Discussion of Anarchism

ShadowBoxing said:
Anarchy is not easily definable that is for sure.:)
What is the problem or difficulty with:

1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : [SIZE=-1]DISORDER[/SIZE] <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature -- Israel Shenker>

I, lol, I don't even, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, lol.
Should I exPlain those definitions to you? :confused:
 
Article time again :)

Why Government Must Be Abolished
by Brad Edmonds



Readers frequently fail to recognize my fundamental position, and are shocked when I say such things as "the US Constitution is an irrelevant, ineffective mistake" and "no, we shouldn’t be bombing villages in Iraq and Afghanistan." Readers sometimes accuse me of being a communist of one sort or another when I say something contrary to their Republican Party or neo-conservative assumptions.

First, one thing needs to be made clear: Republican representative democracy is not the opposite of communism. Under our system of government in the US, everyone is encouraged to vote for what he wants. Then, government aims its guns at the minority who didn’t agree with the majority, and forces the minority to pay money (or do more) to support the outcome they didn’t want. This is a perversion of justice. It is fundamentally wrong. Even in our early days, when senators to the US Congress were not popularly elected, but were appointed by state legislatures (therefore, ostensibly, appointed by the best and brightest), our form of government was just a dressed-up version of mob rule.

The real opposite of communism is anarcho-capitalism, under which there is no forcible government, and no adult is ever forced to do anything he doesn’t agree to. This extends even to criminal justice. The empirical data supporting my claim that this sort of civilization would be more peaceful and prosperous than anything we could forcibly impose spans every year of recorded history, and is found in every civilization we can name. For empirical evidence, I refer the reader to anything he can find on LewRockwell.com, Mises.org, and Amazon.com, searching for authors Lew Rockwell, Mary Ruwart, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, and Bruce Benson. If you follow my advice here, and read everything you can find by those authors, in six months you’ll have a new library, a mountain of empirical evidence to refer to, and a conviction that forcible government must be abolished.

In the meantime, the terse reasoning why government must be abolished needs only two supporting statements: Forcible government is a moral wrong, and forcible government is always a practical failure.

Forcible Government is Morally Wrong

For traditional, forcible government to accomplish anything, it first must tax. This requires stealing, at gunpoint, money (property) from everyone under its rule – even the people who don’t want done what the government is going to do. This is theft. There is no more fitting term for it. Government gets away with this, first because it has more guns than any individual it’s taxing; and second because the population has usually been convinced, lately through years of government schooling, that such stealing is necessary for civilization.

Hand-wringing philosophers are invited to write me to disagree, but I hold that it’s self-evident that there is no good act that can be performed that requires first the commission of an evil act. As an example, "killing the few to save the many" has never in human history found a practical application outside war, which always involves governments imposing their wishes on each other. There is no natural emergency or shortage of resources that requires first committing evil in order to bring about a good. Bringing about a good never allows beginning with an evil.

Government Never Works

There has been found no domain of activity in which government action is as effective or efficient as solutions provided by entrepreneurs in the market. This extends obviously to schooling and medical care; even the general public knows this. It is less obvious (except to students of history) that this applies also to roads, justice, and military defense. For empirical evidence of these claims, search for the names I listed earlier.

There are two reasons government never works in practice: First, 100% of government employees operate under distorted incentives. No government employees face only the incentive to serve their customers, while 100% of entrepreneurs do.

Elected government employees have incentive only to serve the most, and this must come at the expense of the few. The way this works is for the government to steal as much as possible from the few to provide free goodies for the most.

Appointed and career bureaucrats have as their incentive expanding their territory and pleasing their bosses. If their bosses are elected – see the preceding paragraph. If their bosses are career bureaucrats, the incentive of subordinate bureaucrats is to spend all of the money in their budgets, so they can claim they need more next year. Thus, their goal is inefficiency – the opposite of what serves the customer best.

Finally, rank-and-file government employees are union members. Unions always work to serve employees, and always at the expense of customers. The only thing that is in the best interest of customers is for each employee to be judged and rewarded individually, based on how well the customer is served. Unions work to the opposite goal, always striving for greater rewards for lesser work. This is what the union members pay their dues to accomplish.

The second reason government never works is its creation of laws that are applied by force to an entire population. First, government laws can – almost always do – have unintended consequences: Minimum wage laws always result in higher unemployment and crime; "equal employment opportunity" laws always result in people being hired based on the color of their skin more than the content of their character; the Americans with Disabilities Act has resulted in workplace mass murders, usually at US Post Offices; and so on.

Second, government laws are always used to advantage by those who have an incentive to do wrong. As one example, polluters are allowed to pollute to certain levels by the EPA. Thus, polluters have no legal responsibility to landowners whose wildlife they’ve killed, as long as the polluters can prove they’re within legal guidelines. If people had true property rights, people could seek restitution based on damage done, not based on whether laws were obeyed. Under present circumstances, lawsuits are won and lost only on whether laws were obeyed; damage done is irrelevant. As another example, Enron used accounting and reporting laws to legally hide losses on the balance sheets of other companies in which they had part ownership. Enron also used campaign contributions to buy the favor, and silence, of US legislators. It was the stock market that first broke the news that Enron had problems.

Third, government laws invariably create losers by creating win/lose scenarios when the unfettered market creates win/win scenarios. All government laws select winners and losers, except criminal laws, which make everyone a loser. Under forcible government, criminals usually come out of the system worse off than when they entered, and victims are forced at gunpoint to pay for the criminals’ upkeep in the meantime; at the same time, victims have little claim to restitution. I mentioned environmental laws, which make partial winners of polluters and complete losers of everyone else. Name the law of your choosing, and you can identify the loser immediately.

So that’s my stance. Do not confuse a lack of respect for the US Constitution, for the Pledge of Allegiance, or for American pre-emptive wars, with communism. Both the American system of government and old-fashioned Soviet communism have at their root the same mechanism: Lethal force applied to an entire population to provide the government what it wants without the government being required to live up to any promises of recompense.

That forcible government is a moral wrong in itself is enough reason to abolish it, even if market solutions were not an improvement. That market solutions are always better – more efficient, more peaceful, more just, more productive of wealth – should be all it takes to convince even die-hard statists that all governments should be abolished. It’s too bad statists are blinded by their personal incentives.
 
But what is the point of that?
It's like saying, "Life would be more fun if no one ever killed anyone ever again."
....mmmtrue....but, it'll never happen in a trillion quadrillion years.

Are you hoping to see a global shift toward anarcho-capitalism, or is it just, "Let's pine away and dream of better things.", like when I write essays on how much cooler The Thing would've looked if he'd been all-CGI?
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
But what is the point of that?
It's like saying, "Life would be more fun if no one ever killed anyone ever again."
....mmmtrue....but, it'll never happen in a trillion quadrillion years.


true... but just because it'll never happen doesn't mean that you then have to believe that killing is okay.

People who oppose anarchy usually attack a straw man with utilitarian arguments like it won't work or the government is necessary, but anarchy is an ethical view. To be an anarchist doesn't necessarily mean that you think anarchy can be acheived, it means that you believe aggression is wrong and governments, by their very nature, use aggression.

Just because you believe that we will never completely get rid of crime doesn't mean you have to accept crime as "ok"
 
i think it's achievable. you just have to wait for everyone who couldn't be an anarchist to die. or just walk off and do your own harmless thing.

also it's better to discuss ideas that could pertain to the future than ones that pertain to the past.
 
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]addressing objections to the above article --[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Why Abolishing Government Would Not Bring Chaos[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Brad Edmonds[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]I wrote recently that government should be abolished. Among the responses to the article were objections of the sort shared by most who encounter for the first time the prospect of living without forcible government. The most common objections are fundamentally similar to each other: Violence would rule the day; corporations would run over us little people; foreign governments would invade; big neighborhoods would pillage small neighborhoods; etc. The books I linked in the previous article answer these objections, but since most of us (myself included) might not buy a book online – and then be sure to read it – every single time we surf the net, I’ll address those objections briefly here, and provide links to online articles wherever possible. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The pervasiveness of these objections makes it worth addressing them, as does the fact that it seems counterintuitive to assert that abolishing government would bring more peace, security, and abundance – just as it seems counterintuitive that the way to reduce gun violence is to allow everybody to own guns.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Police[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Without government, you still must deal with local criminals. Most people believe you need government police departments to do this, else the nation would become a violent jungle.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mary Ruwart, in her book, documents examples of private police departments in the US. These agencies charge subscription fees and provide patrol services. In each case, the private police cost substantially less than the government police yet produce significant decreases in crime by, among other things, patrolling more often and actually checking the doors and windows of homes when there is no one there. In other words, the private policemen work all day instead of driving around intimidating innocent drivers or sitting in donut shops and speed traps. In some cases Ruwart recounts, local governments have forcibly shut down the private police and replaced them with government police. Crime and cost both increased dramatically thereafter.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]There are private security forces providing neighborhood and town security around the nation, and they are effective and affordable. Why would someone start up a private police force? For the same reasons you’d open a dentist’s or marriage-counseling office: To provide a valued service while making a profit. Abolishing government police would produce entrepreneurs who would compete with each other to do the best job for the lowest cost while making a profit. We already have these entrepreneurs wherever government allows them, and they have arisen because government police are ineffective while residents are willing to pay for good service, just as we pay for cable television even though we get the major networks over the air. Most importantly, a private police force that destroyed property and harmed innocent people would go out of business in a hurry, with the responsible individuals sued and jailed. In other words, the agency would be contractually bound to perform. The market provides – enforces – incentives for businesses to do what’s good for customers (a.k.a. society), and this applies to every good or service – roads, medicine, plumbing, underwear. Such pressure cannot be applied to government police.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Military[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What about foreign governments observing a prosperous anarcho-capitalist society, and deciding to invade? Don’t we need a military, funded by tax dollars, to defend us from aggressors? Hans-Hermann Hoppe has discussed this question at length: Already, large insurance companies have the financial resources, the incentive, and the general business skills to provide for regional defense. As customers, we would have the option to pay a little more in homeowner’s insurance, and be able to make a claim in the case of lost property or personal harm resulting from foreign invasion. It is good for private insurers to provide "military," or regional, defense: Insurers can be sued and/or driven out of business by customers if the insurers do a bad job by either failing to keep their promises, or by hurting innocent people in an attempt to keep their promises. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It gets better: Extensive historical experience shows that private militaries have incentive to kill as few of the enemy, and destroy as little of their property, as possible, while there is still incentive to defeat the enemy. This is covered in detail in the new book edited by Hoppe, The Myth of National Defense, which discusses the problems with government defense, of course, but doesn’t stop there; there are numerous historical examples of the superiority of private defense. Further, insurers would never have incentive to initiate war – the insurers would have to pay for it out of reserves, or raise customer’s prices (while customers can change insurers); and insurers would have to pay restitution and penalties to each victim of "collateral damage." Notably, though insurance companies already are capable of developing a powerful regional defensive deterrent, history has shown that they would have less need to worry about foreign invasion if more of us are armed, and we would be in the absence of government gun control laws. (Insurers probably would offer lower premiums to gun owners to encourage widespread gun ownership.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]A side note: As the loon Ross Perot suggested by personally outperforming the US Army in Iran, insurers wouldn’t even have to maintain their own defense forces. A market of private defense forces of varying sizes and specialties would develop. And as is the case with private security agencies today (as in 99.1% of the occasions a law-abiding individual draws a gun to stop a crime), private defense forces would rarely need to fire a shot.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Corporations[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]As to the haves running roughshod over the have-nots, history is again our guide. As Mary Ruwart discusses in detail, one famous example is Standard Oil, believed by many today to have been a stronger monopoly than Microsoft. Standard Oil became a near-monopoly by bringing down the price – from 58 cents to 8 cents (!) per gallon – at which it could sell kerosene to the consumer. Very soon, oil companies around the world matched Standard’s efficiency. Rockefeller then resorted to underhanded tactics to sustain monopoly power in the US (which he never really had; even at its peak, Standard had competitors who were constantly reducing their own costs and prices, though they were usually a step behind). The only efforts that had any effect were his activism in getting enacted laws that would hamstring the competition. By the way, Microsoft’s share of the operating-system market has been decreasing steadily to Apple, Linux, and others, and was decreasing even before the big government antitrust attack.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]As to public safety against greedy corporations, Ruwart reminds us that before the FDA and its approval requirements, women’s magazines routinely ran articles detailing the side effects of drugs on the market. Many private consumer-interest agencies exist today, even though government is supposedly doing the job for us. You can subscribe to Consumer Reports yourself for information on product safety and reliability. Entrepreneurs always arise to take care of social needs, and they always do it faster, more effectively, and at a lower cost than government. Entrepreneurs don’t enjoy the sovereign immunity government enjoys, so they are always required by their customers to live up to their promises, and the only people ever charged for their services are the ones who come to them freely, offering money.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Without government licensing, trade restrictions, centrally-imposed regulations, and other barriers to entrepreneurs, there would be more companies able to offer services, not fewer; and any innovator who approached monopoly power would enjoy profits that attract intense competition. Thus, any firm that approaches monopoly power and profits in a free market produces the seeds of its own downsizing. No firm can approach monopoly power unless everybody wants that firm’s product at the price the firm offers. And no powerful corporation will ever be free from the continuous, nagging oversight of customers and consumer-interest agencies.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Justice[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]There would still be crime in the absence of forcible government, but it would be far less frequent without gun laws, as John Lott has shown using data from every county in the US for the last 100 years or so. Since there are always some evil people, we would need a court system. Bruce Benson (read a few of the papers at his web page, and scroll down on this link for a start on his books) has written extensively on the topic of private justice, showing examples of actual practice to demonstrate that not only are such systems less expensive, more effective, and more available to us than government justice, but that incentives to commit crimes decrease with private courts and police. Additionally, recidivism and violence among inmates decrease under private penal systems. Private penal systems produce profits, produce restitution for victims, and can produce earnings, sometimes substantial ones, for convicts – no taxation required. Such systems are in use in the US right now. Benson also addresses the greater fairness of private courts, again using historical examples. None of this should be surprising: Anyone whose income depends on satisfying customers has a strong incentive to do good by them; government employees lack this incentive. Private courts must, over time, impress all their customers – winners and losers – with their fairness.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]And since everything about an anarcho-capitalist society is voluntary, a convicted criminal would be able to choose from among various private prisons (choosing the one with the best living conditions, or the one that would produce the greatest income given his skills, thereby shortening his incarceration), or simply ignore the court’s verdict. What about a convicted criminal who refuses to go to prison or make restitution to his victims? As Benson shows, historically in societies that allow criminals to ignore their convictions, such persons have been considered "outside the law." The victim’s insurer might then forcibly confiscate some or all of a convict’s property to pay court costs and make restitution to the victim.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Insurers wouldn’t do this lightly, as private appeals courts would be available to the convict, and insurance companies forcibly confiscating property (as when forcibly defending it) would be held responsible for any errors. Watchdog consumer agencies, such as we already have, would publicize insurers’ mistakes. In the US today, many people who have property confiscated by the government and are later found innocent wait years to have their property returned, often damaged; and sometimes the government charges the acquitted party for storage. An insurer, by contrast, would have to make full restitution for an error, and would pay compensatory and punitive penalties as well.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]And whenever such a company might face customer pressure to use coercion, you can be sure that that pressure would be matched by market pressure not to use coercion. Insurers representing opposing parties would tend to work between themselves first, out of court. In a free society, businesses simply don’t have incentives to resort to violence.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The assumption that people are basically good[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Remaining are the "human nature" objections to freedom from forcible government. A common protest is that a completely free market requires that "people are basically good." This is not correct; to the contrary, what makes a market work is that people are self-interested. In every field of endeavor outside government, producers must attract and keep customers. They can do this only by pleasing customers, inducing them to purchase from them when the customers are free to purchase from someone else. Humans already are self-interested, and want to be pleased. Hence, the market is a 24/7 watchdog with 280 million pairs of eyes and ears. Each one of those 280 million customers earns less money than he wants to, and therefore makes purchases in a discriminating fashion. This applies to customers of private police forces and insurance agencies who provide coverage against natural disasters, foreign invasions, etc., just as it applies to customers who buy shoes. Everybody watches everybody else by demanding good products and services at reasonable prices – you already do this every day – and everybody has greater and more affordable recourse against frauds and unethical manufacturers when private justice is available.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Establishing all these private systems is easy: Entrepreneurs do all the difficult and risky business-development work for you, while you just keep on living, making decisions in your own best interest the way you always have. That’s how you already do the critical, governing work of deciding which solutions, entrepreneurs, and firms survive and which ones fail.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Utopia[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]So, is anarcho-capitalism (that’s really just another name for liberty) utopian? Of course not; much of what is attractive about the absence of forcible government is how the market handles the conflicts that any adult knows are inevitable. Anarcho-capitalism is in this sense the same as any other political system. Political systems are attempts to handle conflicts. Under a truly free market, you have 280 million American minds working to handle the conflicts, voting voluntarily with their dollars for the best solutions for each of them under their own circumstances; under forcible government, you have a tiny percentage of those minds trying to handle things for everyone else, and forcing everyone else at gunpoint to accept government’s ideas of solutions.[/FONT]​
 
Utopia can never exist. nor should it. nor was it ever meant to, except as an idea.
It originated as a SATIRICAL term.

man, when people forget where words came from they can really start to **** **** up.
 
Danalys said:
i think it's achievable. you just have to wait for everyone who couldn't be an anarchist to die. or just walk off and do your own harmless thing.


like the first article I posted mentioned --

"...almost all of your daily behavior is an anarchistic expression. How you deal with your neighbors, coworkers, fellow customers in shopping malls or grocery stores, is often determined by subtle processes of negotiation and cooperation. Social pressures, unrelated to statutory enactments, influence our behavior on crowded freeways or grocery checkout lines."

"I suspect that your relationships with your friends are conducted on the same basis of mutual respect. In short, virtually all of our dealings with friends and strangers alike are grounded in practices that are peaceful, voluntary, and devoid of coercion."
 
maxwell's demon said:
Utopia can never exist. nor should it. nor was it ever meant to, except as an idea.
It originated as a SATIRICAL term.

man, when people forget where words came from they can really start to **** **** up.



from the article above

"So, is anarcho-capitalism (that’s really just another name for liberty) utopian? Of course not..."
 
What'd you have before the first Charlie Brown one, again?:huh:
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
What is the problem or difficulty with:

1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : [SIZE=-1]DISORDER[/SIZE] <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature -- Israel Shenker>

I, lol, I don't even, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, lol.
Should I exPlain those definitions to you? :confused:

Oh yes. The going to the dictionary to get your answers.

What a fool's errand.

I think if you would take a look at culture you'd realize people don't agree on the definitions of things. If they did words would always follow the exact definitions as describe by their dictionary. Truth is they don't. Even if you decided to a give a definition of "chair" you still would not be able to fit all things that were chairs and all the things that weren't under that definitions. Definitions are rudamentary at best. And with all the philosophy and debate out there words are redefined everyday. If you believe webster has any supernatural claim on knowledge I feel very bad for you.
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
Lol, I am just blown away.
It's like, is English anyone here's second language?
It's almost like dudes are struggling to find ways to misunderstand what I'm saying and to raise a fuss about a splinter while ignoring my whole log cabin.:confused:
No actually we are not.

English is just a langauge created by imperfect people, therefore it in no way can describe things fully as they are. So yes, I would hope one day English would be my second langauge since it certainly doesn't deserve to be my first.
 
when the whole log cabin has nothing to do with the arguement i'll ignore it. all that remains is the splitters nasty ones at that. often coming with terbuculosis in the form of insults. we give you a taste of your own medicine and you cry foul. you accuss us of what you do yourself.

if that is not your intension then you are bad at choosing when to reveal your intension.
 
Danalys said:
when the whole log cabin has nothing to do with the arguement i'll ignore it. all that remains is the splitters nasty ones at that. often coming with terbuculosis in the form of insults. we give you a taste of your own medicine and you cry foul. you accuss us of what you do you yourself.

if that is not your intension then you are bad at choosing when to reveal your intension.
I cannot believe he pulled out the dictionary definition on us. That is so High School/Middle School thinking. I remember the first day of my first philosophy class our Professor asked us to define "society". One kid got out his pocket webster and started to read the definition. The Professor stopped the kid and told us "anyone who ever reads me a dictionary definition here or in their papers is getting an F".....
 
ideas would remain the same, trapped in the form of the past's understanding, if we just went by the dictionary.
 
Danalys said:
ideas would remain the same, trapped in the form of the understanding of the past, if we just went by the dictionary.
Right, I like the way you put that. A dictionary only true function is to tell you words for things, or to tell you how to use the langauge. But as a method for finding out what something "is" it sucks hard.
 
Danalys said:
when the whole log cabin has nothing to do with the arguement i'll ignore it. all that remains is the splitters nasty ones at that. often coming with terbuculosis in the form of insults. we give you a taste of your own medicine and you cry foul.
not really. I lolled twice, wondered if I was on the Twilight Zone and then marvelled at your inabilities to understand what I was talking about.
LOl, now what is this splitters and tuberculosis all about? :confused: hahaha


and SB, I'm sorry, sport...you can take out your electron microscope, look at it through 3d glasses, and have such an open mind that your brain splashes all over the floor.....those definitions work great for those of us in the real worlds. :confused:

Are you honestly saying that because of the complex nature of human perception, we shouldn't even bother trying to define words, to find common combinations of vowels and consonants, the meanings of which we agree upon as language-users?:confused:
And that you are a fool to look up a word in the DICTIONARY?!? You're on a fool's errand if you look up a word in the freaking dictionary?!?

Are you really saying that Anarchy does not mean the absence of government?!? LMFAO....

Dude....
 
The problem with anarcho-captalism is your just replacing governments with pseduo governments, corporations become the new pseudo governments and they can be just as corrupt as regular governments (biggest example is Enron, but there others) by exchanging government for pseudo governments people are still at the mercy of organizations that can become corrupt, so nothing really changes.

Plus even within anarchism there is a spilt. Lackey may be an anarchistcapatlist, but I bet SuperHobo is an anarchist socialist and frankly these groups don't like eachother. Well anarchist captalist mertely wishes to abloish governemnt, an anarchist socialist goes further, wanting to abloish any kind of hierarchy, the state, private enterprise and private property, believing that once the state and private enterprise are done away with, what would emerge is a society with no elites and would just naturally be a communitarian society. So even different types of anarchists don't even get along with eachother and frankly anarchists in general tend to be disorganized, so I don't think we will see any sort of sucessiful anarchist movement any time soon.
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
not really. I lolled twice, wondered if I was on the Twilight Zone and then marvelled at your inabilities to understand what I was talking about.
LOl, now what is this splitters and tuberculosis all about? :confused: hahaha


and SB, I'm sorry, sport...you can take out your electron microscope, look at it through 3d glasses, and have such an open mind that your brain splashes all over the floor.....those definitions work great for those of us in the real worlds. :confused:

Thats why people always agree and there are never any misunderstandings :rolleyes: Because words always mean the same thing everywhere in every situation and always encompase anything.

Sit down and seriously think about the meanings of words for a second. Think about how you know something is a chair and that it is not something else.

Are you honestly saying that because of the complex nature of human perception, we shouldn't even bother trying to define words, to find common combinations of vowels and consonants, the meanings of which we agree upon as language-users?:confused:
And that you are a fool to look up a word in the DICTIONARY?!? You're on a fool's errand if you look up a word in the freaking dictionary?!?

Dude....

If you want to know what something "is" the answer is never in the dictionary.

As we said. The dictionary exists only to tell you how to USE THE LANGAUGE. However it does nothing to tell you what something is. If you have ever I don't know, read a book, you'd realize nearly every scholar starts out with a thesis which in every regard sets out to redefine pre conceived notions of things based on logical analysis and data.

Webster was just one guy, he doesn't hold anymore answers than me.

If dictionary definitions worked fine for everyone then we'd never have any progress in anything.
 

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