🇺🇸 Discussion: Third Parties, The GREEN Party, The LIBERTARIAN Party, and Other Third Parties

[MagnarTheGreat]

No Labels Will Abandon 2024 Presidential Campaign Effort

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/no-labels-will-abandon-2024-presidential-campaign-effort-4b4e5121

So-called parties that can’t win at the state level or don’t even exist there…shouldn’t exist.

 

[DA_Champion]

There are legitimate concerns with both SSRIs and their possible overuse.

The assumption that we should give big pharma the benefit of the doubt is not a historically progressive position.

 

[InCali]

'F**king Idiot': Critics Rip Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Over Bonkers Mass Shooting Remarks

The independent presidential candidate called on the National Institutes of Health to study whether gun violence is connected to two unexpected factors.

www.huffpost.com

He blames mass shootings on video games and antidepressants (because he hates the pharmaceutical industry that makes vaccines).

This guy is one of the dumbest M***EFing morons I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. After listening to him 2 or 3 times, I just crossed him off the list of people who could string a sentence together. I could be wrong, but I think he's going to be completely irrelevant, or even a help to the Dems, in the general election once people hear some of the BS that excretes from his pie hole.....and I'm quite sure they will....

 

[Sithborg]

I think that's fair: liberals stop protesting injustices when they're committed by a Democratic president, so there's no domestic opposition on progressive issues.

When Obama was elected, people largely stopped protesting the Iraq war and federal torture facilities.

When Biden was elected, people largely stopped protesting Black Lives Matter, MeToo, and largely stopped worrying about COVID.

It's really too bad but it does seem like partisanship rules almost everything.

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But Kennedy could become a much better candidate by coming out against the Gaza conflict. I suspect that he too wants to please his donors.

It is not fair. It is self important bull****. He is saying being banned from social media is more dangerous than literally attacking Congress.

As for protests, it is amazing how people may not feel the need to protest as much if they feel the people in power is on their side. That said, there are still plenty of protests that go on, just not quite as big or newsworthy. And there is a variety of reasons why it may have lessoned after 2020. Also, expecting people to treat covid in 2024 the same as in 2020 is just not human nature.

 

[squeekness]

This guy is one of the dumbest M***EFing morons I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. After listening to him 2 or 3 times, I just crossed him off the list of people who could string a sentence together. I could be wrong, but I think he's going to be completely irrelevant, or even a help to the Dems, in the general election once people hear some of the BS that excretes from his pie hole.....and I'm quite sure they will....

He's completely off his rocker.

 

[blueharvest]

Let Me Rewrite That For You: NY Times Misinforms Readers About RFK & Biden

It’s been a few years since I last did a “Let me rewrite that for you” post. This idea was first suggested by the brilliant press critic Dan Froomkin. Basically, when he finds a bit of journalistic…

www.techdirt.com

 

[blueharvest]

RFK Jr. campaign says email defending Jan. 6 ‘activists’ was an error

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the independent candidate running for president, sent out a fundraising email Thursday that called the defendants who attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, “activists,” but h…

thehill.com

 

[Sithborg]

This guy is one of the dumbest M***EFing morons I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. After listening to him 2 or 3 times, I just crossed him off the list of people who could string a sentence together. I could be wrong, but I think he's going to be completely irrelevant, or even a help to the Dems, in the general election once people hear some of the BS that excretes from his pie hole.....and I'm quite sure they will....

He was picked because they thought he would be a Bernie like polarizing figure. Not really noticing that he talks more like a republican than a democrat.

 

[squeekness]

He was picked because they thought he would be a Bernie like polarizing figure. Not really noticing that he talks more like a republican than a democrat.

They also probably thought his last name was enough to cover the fact that he's a moron.

 

[InCali]

They also probably thought his last name was enough to cover the fact that he's a moron.

People who are extremists don't normally think they are extreme. They also think there are a lot more people like them than there really are.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

No Labels national director says he will vote for Joe Biden

Joe Cunningham says ‘I would vote for Biden over Trump’ after third-party group dropped effort to run own candidate

www.theguardian.com

 

[blueharvest]

Opinion | Terrified Parents, New Age Health Nuts, MAGA Exiles. Meet the R.F.K. Jr. Faithful.

Trump voters are picking up on his mix of New Age individualism, paranoia and intense nostalgia for the America of the 1960s.

www.nytimes.com

And here's the article without a paywall:

https://archive.is/XzEIG

 

[DA_Champion]

I think it makes sense for America's billionaires to support Kennedy.

It's an insurance policy in case one of Trump or Biden decides to grow a backbone. Kennedy can be shifted to sink either one.

For example, if Trump decides to genuinely critique Israel, Kennedy gets money and air time targeting Trump voters. Similarly for Biden.

Brilliant move by Bill Ackman and friends.

 

[blueharvest]

Nicole Shanahan has been quiet since being named RFK Jr.'s running mate

Shanahan, a lawyer and entrepreneur from California, has not held a public event since the big rollout putting her on Kennedy's ticket in mid-March.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[squeekness]

Embarrassed?

 

[blueharvest]

 

[DA_Champion]

They're not even close to leading in a single state.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

It'd be nice if we had a viable 3rd party here in the US. I'm left leaning, but think the Dems are way too centrist as of late.

 

[blueharvest]

They're not even close to leading in a single state.

Just as long as he doesn't take too many votes away from Biden. That's what I'm most worried about.

 

[DA_Champion]

Just as long as he doesn't take too many votes away from Biden. That's what I'm most worried about.

This looks like a good article, it shows that RFK's impact right now is largely neutral:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/whos-voting-robert-kennedy-jr

In my opinion, if RFK JR. costs Trump the election, the fault should lie with Trump, and if he costs Biden the election, the fault should lie with Biden. They're both weak candidates, who could be doing a lot more to inspire for a better future.

It'd be nice if we had a viable 3rd party here in the US. I'm left leaning, but think the Dems are way too centrist as of late.

It seems so unlikely. A third party would need to get a seat at the table in the Congress and Senate. Theoretically it could happen if blue dog (Manchin, Sinema, Rahm Emmanuel, etc) democrats formed a new party jointly with the Bush/Romney/Haley Republicans ... but I doubt they will. That would have a base among the political class and among billionaire donors, they would have a homogeneous political ideology, but voters don't actually like those people.

 

[InCali]

It'd be nice if we had a viable 3rd party here in the US. I'm left leaning, but think the Dems are way too centrist as of late.

Totally agree. The entire point of RFK Jr running really IS to take votes from Biden. Anyone who thinks the POINT of his running is to win is an absolute idiot. I happen to think that this attempt can be turned on its head by simply pointing out the positions of the candidates.

 

[Sithborg]

That's not exactly true. The sad fact is, even it the Dems retake the house, if it comes down to the House voting on it, Trump wins. Too many states that Biden may win will have Republican majorities in their congressional delegations.

They're not even close to leading in a single state.

I would have to look at the map that would require such a situation, but the point is to cost Biden enough electoral points to go to congress.

 

[InCali]

RFK Jr. says he can ‘make an argument’ that Biden is ‘greater threat’ to democracy than Trump

Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., said Monday that President Biden may be a “greater threat to democracy” than former President Trump, citing his own legal batt…

thehill.com

ANYONE can make an argument.......in Kennedy's case, his argument is just like the rest of the crap that spews from his mouth......delusional and stupid. The more you listen to this guy, the clearer it becomes that he's an absolute idiot.

 

[blueharvest]

RFK Jr. says Jan. 6 special counsel would ‘restore peace’

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Monday said he would appoint a special counsel to determine whether sentences for those convicted of charges related to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol were “appropri…

thehill.com

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, trying to appeal to literal traitors isn't going to siphon votes from Biden.