Discussion: Racism - Part 2

[terry78]

he's not wrong. If a black guy gets angry about something people are more likely to be freaked out and nervous as opposed to some white guy.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

They said "us minorities" which is an incredibly vague statement.

 

[DeadPresident]

http://www.nme.com/news/music/michael-jacksons-daughter-paris-responds-criticism-saying-1961379

So is it unacceptable or racist for someone to tell Paris Jackson, Michael Jackson's daughter, that she isn't black?

 

[terry78]

I doubt it, but you'd probably get some nasty remarks for insulting MJ's daughter.

 

[DeadPresident]

I doubt it, but you'd probably get some nasty remarks for insulting MJ's daughter.

A tv presenter just did that, referenced in the article, by saying she doesn't look black. It's interesting because some people, like this woman, may say how you look or your biology shouldn't determine if you're a man or a woman, but it should determine if you're white or black.

If biology doesn't matter in the one case it shouldn't matter in any of them. My age, race, or sex shouldn't be tied to my biology then.

 

[RockSP]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r69/Rocksp/comics/TAHulk.jpg

To any comic book readers in this thread: are you offended by this?

 

[DeadPresident]

Zero context? Good start.

 

[RockSP]

The context is the picture itself...and the team up it represents: Amadeus "Hulk" Cho, Shang Chi, Ms. Marvel, Silk, Jimmy Woo and Jake Oh.

 

[DeadPresident]

The context is the picture itself...and the team up it represents: Amadeus "Hulk" Cho, Shang Chi, Ms. Marvel, Silk, Jimmy Woo and Jake Oh.

I'm not sure what you're angling at, but it's good SJW virtue-signalling clickbait. It should offend people about as much as an all-white, all-black, all-Aborigine, all-Pacific Islander, all-Arab set of characters should offend people. Bonus point question, which one of those is accepted by all liberals to be "offensive"?

If "too many whites" is an argument people want to use in representation in media then it should account for "too many _________" as well.

I can only be sufficiently offended if you can tell me which genders each of those characters identifies with.

 

[RockSP]

Over the many years I've been on this forum and other comic forums, whenever a group of black superheroes have teamed up I always see some over the top vitriol aimed at it. I remember people being very upset when on Hudlin's run on Black Panther he wrote a storyline where BP teamed up with Blade, Monica Rambeau, Brother Voodoo and Luke Cage. There was stupid crap being said like "they don't even know each other!"

I haven't seen any of that ignorant nastiness toward this Asian-American superhero team up. I'm just curious if those racist fanboys only have a problem when it's black superheroes teaming up, or if they've actually grown up. Or maybe they are just generally unaware of this team up. Or maybe I've just missed out on the pointless hatred in this particular case...

 

[DeadPresident]

Show me the vitriol, and where do you find it? I'm not familiar enough with comic book properties to know, I don't read comics. If an idea like that was posted on the Hype I'm sure you know it would only be supported enthusiastically.

I'm curious if your sensitivity to race issues is just when black folks are involved or if it extends to all races.

 

[RockSP]

Lol...show you the vitriol? I've been on these boards since 2003. You think I keep backup files of all the threads I've ever been on?

I'm not familiar enough with comic book properties to know, I don't read comics.

Then the question I posed wasn't really aimed at you.

If an idea like that was posted on the Hype I'm sure you know it would only be supported enthusiastically.

I'm curious if your sensitivity to race issues is just when black folks are involved or if it extends to all races.

I'm asking about the reactions to a team up of Asian characters.

 

[regwec]

RockSP: What do you think of this?

DP: I have no opinion.

RoclSP: Aaah! You hate it! You racist! I knew it!

 

[DeadPresident]

Lol...show you the vitriol? I've been on these boards since 2003. You think I keep backup files of all the threads I've ever been on?

So you mean the neckbeards on an internet forum had negative opinions on something in their personal capacities? Not exactly something to get worked up over, if you're holding out for complete racial/identity harmony you're going to be waiting a long time.

If people are allowed to complain that they don't like so many whites in [Insert Property] are people not allowed to complain that they don't like so many [X Identity] in another property?

Then the question I posed wasn't really aimed at you.

Fair enough.

I'm referring to the overwhelming distribution of left-wing people on the Hype.

I'm asking about the reactions to a team up of Asian characters.

Well since they've never got one I imagine it'd be positive? Are you going to argue that because there isn't a black team up people are inherently racist or something? Last time I checked Black Panther had an all-black cast, with some of the best actors in the industry, before Marvel decided to bring this all-Asian cast to film - the bigger medium between comics or film. I'm not sure what your gripe is here?

 

[RockSP]

RockSP: What do you think of this?

DP: I have no opinion.

RoclSP: Aaah! You hate it! You racist! I knew it!

regwec: let me come in and make up some utter nonsense.

 

[chaseter]

Has everyone checked their straight white male privelege before posting in here?

 

[DeadPresident]

Has everyone checked their straight white male privelege before posting in here?

Yes, I identify as a 60-year-old Indonesian lesbian who occasionally identifies as a 6'4'' chauvinist Jamaican point guard, we're all good.

 

[RockSP]

So you mean the neckbeards on an internet forum had negative opinions on something in their personal capacities? Not exactly something to get worked up over, if you're holding out for complete racial/identity harmony you're going to be waiting a long time.

Who's worked up? Asking a question equals being worked up?

If people are allowed to complain that they don't like so many whites in [Insert Property] are people not allowed to complain that they don't like so many [X Identity] in another property?

People can do what they want. It doesn't mean it makes any sense. You said you don't read comics so maybe you don't know that the vast majority of mainstream comics (that means marvel & dc, usually) are about white characters. There have been numerous all white teams. So the fanboys who get upset when a black superhero (or Asian, or latino, etc) gets a book or if multiple black (or Asian, etc.) characters team up aren't the brightest bulbs, to say the least.

Well since they've never got one I imagine it'd be positive? Are you going to argue that because there isn't a black team up people are inherently racist or something?

Lol...wow. Someone seems to be projecting. If you somehow think I'm upset about an Asian superhero team up than you need to reread my second post on this subject. I bought the comic that is the subject of this "discussion".

Last time I checked Black Panther had an all-black cast, with some of the best actors in the industry, before Marvel decided to bring this all-Asian cast to film - the bigger medium between comics or film.

Black Panther doesn't have an all black cast...just an FYI.

I'm not sure what your gripe is here?

That much is obvious, since you (and regwec) are going out of your way to make up a gripe that doesn't exist.

 

[regwec]

I really don't know what's going on. You seem to want an argument about something, but I don't have a clear enough idea what the bait on the troll-hook is to take a nibble.

 

[DeadPresident]

Who's worked up? Asking a question equals being worked up?

You posted the all-Asian cast and (after some prompting from me) asked a question about people's theoretical reactions to an all-Black cast - referencing, and I quote, "vitriol". This clearly isn't a discussion on our favorite ice cream flavors. You posted that picture for a specific reason.

People can do what they want. It doesn't mean it makes any sense. You said you don't read comics so maybe you don't know that the vast majority of mainstream comics (that means marvel & dc, usually) are about white characters. There have been numerous all white teams. So the fanboys who get upset when a black superhero (or Asian, or latino, etc) gets a book or if multiple black (or Asian, etc.) characters team up aren't the brightest bulbs, to say the least.

Okay, and if we were to break down consumer demographics of comic book sales is it likely the vast majority would be white males? Economically, does it perhaps make sense? If a market comprising of 70% white people has media platforms primarily represented by whites, doesn't it make logical sense? People want to see their own identities mirrored in fiction, so if whites are a larger amount then certainly market size being correlated to actual demographics is rather logical…?

Hispanics are a higher percentage of the population of the US than black Americans, they're not getting a majority-Hispanic cast movie like Black Panther, are you outraged about that oversight in representation?

Also, I'd highly recommend you stop paying attention to what any fanboy say about anything, they're ****ing morons.

Lol...wow. Someone seems to be projecting. If you somehow think I'm upset about an Asian superhero team up than you need to reread my second post on this subject. I bought the comic that is the subject of this "discussion".

How can I project that? Cute try, but you juxtaposed the Asian cast against the proposed and historic reaction to an all-black cast, so clearly the acceptance of an all-black cast as a team-up is an issue for you.

Black Panther doesn't have an all black cast...just an FYI.

You're right, token roles for Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis are a huge deal. Luckily they cast one of them as the villainous white devil whites really are, amiright? Those same token roles I'd assume you would criticize were the black/white demographics in the movie reversed?

That much is obvious, since you (and regwec) are going out of your way to make up a gripe that doesn't exist.

So articulate your point then. Why did you post that picture in a thread on racism and then directly reference previous reactions to all-black team ups?

 

[chamber-music]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r69/Rocksp/comics/TAHulk.jpg

To any comic book readers in this thread: are you offended by this?

Nope.

I honestly don't understand why people are offend by such trivial stuff so much.

Some folks have weird deep seated racial hang ups for whatever reason. Certain trivial stuff seems to trigger those kind of people.

I don't think the comic fan community is any more or less racist/prejudice than the rest of society.

 

[bell110]

I'm asking about the reactions to a team up of Asian characters.

They're all supposed to be Asian?

 

[DeadPresident]

Nope.

I honestly don't understand why people are offend by such trivial stuff so much.

Some folks have weird deep seated racial hang ups for whatever reason. Certain trivial stuff seems to trigger those kind of people.

I don't think the comic fan community is any more or less racist/prejudice than the rest of society.

Like wanting to see more people of their own race in fictional properties? It seems like a really prevalent discussion around here.

 

[RockSP]

You posted the all-Asian cast and (after some prompting from me) asked a question about people's theoretical reactions to an all-Black cast - referencing, and I quote, "vitriol". This clearly isn't a discussion on our favorite ice cream flavors. You posted that picture for a specific reason.

Nope. I posted that pic and asked any comic book readers (like myself) in this thread if they were offended by it. As I've already said some comic book readers in the past have for some strange reason been offended by black characters teaming up, so I was curious if they were offended by this as well.

Okay, and if we were to break down consumer demographics of comic book sales is it likely the vast majority would be white males? Economically, does it perhaps make sense? If a market comprising of 70% white people has media platforms primarily represented by whites, doesn't it make logical sense? People want to see their own identities mirrored in fiction, so if whites are a larger amount then certainly market size being correlated to actual demographics is rather logical…?

Heh, exactly. So if there are 20 books featuring white characters what is the point of being upset over a single book featuring non-white characters.

Hispanics are a higher percentage of the population of the US than black Americans, they're not getting a majority-Hispanic cast movie like Black Panther, are you outraged about that oversight in representation?

I'm not outraged period. That's you projecting again. But I'm all for latino superheroes getting some shine. Just like I've gone to see plenty of these movies starring whites and will go to see Black Panther, I'd go to see those films too (if they looked like they were good, that is). I've read comics starring latinos just like I read comics starring whoever else.

Also, I'd highly recommend you stop paying attention to what any fanboy say about anything, they're ****ing morons.

Discussing comic books is the main reason I joined this forum way back when.

How can I project that? Cute try, but you juxtaposed the Asian cast against the proposed and historic reaction to an all-black cast, so clearly the acceptance of an all-black cast as a team-up is an issue for you.

In other words you thought I was saying something I wasn't but now you can't admit it.

A similar example. There's a comic book based movie called Wanted that came out years ago starring James Mcavoy and Angelina Jolie. The character Jolie plays is black in the source material. I made a thread asking if people were upset about the "racebending" as it has become known. I asked that question based on the history of fans being upset when a character who is white in the comic gets turned black for the movie. Many fans would say they just want the characters to look like they do in the comic, so I was curious if that applied with Wanted since I wasn't seeing the usual outcries.

You're right, token roles for Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis are a huge deal. Luckily they cast one of them as the villainous white devil whites really are, amiright? Those same token roles I'd assume you would criticize were the black/white demographics in the movie reversed?

Heh. You certainly do assume...it's all you've been doing. That white devil comment is more of your projecting. And no I have no problem with Serkis being a villain. Why would I? The character he's playing is one of Black Panthers main enemies. Michael B. Jordan is also playing a villain.

So articulate your point then. Why did you post that picture in a thread on racism and then directly reference previous reactions to all-black team ups?

This is a thread about racism on a forum called SuperHeroHype. My question was about racism and superheroes.

 

[RockSP]

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