active shooter' incidents jumped more than 50% last year, FBI report finds


Their idea is always about selling more guns and ammo and putting more in danger through gun negligence.

Mass shootings happen everywhere, not just at schools.

Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law (2021)

Guns laws have become more lax over the past 10 years, not the opposite.

Houston Chronicle - Trump returning to Houston May 27 for NRA convention

Trump will be part of a slate of speakers on May 27 at the George R. Brown Convention Center. Gov. Greg Abbott, State Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn and U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw are also scheduled to speak to the NRA Institute for Legislative Action Leadership Forum.

Of course.


Yeah well your attempted witchcraft or sorcery that you call prayer doesn't matter one wit except make some people feel good about themselves and for purely performative reasons by others.

 

[samsnee]

Because prayers don’t do sh*t, Ted

 

[mclay18]

Anger and sadness. Rinse and repeat. Another day in America that is supposedly free.

All the more reason to vote Republicans like Abbott out of office in November.

If your children are not "safe" in a red state they're not safe anywhere with lax gun laws.

 

[Sithborg]

[existential screaming]

 

[Marvolo]

CNN - 'Active shooter' incidents jumped more than 50% last year, FBI report finds


Their idea is always about selling more guns and ammo and putting more in danger through gun negligence.

Mass shootings happen everywhere, not just at schools.

Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law (2021)

Guns laws have become more lax over the past 10 years, not the opposite.

Houston Chronicle - Trump returning to Houston May 27 for NRA convention

Of course.


Yeah well your attempted witchcraft or sorcery that you call prayer doesn't matter one wit except make some people feel good about themselves and for purely performative reasons by others.

I cant speak for God, but a central idea of Christianity is that God is the Father. Well, a good father knows that you only indulge a child's willfull ignorance to a point. You have to let them learn to help themselves. Maybe God does intervene and sway some would be killers to not commit murder and violence. Maybe He gives a nudge in the right direction when noone else is there to do it. Idk. But what I do know is we are capable of reducing the number of mass shootings. We know what we need to do. We can't refuse to act or refuse to intervene and then run to our Father and expect Him to do everything for us.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The Republicans are so pro life that they want to ban abortion in order to protect fetuses, but when it comes to actual human lives they are quiet and turn a blind eye all to protect their lovely guns. Bunch of clowns

 

[Holy Slapper]

Because prayers don’t do sh*t, Ted

Also, there's no such thing as a telepath, so what's the point of sending "thoughts"?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Death toll from the shooting is now at least 19 according to CNN.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

“good guys with guns”

 

[C. Lee]

 

[Sithborg]

The criminal Texas AG who says we can't trust teachers to teach says we can trust them with guns in the classroom.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[samsnee]

“good guys with guns”

The Buffalo shooter had body armor as well.

 

[samsnee]

“Harden these targets so there’s only one entrance”. So that way everyone is trapped inside like sitting ducks bc there’s only one way out

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

They can't even yell about the gun rights when it comes to body armor. There's even less legal reason not to regulate the hell out of it.

NPR - Body armor, worn by the Buffalo shooter, faces far fewer regulations than guns

When an 18-year-old man stepped into a Buffalo grocery store last Saturday with an AR-15-style rifle, the store's security guard tried to stop the shooting by firing his own weapon back at the shooter.

But the security guard's fire was stopped by the shooter's body armor, authorities say. Then, the shooter shot and killed the guard, Aaron Salter.

"The security guard that was killed was a retired Buffalo police lieutenant. [He] engaged the shooter, who was wearing tactical gear and body armor. [He] did shoot and hit the suspect, but it did not penetrate the body armor," said Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown in an interview with NPR.

The Buffalo shooter's decision to wear body armor makes him the latest mass shooter in recent years to do so, following high-profile cases in Colorado, Texas and California.

In the U.S., body armor is subject to far fewer restrictions nationwide than guns. Its use in mass shootings has ticked up in recent years, experts say, raising questions about the equipment's accessibility and fears about the deadliness of such shootings, if police are unable to use deadly force to stop them.

 

[Sawyer]

Honestly? At this point? I don’t even want “common sense gun laws” anymore. The time for placating these people has passed.

Take the ****ing guns. Take em all.

If your reaction to any talk of gun control in the wake of a mass shooting is to fly into that “tHey’Re cOmINg for mAH gUNs!” hysteria and cling to the second amendment, then what you’re saying is that every single one of these deaths is worth it just so long as your gun ownership is not inconvenienced in the slightest. That’s sociopath **** and that’s someone who shouldn’t be anywhere NEAR a firearm.

 

[Sithborg]

The fact that the NRA hasn't cancelled their Texas convention this weekend (where all guns are banned, because Trump is there, and the Secret Service gets twitchy about that).

Cornyn seems to have enough sense to cancel. Lets see if Cancun Cruz and Abbott and Paxton follow suit.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Gun Violence Archive - population density

CNN - 'Active shooter' incidents jumped more than 50% last year, FBI report finds

The New England Journal of Medicine - Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States
May 19, 2022

If we can make the roads and vehicles more safe we need to be able to get the numbers down for firearm deaths as well.

Manchin and the Republicans love the filibuster* more than they hate dead Americans from firearms.

Business Insider - Joe Manchin won't budge on the Senate filibuster after at least 18 children were killed in a Texas school shooting

• Manchin didn't let up in his opposition to scrapping the filibuster.
• "The filibuster is the only thing that prevents us from total insanity," he told reporters.
• Democrats stepped up calls to address gun violence after a deadly elementary school shooting in Texas.

* despite its already over a hundred exceptions including the recent debt ceiling carveout

 

[BrollySupersj]

Honestly? At this point? I don’t even want “common sense gun laws” anymore. The time for placating these people has passed.

Take the ****ing guns. Take em all.

If your reaction to any talk of gun control in the wake of a mass shooting is to fly into that “tHey’Re cOmINg for mAH gUNs!” hysteria and cling to the second amendment, then what you’re saying is that every single one of these deaths is worth it just so long as your gun ownership is not inconvenienced in the slightest. That’s sociopath **** and that’s someone who shouldn’t be anywhere NEAR a firearm.

I have trouble figuring out what my true stance on guns is. I am in favor of all kinds of new regulation. Expanded background checks, you name it. But to get rid of them....I don't know. And primarily for two reasons, hunting and self defense.

I don't buy into keeping guns as a defense against a tyrannical government because an AR-15 is not going to protect you from say....the full might of the US military. We are hopelessly outmatched there.

But to keep yourself save from intruders, or hunting for your own food, for that I feel guns can stay. But I don't know. I'm conflicted.

 

[OB12]

I have trouble figuring out what my true stance on guns is. I am in favor of all kinds of new regulation. Expanded background checks, you name it. But to get rid of them....I don't know. And primarily for two reasons, hunting and self defense.

I don't buy into keeping guns as a defense against a tyrannical government because an AR-15 is not going to protect you from say....the full might of the US military. We are hopelessly outmatched there.

But to keep yourself save from intruders, or hunting for your own food, for that I feel guns can stay. But I don't know. I'm conflicted.

The whole self-defense angle has always been a weird one to me. I mean if you think of all of the independent events that have to happen for you to successfully use a weapon for this purpose, the probability is so low that it is not even worth worrying about.

 

[Mike5575]

The fact that the NRA hasn't cancelled their Texas convention this weekend (where all guns are banned, because Trump is there, and the Secret Service gets twitchy about that).

Cornyn seems to have enough sense to cancel. Lets see if Cancun Cruz and Abbott and Paxton follow suit.

This isn't even remotely true. It was the Secret Service, not the Nra that banned guns during a March 2018 convention.

Did the NRA Ban Guns at Their Own Leadership Forum?

 

[Babillygunn]

I cant speak for God, but a central idea of Christianity is that God is the Father. Well, a good father knows that you only indulge a child's willfull ignorance to a point. You have to let them learn to help themselves. Maybe God does intervene and sway some would be killers to not commit murder and violence. Maybe He gives a nudge in the right direction when noone else is there to do it. Idk. But what I do know is we are capable of reducing the number of mass shootings. We know what we need to do. We can't refuse to act or refuse to intervene and then run to our Father and expect Him to do everything for us.

Excellent post. I’m a Christian. And while I think prayer does help, it doesn’t undo the fact that 19 children are dead who should still be alive. Prayer might help comfort, but it is not an excuse for not protecting them on the front end. If the republicans want to engage in a spiritual discussion, then let’s be honest: the willful failure to provide children with a safe environment is sinful. And prayer after the fact does not eliminate that sinful behavior. That’s on them.

 

[Zarex]

Honestly? At this point? I don’t even want “common sense gun laws” anymore. The time for placating these people has passed.

Take the ****ing guns. Take em all.

If your reaction to any talk of gun control in the wake of a mass shooting is to fly into that “tHey’Re cOmINg for mAH gUNs!” hysteria and cling to the second amendment, then what you’re saying is that every single one of these deaths is worth it just so long as your gun ownership is not inconvenienced in the slightest. That’s sociopath **** and that’s someone who shouldn’t be anywhere NEAR a firearm.

I don't disagree, but we don't need to quite go that far. Common sense gun regulations that don't impede the ability of people to hold firearms has been proven to work. Most of the states that have imposed reasonable regulations, such as licensing, have far lower rates of gun violence. I live in Massachusetts, which is one of the states that have imposed sensible gun laws. Unfortunately, civilized states like mine can still fall victim to guns flowing in from the garbage states.

I looked for a state that’s taking gun violence seriously. I found Massachusetts.
States with weaker gun laws have higher rates of firearm related homicides and suicides, study finds - CNN

 

[MagnarTheGreat]