Discussion: Racism - Part 1

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Granted, I haven't read up on it; but why did a police helicopter and what looked like at least two police cars respond to a car being stopped in the middle of the road?
 
You're right, unarmed whites are killed by criminals at an alarming rate but those are criminals. Police are held to higher standards. They take an oath to serve and protect. There's no justification for shooting dude in cold blood. But I'd bet money that none of those cops spend a day in jail. The MOST they will get is probation IF they get that.

I think they were referring to unarmed white people getting killed by police.
 
Granted, I haven't read up on it; but why did a police helicopter and what looked like at least two police cars respond to a car being stopped in the middle of the road?

The cop cars were responding to an unrelated call and unfortunately crossed paths with Crutcher on the way.
 
The cop cars were responding to an unrelated call and unfortunately crossed paths with Crutcher on the way.

Yeah, F that call. Could be someone doing a home invasion, heavily armed with a bomb strapped to their chest but we got more important things to take care of............like this black guy with a flat tire on the side of the road. :o


What's crazy is they caught that terrorist in Elizabeth, NJ(10 minutes from where I live)alive and he was in a shoot out with cops and even shot one and they took him alive. Same thing with the guy from Planned Parenthood. But you have this guy and also the guy in Florida with the autistic kid who have their hands up and they still get shot but yet people wonder why BLM and Kaepernick have such a large following and then have the balls to say racism doesn't exist or if you don't like it to go back to Africa.
 
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This is for the everything is justified and no cops are shady brigade

St. Louis cop caught on film planting a gun on a man he just killed

Newly released footage has shed a troubling new light on a 2011 police shooting in St. Louis, showing an officer gun down a black suspect and then planting a gun on the crime scene.

Officer Jason Stockley and his partner Brian Bianchi had engaged drug suspect Anthony Lamar Smith in a high speed chase. Stockley can be heard saying “I’m going to kill this mother*******.”

The police rammed Smith off the road, and camera footage shows Stockley shooting five shots into the driver’s seat of Smith’s disabled car.

New footage now reveals Stockley taking a gun out of a duffel back from the back of his own cruiser and planting it on Smith’s body. Stockley claimed in his report that Smith had pointed the weapon at him, justifying the use of lethal force.

Subsequent DNA evidence on the gun, however, did not contain any DNA or fingerprints from Smith.

Stockley will be tried for first degree murder. One of his initial hearings takes place on Oct. 3rd.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...h-look-at-st-louis-police-killing/article_e05
 
You're right, unarmed whites are killed by criminals at an alarming rate but those are criminals. Police are held to higher standards. They take an oath to serve and protect. There's no justification for shooting dude in cold blood. But I'd bet money that none of those cops spend a day in jail. The MOST they will get is probation IF they get that.

I was talking about cops shooting unarmed whites.

You are right, it's an issue with the police. My point is it's not necessarily a race issue...which is the wagon everyone immediately jumps on. That does nothing it but create a wave of other problems.

Cops shouldn't get off easy, I agree. However, until all the facts are in on this one...I'll reserve my judgment. Now they're saying they found PCP in his car and may have been on it. We will see...
 
I was talking about cops shooting unarmed whites.

You are right, it's an issue with the police. My point is it's not necessarily a race issue...which is the wagon everyone immediately jumps on. That does nothing it but create a wave of other problems.

Cops shouldn't get off easy, I agree. However, until all the facts are in on this one...I'll reserve my judgment. Now they're saying they found PCP in his car and may have been on it. We will see...

Of course they found PCP in the car! :cwink:

Chamber-music just posted a story about an officer planting a gun on a guy after they shot him. Them miraculously finding something after the dude is dead doesn't make it right. But I get what you are saying and you are right. It may not be about race but with it being so many minorities being shot, you do have to wonder if that's the case. Not just that but with so many people of different races trying to sweep this under the rug as if it's only black thugs doing dirty things and it's why they are shot when there is video out there is making it racial.
 
Let's pretend they did find PCP in the car. What's that got to do with murdering him before you "found" it? Also, if a person has drugs on them we execute them now? :whatever:
 
They'll use it as a reason not to have any sympathy for the man.
 
I'll wait to see if he had history of hard drug use.

As of now, the whole thing smells fishy.
 
Say he did have drugs in the car.

That doesn't merit an immediate sentence of summary execution without judge or jury, by four or five jittery cowards by the side of the road.

Even say he was reaching for a gun in his car.

They stunned him. He was incapacitated. So why was it necessary to shoot him?
 
They'll use it as a reason not to have any sympathy for the man.

Yet the other side wants to condemn the cop(s) without knowing the whole story. I don't see how one stance is better than the other. Both views are narrow minded, uneducated, and reactionary.
 
Yet the other side wants to condemn the cop(s) without knowing the whole story. I don't see how one stance is better than the other. Both views are narrow minded, uneducated, and reactionary.

I don't see people condemning the cop who tasered the man yet (on here anyway).
 
Yet the other side wants to condemn the cop(s) without knowing the whole story. I don't see how one stance is better than the other. Both views are narrow minded, uneducated, and reactionary.
Have you seen the footage? He could of had a bazooka in the car and been on all the drugs. Nothing about what he did required them to kill him. Nothing.

This stuff is always obscured by the search for "facts" which are completely irrelevant to the fact that they murdered someone who caused them no legit threat. If he attacked them, why couldn't they physically restraint him?
 
Black Men May Have Cause To Run From Police, Massachusetts High Court Says

A black man who runs from police shouldn't necessarily be considered suspicious — and merely might be trying to avoid "the recurring indignity of being racially profiled," the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court says.

As member station WBUR reports, the court cited "Boston police data and a2014 report by the ACLU of Massachusetts that found blacks were disproportionately stopped by the city's police" as it threw out the 2011 gun conviction of Jimmy Warren.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...run-from-police-massachusetts-high-court-says

Tuesday's ruling is also significant because Boston is not the only city in the United States where police disproportionately focus their attention on the black community.


During a 2013 investigation during the heyday of "stop and frisk" tactics in New York City, a court found that city police had made 4.4 million stops between January 2004 and June 2012; about 83% of those stopped were black or Hispanic.


In San Francisco, a report on law enforcement practices commissioned by the District Attorney's office found that, "although black people accounted for less than 15% of all stops in 2015, they accounted for over 42% of all non-consent searches following stops."



And in 2016, a Chicago Police Accountability Task Force found that black and Hispanic drivers were more than four times as likely to be searched as those who were white.
https://mic.com/articles/154771/bla...edium=movement&utm_campaign=social#.h8QsMy71a
 
Nah, it is all in black and Hispanic people's heads. We are all just paranoid...
 
Have you seen the footage? He could of had a bazooka in the car and been on all the drugs. Nothing about what he did required them to kill him. Nothing.

This stuff is always obscured by the search for "facts" which are completely irrelevant to the fact that they murdered someone who caused them no legit threat. If he attacked them, why couldn't they physically restraint him?

No one said he required death. This stuff is like a time circle. The media plucks a case out of the air and lines are drawn for social war. Then, as facts, videos, evidence comes into play...suddenly we see more of the picture. Remember Brown, Sterling? Turns out...the cops weren't racist murderers. All I am saying is...wait a few days for the full picture. Then, we can solidify our judgements.

Cops killing people is always bad and should always be the last resort. However, when you don't know if the perp is going to grab a gun and end your life because they choose not to comply...I would be on edge too and I personally can't say I wouldn't shoot. I am not a cop. It's a tough profession and we need to spend more resources and time properly training these cops. We need cops but we could improve their training definitely.
 
No one said he required death. This stuff is like a time circle. The media plucks a case out of the air and lines are drawn for social war. Then, as facts, videos, evidence comes into play...suddenly we see more of the picture. Remember Brown, Sterling? Turns out...the cops weren't racist murderers. All I am saying is...wait a few days for the full picture. Then, we can solidify our judgements.

Cops killing people is always bad and should always be the last resort. However, when you don't know if the perp is going to grab a gun and end your life because they choose not to comply...I would be on edge too and I personally can't say I wouldn't shoot. I am not a cop. It's a tough profession and we need to spend more resources and time properly training these cops. We need cops but we could improve their training definitely.
Saying being a cop is a "tough profession" does not changed the requirements or that fact that you have other people's life in your hands. It is a excuse for unqualified and dangerous people being cops. Just because you would be a bad cop, does not make the actual police being horrible at their jobs valid. Bad training does not justify murder. It is definite problem, but that does not change when someone is murdered by a police officer. If someone doesn't have the temperament to be a cop, they shouldn't be a cop, but if they are allowed to be one, then it doesn't change the standard they must be held to. And thus making excuses for such actions is not only dangerous.

You are labeling a man who was broken down on the street a perp. Why? Furthermore why is not knowing what a person is going to do justify shooting them, or excusing why they were shot at the very least? If the cop doesn't know what they are going to do, why does that validate shooting them? Shouldn't they need to know the person is an imminent threat to shoot them, not the other way around?
 
Parking While Black

Of the many forms of police harassment faced by communities of color, “driving while back” is probably the most well-known, well-documented, and prominently used method. The underpinnings for police to racially profile black motorists—the authority of the police to forcibly detain motorists for minor traffic infractions as a pretext to search a motorist and his car—has even been enshrined by the Supreme Court.

Recently, a federal court has given constitutional credence to an even grosser abuse of citizens by police: Let’s call it “parking while black.” In United States v. Johnson, decided in May, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2–1 to uphold a police search of a group of black people who were just sitting in a parked car. Fortunately, the entire circuit is going to rehear the case, which could decide whether the insidious practice of racial profiling of motorists on the highway will extend to racial profiling of motorists in parked cars.

If the Fourth Amendment doctrine that allows police to use minor traffic infractions such as changing lanes without signaling as a pretext to search citizens—a practice that is overwhelmingly applied to black citizens—is allowed to extend to parking, the consequences would be grave. Should the full 7th Circuit—or eventually the Supreme Court—choose to uphold the current ruling, a police officer would have the constitutional authority to approach any motorist sitting in a parked car who may be violating a parking ordinance such as standing in a loading zone, near a fire hydrant, or within a few feet of an alley or private driveway; order all of the occupants out of the car; and then search the occupants and the car. Again, this prospect is staggering; recent statistics show convincingly that black motorists are stopped far more often than white motorists.
 
Better training and recruitment for Law Enforcement seems like a no brainier to most people yet it seems to be a struggle.

Black Lives Matters 10 primary objectives

The plans calls for:
1.Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones

2.Using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face

3.Making standards for reporting police use of deadly force

4.Independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct

5.Having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve

6.Requiring officers to wear body cameras

7.Providing more training for police officers

8.Ending for-profit policing practices

9.Ending the police use of military equipment

10.Implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct

A few of the points are a little iffy but most of the things they want seem like the kind of things people from all backgrounds would probably support. It isn't too unreasonable to demand some of these things. Some forces have already implemented some of objectives already.
 
3rd one this week

Tawon Boyd, a man from Essex, MD has died from injuries sustained in a confrontation with police.

http://www.complex.com/life/2016/09/tawon-boyd-dies-violent-police-confrontation

Cops weren't wearing body cams.
And yet people say Colin is wrong for sitting during the anthem! There is a serious police problem that needs to be addressed. Just because some people don't experience racism or see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I won't lie, where my parents live if a bunch of black dudes are just sitting in a parked car for a long time doing nothing, it's a little suspect. But that depends on the area.
Agreed! Nothing worse than coming home from work at 10 at night and seeing a car full of dudes "just hanging out."
 
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