Discussion: Racism - Part 1

[MessiahDecoy123]

Do you not understand the distinction between liberals and REGRESSIVE liberals…? Liberals do the things you mentioned above, regressive liberals have identified certain identity categories as having more importance than others. Someone that tries to bring attention to and eliminate racial discrimination against black Americans could be classified as a liberal, someone who's taking part in the rising black nationalism found in certain parts of the BLM movement would probably be getting closer to being a liberal fascist.

Liberals have their token identities as do conservatives that are generally associated with those groups, the fascist minority in each of those groups is trying to establish its own identity groups as the de facto status quo over and above all the others. All I'm saying is recognize that the blanket term "liberal" isn't some kind of ordained vestige of virtue and morality like it may have been once upon a time - liberalism very much has its own little radicals developing.

But you can see the future and you've seen it'll all end peacefully, so it's all good

What rights does BLM want to take away from whites?

They want police accountability.

There are some who want taxes to go toward reparations but that would impact tax payers of all races.

 

[DeadPresident]

What rights does BLM want to take away from whites?

They want police accountability.

There are some who want taxes to go toward reparations but that would impact tax payers of all races.

"Certain parts of the BLM movement"...You got below average reading comprehension skills, bro?

But then, when faced with terminology you don't completely understand you make Power Rangers jokes - one probably shouldn't set the bar too high in a place like SHH.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Black nationalist are never going to take over the government. Blacks are 12 percent of the population and the vast majority are not Black Nationalist.

The Alt Right are incredibly close to the white house.

So one group kills a few cops here and there and the other is inches close to controling the executive branch of the US government this November.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

"Certain parts of the BLM movement"...You got below average reading comprehension skills, bro?

But then, when faced with terminology you don't completely understand you make Power Rangers jokes - one probably shouldn't set the bar too high in a place like SHH.

Oh God forbid I make a pop culture reference when someone suggests people who want transgender bathrooms are more dangerous and Nazi-like than neo nazis.

 

[DeadPresident]

Black nationalist are never going to take over the government. Blacks are 12 percent of the population and the vast majority are not Black Nationalist.

The Alt Right are incredibly close to the white house.

So one group kills a few cops here and there and the other is inches close to controling the executive branch of the US government this November.

And now you illustrate that you understand the concept of "hegemony" - you're scared of the alt-right because they share commonalities with a hegemonic group in the USA - so thus they are your personal boogeyman. The same reason you fear the alt-right more is why hegemonic groups will fight to protect their dominance, and furthermore why its not something exclusive to them pesky white devils.

Also, @ the bold, am I allowed to say "So some racist cops just kill a few blacks here and there?" nonchalantly, or is that bad? That's bad right? I'm pretty sure it's an unacceptable thing to say, inhumane one might even argue.

 

[DeadPresident]

Oh God forbid I make a pop culture reference when someone suggests people who want transgender bathrooms are more dangerous and Nazi-like than neo nazis.

Yes, because I said that, and you can clearly quote where I made that direct comparison right?

Or are you just veering off because you don't quite have the processing power to deal with topics that aren't clearly black and white?

 

[Donner]

It's one of those things that can be dangerous, when a group formally discriminated against with violence and segregation gains power and then enacts revenge on those that initially discriminated against them (see the Hutu/Tutsi conflict in Rwanda as a reference). It's a vicious cycle.

BLM, if their radical members are not kept in check, could become one of those groups.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I wouldn't bother. If the Communists of China, the Soviet Union, etc., and their body counts of millions-upon-millions had been vilified the way the Nazis were in Western culture and pop culture, you'd have plenty of Hype leftists insisting that those Communists were right-wing, too.

(Rightfully) stating that the Nazis were a left-wing party goes against an article of faith for the American left.

Nazis only allied themselves with workers to consolidate power.

Workers were just stepping stones.

You'd be a fool to believe Nazis, some of the biggest elitist in history, were egalitarian.

Also how many alt right memes celebrating Hitler do you need before you come in terms with reality?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Quick IQ/honesty test.

1) Which of the following is pro-immigrant, pro-egalitarian, pro-gay, pro-diversity...

A) Nazis
B) A Liberal organization
C) Both

2) Who is much closer to taking over the free world?

A) The Alt Right
B) The New Black Panthers
C) The Power Rangers

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And now you illustrate that you understand the concept of "hegemony" - you're scared of the alt-right because they share commonalities with a hegemonic group in the USA - so thus they are your personal boogeyman. The same reason you fear the alt-right more is why hegemonic groups will fight to protect their dominance, and furthermore why its not something exclusive to them pesky white devils.

Also, @ the bold, am I allowed to say "So some racist cops just kill a few blacks here and there?" nonchalantly, or is that bad? That's bad right? I'm pretty sure it's an unacceptable thing to say, inhumane one might even argue.

I don't distrust and disapprove of the alt right because they look the same. Lots of groups look/act the same. I distrust and disapprove of the alt right because they advocate xenophobia, racism, authoritarianism, and homophobia.

I'm a civil libertarian who values a free, open and diverse society so clearly they clash with my values.

I don't think they are boogeymen. Clearly they are not joking when they support Trump's most extreme ideas.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm not trivializing killing several cops but it simply doesn't compare to an extreme ideology gaining executive power.

 

[moviedoors]

Oh God forbid I make a pop culture reference when someone suggests people who want transgender bathrooms are more dangerous and Nazi-like than neo nazis.

Whose said that? I think we all understand that the alt right it more dangerous and entrenched. Does that mean we can't also point out when the left goes off he rails into regressive waters?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yes, because I said that, and you can clearly quote where I made that direct comparison right?

Or are you just veering off because you don't quite have the processing power to deal with topics that aren't clearly black and white?

So your not talking about SJW when you cry about identity politics?

All your fear mongering is directed at the tiny black nationalist movement?

 

[moviedoors]

I'm not trivializing killing several cops but it simply doesn't compare to an extreme ideology gaining executive power.

But that's what you did. You literally trivialized it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Whose said that? I think we all understand that the alt right it more dangerous and entrenched. Does that mean we can't also point out when the left goes off he rails into regressive waters?

I have no problem discussing the flaws of certain Liberal politics but let's not pretend the alt right isn't a far more dangerous and immediate problem.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

But that's what you did. You literally trivialized it.

Why? because I pointed out that an extreme ideology gaining executive power is a great deal more important than a couple of lone wolf shootings?

It's the truth. How is this even debateable?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

"Nuclear war is far more important than a few carjackings"

"You're trivializing carjackings"

No, I'm not.

 

[Donner]

"Nuclear war is far more important than a few carjackings"

"You're trivializing carjackings"

No, I'm not.

It was the way you wrote it. "One group kills a few cops here and there."

That's trivializing.

 

[InCali]

I've brought this up on other threads, but think it's applicable here. As I was a statistician in another life, I know something very simple about groups that we sometimes overlook. In ANY large group of people you are going to have outliers (AKA crazy people). I see a lot of people pointing fingers at individuals in groups when that person doesn't particularly like the policies of the group. What we should, IMO, be looking at are the policies of the group itself and stop using the nutjobs who do things that are not sponsored to indict the group.

Also, power isn't just in numbers. White people could be in the "minority" and still easily maintain power because of their control/ownership of the infrastructure. While I don't believe anyone will deny that racism exists, I think we're moving in a direction where the most important color is green. The real question here is the distribution of wealth and how we use it. How wealth is distributed is a major player when discussing racism.

 

[Donner]

I've brought this up on other threads, but think it's applicable here. As I was a statistician in another life, I know something very simple about groups that we sometimes overlook. In ANY large group of people you are going to have outliers (AKA crazy people). I see a lot of people pointing fingers at individuals in groups when that person doesn't particularly like the policies of the group. What we should, IMO, be looking at are the policies of the group itself and stop using the nutjobs who do things that are not sponsored to indict the group.

Also, power isn't just in numbers. White people could be in the "minority" and still easily maintain power because of their control/ownership of the infrastructure. While I don't believe anyone will deny that racism exists, I think we're moving in a direction where the most important color is green. The real question here is the distribution of wealth and how we use it.

This reminds me of the documentary "Requiem for the American Dream."

America has a horrible system that allows the rich to gain power through the political process and continue the cycle. Wealth and power are concentrated at the top and political policies benefit the rich because politicians are bought and paid for by large corporations.

Any criticism of this system is seen as a threat. And policies follow that try and squash the threat.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It was the way you wrote it. "One group kills a few cops here and there."

That's trivializing.

It required some kind of numerical value.

Clearly 200,000 cops being shot could easily eclipse many national security threats derived from a Trump presidency.

I'm fairly certain I would be accused of trivializing even if I said "two or three cop killings" instead.

 

[moviedoors]

It was the way you wrote it. "One group kills a few cops here and there."

That's trivializing.

Exactly. It came off as though it were being shrugged off. It's the kind of phrasing someone like, oh I don't know, Trump might employ.

 

[moviedoors]

I have no problem discussing the flaws of certain Liberal politics but let's not pretend the alt right isn't a far more dangerous and immediate problem.

But you apparently DO have a problem discussing the flaws of liberal politics, hence the kerfluffle.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

But you apparently DO have a problem discussing the flaws of liberal politics, hence the kerfluffle.

Lol, we're arguing which is a greater threat to society, SJWs or the alt right.

Until we agree that SJW poses a greater threat why should the "dangers" of SJWs be the focus rather than the immediate dangers of the alt right?

 

[Donner]

Lol, we're arguing which is a greater threat to society, SJWs or the alt right.

Until we agree that SJW poses a greater threat why should the "dangers" of SJWs be the focus rather than the immediate dangers of the alt right?

No one here has mentioned SJWs except for you. Why do you continue to use terms that aren't being discussed and insist that we're discussing them?

The term SJW has not once appeared in any of DeadPresident's posts.