Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 2

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Alex Jones...

Isn't that the crazy guy who looks like he's 60 years old, but only 40? And he loves ripping his clothes off, and believes Hillary Clinton is planning his assassination, and that Obama is an illegal?

Or that...you know what, you get the idea. The man is insane.

 

[Matt]

Attention ****e Bernie Sanders held a rally last night in which he criticized the Clinton campaign for calling some of the Trump supporters deplorables. I refuse to accept that narrative. Clinton didn't fail to reach out to middle class white voters. That is a false narrative. Some Trump supporters, especially his primary voters, were angry, bitter white people who were motivated solely by their hatred of foreigners and their disdain over a black guy spending eight years in the White House. Sanders, since November, had tried to paint the narrative that Clinton calling that out is "identity politics" and failing to reach out to the working class. It's not. It is calling a spade a spade. Ignoring it is how Donald Trump gets normalized. Sanders constant attempt to usurp these types of voters shows what a desperate, power hungry, attention ****e he is. These voters have no place in the Democratic Party and I pray party leadership rejects Sanders's narrative. These people should not be normalized or put in the role of victim. They put our country in the greatest danger it has ever faced due to their xenophobia and racism. They are, simply put, deplorable.

 

[SV Fan]

Attention ****e Bernie Sanders held a rally last night in which he criticized the Clinton campaign for calling some of the Trump supporters deplorables. I refuse to accept that narrative. Clinton didn't fail to reach out to middle class white voters. That is a false narrative. Some Trump supporters, especially his primary voters, were angry, bitter white people who were motivated solely by their hatred of foreigners and their disdain over a black guy spending eight years in the White House. Sanders, since November, had tried to paint the narrative that Clinton calling that out is "identity politics" and failing to reach out to the working class. It's not. It is calling a spade a spade. Ignoring it is how Donald Trump gets normalized. Sanders constant attempt to usurp these types of voters shows what a desperate, power hungry, attention ****e he is. These voters have no place in the Democratic Party and I pray party leadership rejects Sanders's narrative. These people should not be normalized or put in the role of victim. They put our country in the greatest danger it has ever faced due to their xenophobia and racism. They are, simply put, deplorable.

Thing that annoyed me about the deplorable comment was people are such snowflakes(using their terms) taking offense to something that wasn't directed at them. If you listen to her exact comments she said half of his voters are deplorable. Now taking that comment literally 40% of the people in the Republican primary voted for him for a grand total of 14M voters. Half of those 14M voters = 7M deplorable. How is calling 7M out of 320M+ people(Americans) deplorable offensive? Clinton's fault was not doubling down on her statement and explaining it more(ie say well maybe I slightly overstated it and it wasn't 7M people maybe it's closer to 6M or even 5M but you get the f'n point)

 

[Matt Mortem]

I'm watching a live streamed conversation between Sanders, Perez and some voters and once again they're talking about coal miners and coal mining jobs. Why the **** are coal miners the most important voting demographic in the country? I'm sick and goddamn tired of coal miners dominating the conversation. It's not a huge industry anymore, yet every politician regardless of affiliation panders to them

 

[Sithborg]

Are they at least talking about unions?

The obsession with coal miners is weird. I am just guessing that they are symbolic for the whole rust belt.

 

[Matt]

I'm watching a live streamed conversation between Sanders, Perez and some voters and once again they're talking about coal miners and coal mining jobs. Why the **** are coal miners the most important voting demographic in the country? I'm sick and goddamn tired of coal miners dominating the conversation. It's not a huge industry anymore, yet every politician regardless of affiliation panders to them

Its pure pandering. Attention ****e Sanders has been trying to pander to the Trump crowd ever since an interview he gave the day after the election where he deemed the Democratic Party too hung up on identity politics (hmm, why on Earth would the black community be cool toward a man who shrugs off civil rights as "identity politics?"). The coal industry is dead. Not because of unfair trade deals. Not because of industry regulation. But simply because there are cheaper, cleaner, safer alternatives. More over, the coal that we do need can be obtained in higher quality and more cheaply through foreign import and their lack of regulation means that no matter how high the tariff, we can't compete.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Its pure pandering. Attention ****e Sanders has been trying to pander to the Trump crowd ever since an interview he gave the day after the election where he deemed the Democratic Party too hung up on identity politics (hmm, why on Earth would the black community be cool toward a man who shrugs off civil rights as "identity politics?"). The coal industry is dead. Not because of unfair trade deals. Not because of industry regulation. But simply because there are cheaper, cleaner, safer alternatives. More over, the coal that we do need can be obtained in higher quality and more cheaply through foreign import and their lack of regulation means that no matter how high the tariff, we can't compete.

That's what drives me nuts. They're pandering to an extreme minority in this country in a dying profession.

 

[AvengerPA]

If you only had one dime to your name, and you wanted to make a political donation, which of these two groups would you give your dime to?
1. AFL-CIO
2. Planned Parenthood

 

[hippie_hunter]

Planned Parenthood. I'm fully supportive of their medical services to impoverished women, even Trump gives them credit on that one.

 

[Marvolo]

If you only had one dime to your name, and you wanted to make a political donation, which of these two groups would you give your dime to?
1. AFL-CIO
2. Planned Parenthood

Planned Parenthood. That group probably needs the money more than some mega union.

 

[Matt]

AFL-CIO doesn't need money. Planned Parenthood does.

 

[Sithborg]

Yup. Planned Parenthood is likely going to be completely dependent on private funds.

 

[Marvolo]

That's what drives me nuts. They're pandering to an extreme minority in this country in a dying profession.

I just want a politician to publically say "Coal is dead. New and better energy sources make the death of the coal industry a certainty. Coal will go the way of the whale oil industry. Your dreams and hopes of dying of black lung will not come true."

 

[Sithborg]

Clean coal is a lie.

 

[Marvolo]

The coal is a lie! The coal is a lie!

 

[Matt]

Journalist Steve King: I never want to hear from Bernie Sanders again

Ouch. Great piece that demolishes Sanders.

 

[Matt]

I just want a politician to publically say "Coal is dead. New and better energy sources make the death of the coal industry a certainty. Coal will go the way of the whale oil industry. Your dreams and hopes of dying of black lung will not come true."

Clinton did say that. Unfortunately, being the consummate politician that she is, she immediately stepped back on the comments the moment she got hit with the backlash that comes with such a statement.

 

[Kelly]

I'm watching a live streamed conversation between Sanders, Perez and some voters and once again they're talking about coal miners and coal mining jobs. Why the **** are coal miners the most important voting demographic in the country? I'm sick and goddamn tired of coal miners dominating the conversation. It's not a huge industry anymore, yet every politician regardless of affiliation panders to them

Because that was one of the 4 demographics that lost the race for Dems, and a sector of the blue collar working class that Clinton specifically campaigned that their jobs would be gone in order for more environmentally friendly energy sources could be used. She flat out said in her speeches that the way of the coal miner was one that had no future. That demographic pulled out the vote in a big way in states that normally went blue, and were totally ignored by the Clinton campaign. Probably the biggest reason why she lost...

Hillary Clinton DIDN'T pander to them....quite the opposite, so you have politicians that were tied to her in any way trying to get that demographic back in the fold.

When the winner of the Presidency wins with just 26% of the population and the runner up was just a fraction behind, EVERY demographic big or small is important.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What Hillary should have done was lie to them, tell them she is going to bring back their jobs. Worked for the other guy.

 

[Thundercrack85]

It's very simple. If you want to be elected, suck coal miner ****. Yes, they're all going to die in those coal mines. Yes, their jobs are going to all be phased out in 10 years anyway. Yes, they're idiots. But it's just something you have to do.

Just tell them you love coal and that you're going to get their jobs back.

 

[Thundercrack85]

What Hillary should have done was lie to them, tell them she is going to bring back their jobs. Worked for the other guy.

He's taking away their healthcare and those morons still support him.

I love how even the Trump Administration thinks they're dimwits.

“The president finally got to the point where he said, ‘do I really want to make the coal miner in West Virginia, or the auto worker in Ohio, or the single mom in Detroit to pay for the National Endowment of the Arts or the Corporation for Public Broadcasting?’ And the answer is no,” White House Budget Director Mike Mulvaney said.

“Can we really continue to ask a coal miner in West Virginia or a single mom in Detroit to pay for these programs?” [Mulvaney] asked. “The answer was no. We can ask them to pay for defense and we will, but we can’t ask them to continue to pay for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.”

 

[auditor]

Attention ****e Bernie Sanders held a rally last night in which he criticized the Clinton campaign for calling some of the Trump supporters deplorables. I refuse to accept that narrative. Clinton didn't fail to reach out to middle class white voters. That is a false narrative. Some Trump supporters, especially his primary voters, were angry, bitter white people who were motivated solely by their hatred of foreigners and their disdain over a black guy spending eight years in the White House. Sanders, since November, had tried to paint the narrative that Clinton calling that out is "identity politics" and failing to reach out to the working class. It's not. It is calling a spade a spade. Ignoring it is how Donald Trump gets normalized. Sanders constant attempt to usurp these types of voters shows what a desperate, power hungry, attention ****e he is. These voters have no place in the Democratic Party and I pray party leadership rejects Sanders's narrative. These people should not be normalized or put in the role of victim. They put our country in the greatest danger it has ever faced due to their xenophobia and racism. They are, simply put, deplorable.

Im terrified of hiw these guys could change our party. We saw what the tea party did to fhe GOP.

Sanders voted against 2006 immigration reform and defended it during the debates against Clinton. He claimed they were stealing jobs. Isn't that a big gaffe? Why didn't the media talk about that? Where was the controversy followed by the eventual forced apology?

Imagine if Hillary had said that. Shed have been labeled racist by Sanders supporters.

 

[Schlosser85]

He's taking away their healthcare and those morons still support him.

I love how even the Trump Administration thinks they're dimwits.

“The president finally got to the point where he said, ‘do I really want to make the coal miner in West Virginia, or the auto worker in Ohio, or the single mom in Detroit to pay for the National Endowment of the Arts or the Corporation for Public Broadcasting?’ And the answer is no,” White House Budget Director Mike Mulvaney said.

“Can we really continue to ask a coal miner in West Virginia or a single mom in Detroit to pay for these programs?” [Mulvaney] asked. “The answer was no. We can ask them to pay for defense and we will, but we can’t ask them to continue to pay for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.”

The answer is, yes we can.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Perez is really irritating me with this litmus testing over abortion issues. This is not how you revitalize your party. You'd think by now they'd have learned to listen to Bernie, but I guess not...

 

[BatLobster]

I really hope Biden runs in 2020. Honestly, as long as he's up for it I think it makes a lot of sense.

Obama's popularity will probably be higher than ever if we do go a full 4 years under Trump.

Biden has the right balance of being a modern and progressive, without being too far to the left that it alienates people. He has the ability to appeal to and speak to the white middle class working man, which seems to be the coveted holy grail of the Democratic party right now in the Post-Trump era.

Post-Trump, his mouth, which used to be seen as a liability ends up seeming pretty tame. Him being a fighter is also a plus against Trump, who loves to dish it out but can't take it. He'd be the guy that stands up to the schoolyard bully and gives it back to him just as nastily. It's unfortunate that this has to be part of the equation, but that's the climate that Trump has created. We need someone with the balls to stand up to Trump, as well as the extreme fringes of the Democratic party and create a sustainable new base.

There's a sympathetic/redemption narrative there. He chose not to run because he lost his son, and ended up regretting it.

He's got the experience having served as VP for 8 years. I think after Trump, we'll be craving some stability. He can get a young rising star on the ticket with him.

Biden 2020, please.