Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[Thundercrack85]

I grow weary of Black Lives Matters. From the get-go, it seemed like some half-assed, social media activism. There is a reason why MLK, Shuttlesworth, Abernathy, etc got so much done with their well organized, disciplined civil rights groups in the 50's and 60's. .

BLM isn't the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, it isn't even Muslim Mosque, Inc (Malcolm X's group after he left the Nation of Islam). It's a hashtag.

It's a slogan anyone can appropriate. This "movement" has no leadership, no discipline, no coherent political message beyond "racially motivated police violence is bad" and it's accomplished nothing except for getting media attention.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I grow weary of Black Lives Matters. From the get-go, it seemed like some half-assed, social media activism. There is a reason why MLK, Shuttlesworth, Abernathy, etc got so much done with their well organized, disciplined civil rights groups in the 50's and 60's. .

BLM isn't the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, it isn't even Muslim Mosque, Inc (Malcolm X's group after he left the Nation of Islam). It's a hashtag.

It's a slogan anyone can appropriate. This "movement" has no leadership, no discipline, no coherent political message beyond "racially motivated police violence is bad" and it's accomplished nothing except for getting media attention.

That's because it's a protest movement like Occupy Wall Street, and not an organization like the ones you mentioned.

 

[SuperT]

Black Lives Matter note found near police cruise firebombed outside Florida mosque

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/18/black-lives-matter-note-found-near-police-cruiser-/

I don't know if it's just me, but the way BLM has been acting in the past couple of weeks, they're just inciting more of these incidents.

LOLOL @ anyone who really thinks this was done by any one truly associated with the BLM movement. This reminds me of that old white man that reported someone spray painted "Black Lives Rule" on his driveway. He finally confessed that he made the whole thing up and did it himself.

Very convenient they found a note near a burning car that was completely untouched by the fire.

 

[Lighthouse]

I grow weary of Black Lives Matters. From the get-go, it seemed like some half-assed, social media activism. There is a reason why MLK, Shuttlesworth, Abernathy, etc got so much done with their well organized, disciplined civil rights groups in the 50's and 60's. .

BLM isn't the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, it isn't even Muslim Mosque, Inc (Malcolm X's group after he left the Nation of Islam). It's a hashtag.

It's a slogan anyone can appropriate. This "movement" has no leadership, no discipline, no coherent political message beyond "racially motivated police violence is bad" and it's accomplished nothing except for getting media attention.

To be fair, would that even be possible in the age of social media?

 

[Thundercrack85]

That's because it's a protest movement like Occupy Wall Street, and not an organization like the ones you mentioned.

Occupy Wall Street was a joke and accomplished nothing except for killing some grass in public parks.

 

[Thundercrack85]

That's because it's a protest movement like Occupy Wall Street, and not an organization like the ones you mentioned.

To be fair, would that even be possible in the age of social media?

Yes. If anything it would be easier. Instantaneous communication, multiple platforms...

 

[DeadPresident]

LOLOL @ anyone who really thinks this was done by any one truly associated with the BLM movement. This reminds me of that old white man that reported someone spray painted "Black Lives Rule" on his driveway. He finally confessed that he made the whole thing up and did it himself.

Very convenient they found a note near a burning car that was completely untouched by the fire.

The authenticity of this event is dubious at best, and likely some kind of dramatic fake, but you're getting some serious No True Scotsman going on with the remark about how nobody truly associated with BLM could've been behind something like it. Just like any faceless ideology you don't get to define what is or isn't "truly" part of anything. If Micah Johnson did what he did in the name of BLM or the sweetest, kindest old lady bakes cookies and talks to at risk teens in the name of BLM, both fall under whatever category they assume.

There's this tendency from people lately to diminish group membership so that a group can't get tarnished which needs to be called out, and it specifically tends to come from liberals.

"We are ISIS, and we identify as Muslims".

Liberals: "Now hold on, they don't really mean that, let's not jump to conclusions".

"I'm a BLM member and I want to kill all cops".

Liberals: "Whoa whoa whoa, you can't be part of BLM with that opinion, BLM is a virtuous and pacifist group".

"I'm a girl but I identify as a boy".

Liberals: "Absolutely, more power to you".

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Occupy Wall Street was a joke and accomplished nothing except for killing some grass in public parks.

I'd argue a lot of the financial reform sentiment championed by Warner, Sanders, and to a small degree, Trump stems from OWS. Protest movements draw attention to issues.

There's this tendency from people lately to diminish group membership so that a group can't get tarnished which needs to be called out, and it specifically tends to come from liberals.

"We are patriotic militias and we kill federal law enforcement"

"We are pro life activist and we kill abortion doctors"

How soon we forget.

 

[DeadPresident]

"We are patriotic militias and we kill federal law enforcement"

"We are pro life activist and we kill abortion doctors"

How soon we forget.

Nobody ran to there defense, though. Everyone is scrambling around trying to dissociate "bad" individuals from supposedly virtuous groups.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nobody ran to there defense, though. Everyone is scrambling around trying to dissociate "bad" individuals from supposedly virtuous groups.

The "mental health" defense is exactly what that is. A large part of the media paints the white gunman as the "lone wolf" with mental problems. How does that not apply here as well?

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Nobody ran to there defense, though. Everyone is scrambling around trying to dissociate "bad" individuals from supposedly virtuous groups.

You've never seen the pro-life movement distance itself pro-life terrorists?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You've never seen the pro-life movement distance itself pro-life terrorists?

Examples are awesome.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/car...-life-activists-is-typical-left-wing-tactics/

 

[Lighthouse]

Speaking of racism, holy **** Steve King! I'm so embarrassed my district elected him to office.

 

[TheCommissioner]

go take a look at Leslie Jones' Twitter TL right now and tell me "racism is over"

 

[DeadPresident]

The "mental health" defense is exactly what that is. A large part of the media paints the white gunman as the "lone wolf" with mental problems. How does that not apply here as well?

"Mental health"/"lone wolf" isn't an ideological group, that's my main point. BLM is a group that large parts of liberal society claim "is" XZY (usually whatever list of positive adjectives), which doesn't work the same way it doesn't work when people try and make a claim about what "real" Christianity/Islam/etc is. There's no individual assigned with defining the so called truth of any of these ideologies so it's futile for people to suggest a person can or can't represent that group.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

go take a look at Leslie Jones' Twitter TL right now and tell me "racism is over"

despicable.

The "mental health" defense is exactly what that is. A large part of the media paints the white gunman as the "lone wolf" with mental problems. How does that not apply here as well?

It applies to most of these mass shootings including Dallas, Baton Rouge, Smith Mountain Lake, Charleston, Orlando, Virginia Tech and the rest with the possible exception of San Bernardino although they clearly had mental health issues as well, just maybe not lone wolfs.

 

[Sawyer]

Speaking of racism, holy **** Steve King! I'm so embarrassed my district elected him to office.

Human disaster.

go take a look at Leslie Jones' Twitter TL right now and tell me "racism is over"

The thing about this is that anyone who would be affected by how she's being treated has likely already come to the realization that racism is far from over, and the people who need to take note of it will just brush it off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"Mental health"/"lone wolf" isn't an ideological group, that's my main point. BLM is a group that large parts of liberal society claim "is" XZY (usually whatever list of positive adjectives), which doesn't work the same way it doesn't work when people try and make a claim about what "real" Christianity/Islam/etc is. There's no individual assigned with defining the so called truth of any of these ideologies so it's futile for people to suggest a person can or can't represent that group.

I am confused by your point here. The "mental health/Lone wolf" is used to describe acts of terror commented by those with the ideology spewed by disgusting politicians and religious leaders in this country.

Black Lives Matter isn't a "group" with leadership or one unified voice. It is a movement started by a hashtag, that each individual chapter makes it own way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It applies to most of these mass shootings including Dallas, Baton Rouge, Smith Mountain Lake, Charleston, Orlando, Virginia Tech and the rest with the possible exception of San Bernardino although they clearly had mental health issues as well, just maybe not lone wolfs.

I agree. But that isn't how Fox News or other right wing media groups describe terrorism performed by non-white people. They are quick to separate terrorism performed by white people, where as they try and link any terroism performed by a minority to a group. Look at the Orlando shooting and these cop killings. ISIS (no tangible connection to ISIS) and BLM and other black groups (the first shooter was at least rejected by many of these groups).

 

[DeadPresident]

I am confused by your point here. The "mental health/Lone wolf" is used to describe acts of terror commented by those with the ideology spewed by disgusting politicians and religious leaders in this country.

Black Lives Matter isn't a "group" with leadership or one unified voice. It is a movement started by a hashtag, that each individual chapter makes it own way.

I think we're saying the same thing, I didn't put it explicitly but that's exactly the point I'm trying to make - BLM isn't a unified group which was why I pointed it out to SuperT. His statement (and I've seen lots of similar sentiments) presupposed BLM was a group with some kind of unified and official code of conduct, which like you say it isn't, but a lot of people seem to be treating it like it is.

 

[MadVillainy]

THe Leslie Jones thing is terrible. It's a very much a no win scenario. It's all some form of trolls doing it. If Leslie ignored them, then she wouldve probably just gone mad from the constant barrage. But when she says something she feeds the trolls and gives them the attention they want. IN fact, I'm sure some "professional trolls" (and they are out there) are now probably drawn to attacking Leslie because they want their sad anonymous lives to get attention. And if she gets off Twitter which it seems like what she's doing, they win

It's all bad.

But people need to start speaking with their wallets rather than their online comments. And that goes for many issues not just racism.

Twitter's ad revenue is affected by how many people visit or login to the site. Imagine if everyone tweeting LoveforLeslie, especially the ones with massive followings, were to stay of Twitter for some time and affect the revenue that Twitter makes from ads until Twitter changes their harassment policies? You gotta hit em in their wallets.

But people wont do that. They'll say something on Twitter or somewhere else online at most write a think piece/op-ed, but then by the end of the year this whole thing will be barely mentioned.

People say theyre against sweat shops but they still buy Nike products. People say they care about the environment but won't change anything about how they live.

It's just lazy and they aren't doing anything.

 

[Laderlappen]

Racism is certainly not over. It's honestly probably worse right now than it has been for decades. With trolls on the Internet, you just gonna have to learn to not take it seriously. It can be difficult but it's possible. It's mostly just empty insults based on anger. Not victim blaming or anything, it's awful and I feel for Leslie Jones. But arguing with them is only gonna make it worse.

 

[MadVillainy]

And the thing is saying "tell me racism doesn't exist" and posting the Leslie Jones thing is futile too. With all the evidence in the world of racism existing, this instance will do little to change people's minds

 

[chaseter]

https://mobile.***********/DMVBlackLives/status/755807855794675712

Apparently it's not in the BLM principals to bond with police.

 

[Kelly]

https://mobile.***********/DMVBlackLives/status/755807855794675712

Apparently it's not in the BLM principals to bond with police.

I think it is the DC BLM's principals that are the questionable ones, not this movement as a whole and if you read through the comments, that is what you will find. Ashley Arnold had a lot to say about it in the comments...mind you others that commented....well no comment.