Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[TheCommissioner]

Im tired of setting aside my humanity for the sake of the uneducated

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

They direct their anger at freeways...

Lol...so true
Somehow causing traffic is "making a difference"

 

[Mad Ones]

It's flipping the script of everyday life that lets these issues be ignored.

 

[Laderlappen]

Lol...so true
Somehow causing traffic is "making a difference"

It's Ralph Wiggum logic.

 

[cronosred]

BLM release policy agenda

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-releases-policy-agenda-n620966

 

[chaseter]

I stopped at reparations. They will fail and will have waisted everyone's time and resources.

 

[summerteeth]

I stopped at reparations. They will fail and will have waisted everyone's time and resources.

Yep, that movement is going nowhere with those demands. Lots of things we need to do/BLM could call for, but that's not one of them.

 

[SuperT]

Once - please explain why other groups have gotten reparations but ones for African-Americans are off the table? Also reparations doesn't just mean straight money handouts.

 

[Kelly]

Once - please explain why other groups have gotten reparations but ones for African-Americans are off the table? Also reparations doesn't just mean straight money handouts.

One reason, is because the government was able to determine exactly what families, etc were put into Japanese internment camps. They did not give reparations to all Japanese Americans, only those families who had family members in those camps.

What exact historical documentation would you use?

 

[SuperT]

One reason, is because the government was able to determine exactly what families, etc were put into Japanese internment camps. They did not give reparations to all Japanese Americans, only those families who had family members in those camps.

What exact historical documentation would you use?

Historical documentation to prove we descended from slaves? Really? How else do you think we got here? If I'm remembering correctly - over 80% of the African-American population in this country descended from West/Central African's that were brought over here during the slave trade.

It wouldn't be that particularly hard, especially given the fact that other Black American's that don't identify as African-American usually know (not true for everyone) where they descended and are usually native African or Afro-Caribbean.

 

[Donner]

Logistically, it's just not feasible. And it would be insanely expensive. How do you determine who gets what? You can't just cut a cheque to every black person in the US. Not to mention that slavery is hundreds of years old and to prove that you personally have suffered from it is also a logistic nightmare.


Agreeing to reparations would open the flood gates for every person who had parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-great grandparents that were mistreated in some way by the "majority."

 

[summerteeth]

Historical documentation to prove we descended from slaves? Really? How else do you think we got here? If I'm remembering correctly - over 80% of the African-American population in this country descended from West/Central African's that were brought over here during the slave trade.

It wouldn't be that particularly hard, especially given the fact that other Black American's that don't identify as African-American usually know (not true for everyone) where they descended and are usually native African or Afro-Caribbean.

It's not the same, The Japanese American payments were made directly to the people effected. That's not the case with slavery.

 

[summerteeth]

Logistically, it's just not feasible. And it would be insanely expensive. How do you determine who gets what? You can't just cut a cheque to every black person in the US. Not to mention that slavery is hundreds of years old and to prove that you personally have suffered from it is also a logistic nightmare.


Agreeing to reparations would open the flood gates for every person who had parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-great grandparents that were mistreated in some way by the "majority."

It just doesn't make any sense, one of the arguments they made for reparations was unfair housing practices in the past and basically saying that because white people were able to buy housing at lower prices and that's where most of their wealth comes from as houses can be passed down to generation to generation. It completely ignores that a. not everyone is getting houses willed to them b. immigrants who come after and are able to purchase homes/their children and grandchildren are able to purchase homes. I mean my grandparents came from Mexico they bought a house but they have like 8 kids and 20 something grandkids nobody is making a life changing amount when they will that house. All my aunts and uncles own houses. When I buy a house it's because I have decent job that pays well enough and I saved enough to buy one...

 

[chaseter]

We all descended from slaves at some point. The Irish were enslaved in the 17th century. The Scots were enslaved by the British. There were white slaves in colonial America. The Romans had white slaves. Jews were enslaved in Egypt. Whites were enslaved in Feudal Europe. That's just white people.

Tell me again why you deserve reparations and why I deserve to pay for it?

 

[summerteeth]

We all descended from slaves at some point. The Irish were enslaved in the 17th century. The Scots were enslaved by the British. There were white slaves in colonial America. The Romans had white slaves. Jews were enslaved in Egypt. Whites were enslaved in Feudal Europe. That's just white people.

Tell me again why you deserve reparations.

People just want a hand out and don't want to work for it and want to blame all their problems on something else and not take individual responsibility for their own failings/mistakes. It's the same thing with the people who want their student loans forgiven. That one still confuses me, so you took out money knowing you had to pay it back. Made a decision to go to that expensive university and major in something useless and now that you realize how much money you have to pay each month you don't want to have to do it? How is that right? Sorry you made a bad decision? I'm all for creating more opportunity for people who may not have as much, I'm all for finding ways to reduce costs of education. I am not for free money and free handouts.

Also, on the housing issue if you take out a mortgage they are going to look at your income to debt ratio so I'm not even sure if that argument they are making is valid.

 

[SuperT]

We all descended from slaves at some point. The Irish were enslaved in the 17th century. The Scots were enslaved by the British. There were white slaves in colonial America. The Romans had white slaves. Jews were enslaved in Egypt. Whites were enslaved in Feudal Europe. That's just white people.

Stop being so damn obtuse. You know good and well that these incidents aren't on the same level as slavery of African/African-American's that took place here in the United States. An incident which was then compounded by years of segregation up until the 60's. To even compare these incidents as if they have any sort of long term impact on those groups of people (outside of Jewish citizens) is ignorant. How in the hell has slavery, followed up by years of segregation, affected Scottish, British or white American populations?! The nerve.

Don't misunderstand - no one is asking for a handout nor shucking responsibility off. What we're saying is that to say that years of slavery and segregation didn't or doesn't have an impact on African-American society and where it is today in relationship to everybody else is just plain wrong. Why is so hard to accept the fact that our country pretty much screwed African-American people?!

This country f***** us from the get go. End of story.

 

[Donner]

Again, it's a logistical nightmare. The country can't afford to pay reparations to every black person, nor should it. You can either sit there and steam about your injustices, or you can move on with your life.

 

[Mad Ones]

We all descended from slaves at some point. The Irish were enslaved in the 17th century. The Scots were enslaved by the British. There were white slaves in colonial America. The Romans had white slaves. Jews were enslaved in Egypt. Whites were enslaved in Feudal Europe. That's just white people.

Tell me again why you deserve reparations and why I deserve to pay for it?

You do realized that what underpins talking about white slavery in conversations about the transatlantic black slave trade is the white supremacist belief that white people have overcome slavery and are less whiny? How exactly are slaves in the Roman Empire relevant to a conversation on how America was founded on the backs of black slaves sixteen hundred years later? Why else would you compare the Irish to the displacement of tens of millions of Africans in the largest forced migration in the world?

So many people want to ignore American history and hate BLM because they make so we can't. If you don't think there needs to be reparative justice in America than maybe you don't know what America is.

 

[Donner]

You do realized that what underpins talking about white slavery in conversations about the transatlantic black slave trade is the white supremacist belief that white people have overcome slavery and are less whiny? How exactly are slaves in the Roman Empire relevant to a conversation on how America was founded on the backs of black slaves sixteen hundred years later? Why else would you compare the Irish to the displacement of tens of millions of Africans in the largest forced migration in the world?

So many people want to ignore American history and hate BLM because they make so we can't. If you don't think there needs to be reparative justice in America than maybe you don't know what America is.

But what sort of reparative justice? Money? You know full well that will never happen. I don't know specifically what BLM is asking for, but money will not come their way, nor should it. Maybe there's something else that will ease tensions.

 

[SuperT]

But what sort of reparative justice? Money? You know full well that will never happen. I don't know specifically what BLM is asking for, but money will not come their way, nor should it. Maybe there's something else that will ease tensions.

If you read their plan that was posted earlier on this page you would see at no point under the reparations section did they ever explicitly say that outright want cold, hard cash. Some of the things outlined under the Reparations sections:

• Open access to free public university and college education
• Open access to K-12, higher education, technical education or educational support to incarcerated individuals
• Student loan forgiveness
• Increased federal funding to HBCU's
• Providing a Universal Basic Income
• Demand a thorough and accurate public education curriculum on Black History, including not only slavery and civil rights, but also contributions of African and African American heritage at the local, national and global level.
• Funding for cultural assets and sacred sites such as Black burial grounds; Black towns (e.g. Mound Bayou, Mississippi);

Those are just a few I picked out and each section goes into how, legislatively, those things could be achieved. No where in that proposal does it state reparations = just giving people money.

 

[chaseter]

They don't deserve any of that and a lot of those are asinine. In fact, most of that is so profoundly asinine that it's now considered asiten. They've taken asinine to asiten.

Universal basic income...HA

 

[Schlosser85]

If you read their plan that was posted earlier on this page you would see at no point under the reparations section did they ever explicitly say that outright want cold, hard cash. Some of the things outlined under the Reparations sections:

• Open access to free public university and college education
• Open access to K-12, higher education, technical education or educational support to incarcerated individuals
• Student loan forgiveness
• Increased federal funding to HBCU's
• Providing a Universal Basic Income
• Demand a thorough and accurate public education curriculum on Black History, including not only slavery and civil rights, but also contributions of African and African American heritage at the local, national and global level.
• Funding for cultural assets and sacred sites such as Black burial grounds; Black towns (e.g. Mound Bayou, Mississippi);

Those are just a few I picked out and each section goes into how, legislatively, those things could be achieved. No where in that proposal does it state reparations = just giving people money.

So, do I get in on that free access to college and student loan forgiveness, or, even though I'm scrounging by by the skin of my teeth paycheck to paycheck, am I automatically classified as already being "privileged"?

 

[Mad Ones]

So, do I get in on that free access to college and student loan forgiveness, or, even though I'm scrounging by by the skin of my teeth paycheck to paycheck, am I automatically classified as already being "privileged"?

Is the colour of your skin the reason you have to scrounge?

 

[Donner]

Is the colour of your skin the reason you have to scrounge?

It's not for them either. Student loans are a fact of life across all races.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Is the colour of your skin the reason you have to scrounge?

Do all blacks have to scrounge? Because if the color of the skin is the reason for scrounging, then anyone black has to scrounge.

Seems pretty condescending to blacks, if you ask me.