Discussion: Racism - Part 2

[Kyle]

Let's just send all the haters to Narnia... you know...just long enough for them to learn a lesson and then to return to their younger selves, only to realize what jerks they were. Yeah... that'll do it. Let's get the wardrobe!

I'd say lets stick racists into Africa or Japan or China or Mexico or etc. and have it so they can't act or talk back. Homophobes, tape their mouth shut and make them live in a gay club. Being sarcastic again here, but it would be amusing. It would also turn the tables around on them from their "great again" view of Trumpmerica.

 

[KevanG]

Let's just send all the haters to Narnia... you know...just long enough for them to learn a lesson and then to return to their younger selves, only to realize what jerks they were. Yeah... that'll do it. Let's get the wardrobe!

Now I'm imagining Narnia full of McDonalds and Starbucks. "**** you Aslan! I wanted my Mocha Latte five minutes ago!"

 

[moviedoors]

As I said I was being mostly sarcastic although bitter sarcasm.

There's nothing sarcastic here:

While I don't hate them, I do wish they were kicked out for continuously harassing people. Security had to be called in because her rant made nobody feel safe. I'm sorry, but that is just plain wrong to me. I can accept some people saying it but once you make people feel unsafe that security has to come, there's a line here to me.

This reads as sincere.

Or:

To me I do wish those bigoted people are kicked out of the country for being jack butts. That part is true and is real.

You were being explicit, at least that's how it read.

My question is why are you so defensive seemingly about it? Most likely not the case, but it almost feels like you're defending her and saying don't ridicule her or those like her.

Not don't ridicule her or those like her (though what are we, children?), but I'll certainly defend their right to live here. I'm irked how petty and short sighted a view like that is. It doesn't solve a damn thing. That kind of attitude does more harm than good really.

 

[Kyle]

Because I am sincere, I would love to see them tossed out. Absolutely love it. It would be like Christmas morning hearing that that's going to happen. Now do I believe it will or can? No. It won't happen and I know that.

Ah. Being basically forced to live under terror for days on end and now years, I don't have any sympathy at all for them anymore as their target. And as said I'd love for them to be kicked out. Especially as described above since it would be a taste of their own medicene. Will it happen? Unfortunately it can't. Thing is, I know that - they don't know that they can't kick me out. To me wishing I could kick them out is better than wishing violence unto them, that is the line to me. Plus they want their own aryan nation, all I'm saying is give it to them somewhere else... Like Greenland or the coldest region of Alaska.

Also the other line is they can hold those beliefs, going hectic to the point of security being needed to be called in - those are the people I am talking about, to clear any potential misconceptions. Can't happen, yeah. Wish it? Hell to the yes.

 

[DeadPresident]

Alright, let's take this seriously then; where do we deport this woman to? What's the litmus test for how racist, sexist, homophobic, etc you can be before you get deported?

Careful movie, apparently using logic is "defensive seeming" around these parts.

As a side note Kyle, you're literally showing the exact same tendencies that you hate Trump and his ilk for espousing...battle not with monsters, eh?

 

[Kyle]

I'm saying I'd love to kick the dangerous bigots out. They're saying kick them out to anyone and everyone that's a minority. See the difference? I'm not saying kick white people out or kick out those that just hold those beliefs, I'm saying specifically the ones that make people afraid by going on rants and raves requiring security especially the death threat ones. If they want their aryan nation so bad, give it to them in the coldest region of Alaska. It's what they want after all. It won't happen. A daydream however impossible? Yeah, one that them chanting "build the wall" leaves me not sorry for them in the slightest as their target.

 

[MaceB]

Because I am sincere, I would love to see them tossed out. Absolutely love it. It would be like Christmas morning hearing that that's going to happen. Now do I believe it will or can? No. It won't happen and I know that.

Ah. Being basically forced to live under terror for days on end and now years, I don't have any sympathy at all for them anymore as their target. And as said I'd love for them to be kicked out. Especially as described above since it would be a taste of their own medicene. Will it happen? Unfortunately it can't. Thing is, I know that - they don't know that they can't kick me out. To me wishing I could kick them out is better than wishing violence unto them, that is the line to me. Plus they want their own aryan nation, all I'm saying is give it to them somewhere else... Like Greenland or the coldest region of Alaska.

Also the other line is they can hold those beliefs, going hectic to the point of security being needed to be called in - those are the people I am talking about, to clear any potential misconceptions. Can't happen, yeah. Wish it? Hell to the yes.

Well... there are other countries that exile citizens that dissent. You say you wish that they were deported, but do you really want to live in a state like that? One where people aren't free to say or think what they want? A state that jails or exiles those who don't fit the mold? This is why playing with racism is dangerous - it snowballs to a point where everyone is against one another. I understand that you're scared and angry. But our country has to be made of deeper principles that can stand the emotions of the day. Remember, "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." That's the America we need to protect. It's harder to stick to your principles than to exclude those who don't share them.
Trump may be exciting some folks who don't share that multicultural sentiment, but fighting their fire with your own won't get you where you want to go I think.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If you gave racists their own sovereign nation, in the south, they would mostly deport themselves.

But then we would have to worry about them going full third reich with segregation, slavery, genocide, censorship, gay persecution, not to mention nukes and rampant pollution.

Sorry but the idea that both sides are equally dangerous is demented.

No, they're not.

 

[Kyle]

As said, unsure if you posted before I edited it DeadPresident. I'm specifically saying those whose actions require security to become involved or issue death threats or throw bricks through windows and etc. Those are the people I dream about sending to the coldest part of Alaska. To me that goes beyond free speech, those people to me ARE dangerous.

 

[MaceB]

As said, unsure if you posted before I edited it DeadPresident. I'm specifically saying those whose actions require security to become involved or issue death threats or throw bricks through windows and etc. Those are the people I dream about sending to the coldest part of Alaska. To me that goes beyond free speech, those people to me ARE dangerous.

And what about the folks who think flag burners are dangerous? Or that hunters are dangerous? Wall Street bankers? Teacher's union activists? The protesters at Standing Rock? You're suggesting that we legislate based on your own feelings. That's dangerous brah... and pretty freaking un-American.
If they throw bricks, then they go to jail and they get sentenced. If they threaten others, then they go to jail and they get sentenced. Take a step back - just because you're T'd off, doesn't mean it's a good time to jettison our rule of law that has sustained us for over 2 centuries.

 

[Kyle]

To me all of that is free speech, to throw further controversy in give the dangerous members of groups like the Black Panthers their own place as well. Put their race war somewhere else and isolated.

And as said there's a difference between a spiteful daydream and reality. I'm not proposing legislation at all. Some are just getting bent out of shape over a day dream.

A lot.wish violence on their oppressor, I just wish separation from.the dangerous ones in a day dream.

 

[MaceB]

To you, it's free speech. To others, it could be scary. That's the point I'm trying to get at here.
Kyle... it's pretty hard to talk to you about this stuff. Imagine if I said, "I hate 5 year olds, they are so untidy and they always yell. I wish we could kill them all." Then, imagine if others were like, "hey, no that's no good," and I said, "well jeez, why are you all getting bent out of shape? I'm not talking reality, I just wish I could kill little children. I'm not suggesting it'd actually ever happen." Well that may be, but why would I even bring something like that up if I was just going to squirm out of it every time by saying I only want to do it in my imagination?
Exiling Americans for their beliefs would have huge repercussions and is a bad idea... as there will always be more racists.. just like there will always be more children. Whether its in your dream or in reality, it's a mean, hateful, spiteful, deplorable, impractical, bad idea.

 

[Kyle]

I couldn't care less about being mean to racists. To me racists and children are not the same, children are innocents while racists aim to harrass minorities some even aim to kill minorities. If you mean racists have the brain capacity of a 5 year old there we agree. Is it a slippery slope yeah that's why it can't be carried out, there we agree. Outside of that, yeah I stand by wishing they'd be kicked out or locked up depending on how dangerous they could be and that's a hell of a lot nicer than wishing anything more than that upon them and I don't care if I've offended any racists in saying so.

 

[MaceB]

Sigh... obviously racists and children are not the same. It was a metaphor for comparison purposes man, come on, you're being obtuse. The point is that you are either accountable for your opinions or your not. Saying that you just wish it would happen, is not an adequate response to those who say it's a bad idea. Whether in imagination or in practice, it's a bad idea. Because racism is a part of humanity, just like childhood is a part of humanity. Exiling them won't do anything. Just like killing babies won't do anything... because racism will come back. Kids will come back.
I didn't say anything about how it's not cool to be "mean." You don't care about being mean to racists. I don't care about killing babies. Racists harass minorities. Babies annoy people... some of which are minorities. And besides, I'm not really suggesting we kill babies. I'm just saying I want to kill all the babies. Why are you getting bent out of shape?

 

[Kyle]

One is innocents the others are jack butts. One is isolating them away the other is talking murder. Pretty HUGE freaking difference between isolation and killing, everyone would agree there. If I made any racists squirm, I'm glad. That's all there is to it. No apologizing from me for ridiculing racists. I'm out. You want to hold me accountable for speaking out against racists and making them squirm that I'll put them behind the wall they keep chanting about instead? I'd wear that with honor, so by all means hold me accountable for that.

 

[MaceB]

What do you mean innocent? They crap all over the house and they scream just to get under your nerves. And again.. I'm just dreaming of killing babies. I'm not saying we should actually kill them. Jeeze.

 

[Kyle]

Just, you do understand that the correct metaphor would be putting babies into their pen or cradle right (isolation)? Since I never said killing while you want to apparently slaughter babies?

As said, if you want to hold me accountable for making racists squirm that I'll put them behind that wall they're chanting for instead? I will take accountability for that and in stride. By all means place that on me. I'm not ashamed of that at all, it's how I've felt every day since 11/9.

 

[MaceB]

Hey man, why are we quibbling? You don't really want to fence racists into some ghetto in another country. You just wish it could happen in a dream.
I don't actually want to kill babies. I just wish I could in a dream too. So why are you getting so bent out of shape?

I mean, if we were talking in reality, I guess I could settle for pen or cradle, but it's my dreams, and in my dreams, I think they should die. So what? What do you care? I mean... I don't really want to slaughter them; how dare you say that. I just dream of it.

I don't want to hold you accountable for making racists squirm (nor did I ever say so). I want to hold your idea accountable for pulling racists from their families and detaining them... maybe Gitmo would be good? Take accountability for your bad idea, regardless of whether you're arguing that it could happen or should happen... justify your arguments. Don't pretend like you only half mean them so they aren't open for debate.

 

[Kyle]

I'd be open to tearing racists apart from their families. They can go visit them or live with them in Alaska or Greenland. No camps. Just their own aryan land they've always dreamt of far away from society. You do realize having their own land is their dream right? All I'm saying is if that's what they want, give it to them where they can't bother anybody else. It'd be a win win.

 

[MaceB]

And again, that's a bad idea. Weren't you heading out?

 

[Kyle]

To me, not at all. It shoves their race war that they actively want away so there can't be bystanders caught in their cross fire. If they want to function in the world, not sending their race war everywhere they're welcome to stay. If they want to further their race war, just leave and fight elsewhere.

 

[MaceB]

Again, no it doesn't. There will always be racists just like there will always be children.

 

[Kyle]

The more race war fighters there are, the more they're exiled to their perfect aryan land. You do realize that's what this about don't you? They WANT their own land.

 

[MaceB]

The more you exile, the more combatants you create here at home. A never ending (and certainly bloody) cycle of rounding up racists (who knows how) and exiling them, creating more and more and more.

 

[Kyle]

They want their own land - that's what they're fighting for. I'm saying give them their own land where they can't hurt anybody else. I'm in effect giving them what they want. It's a win win. Even though their temperment will turn it into Escape from New York...