Disney's live-action "Mulan"

[MOVIELORD101]

Just wanna bring this up because of the release an a certain stupid hashtag trending, but.....
People are seriously boycotting this movie over **** from OVER A YEAR AGO? Despite EVERYTHING that's happening this year to THE REST OF THE WORLD WHICH IS FAR MORE SERIOUS?

Guys, it's a ****ing movie. And said movie isn't even ABOUT Hong Kong being oppressed. Did the director make that stupid comment? No. Did DISNEY make that comment? No. It was ONE ACTRESS and no one else involved. Besides, I DON'T LIVE IN HONG KONG! I live in the USA. I may not support what's the Chinese government is doing to people over in Hong Kong, but that shouldn't effect me watching a goddamn Disney movie. If you don't wanna watch the Mulan remake, FINE. I will. I'M ALLOWED, AS AN AMERICAN. Again, the movie has nothing to do with the bull**** happing in Hong Kong, so why should I boycott it because a bunch of whiners in America say I should (it doesn't even affect them, so unless some of them are Chinese-Americans, why are you boycotting over something that doesn't affect you)? We Americans have more dire stuff to deal with!

 

[DarkKnight88]

But again I'm sure we'll hear about all the records Mulan broke and yada yada. I do hope the movie is good. It looks a little bland from the marketing though

Exactly this. Disney will announce the “record breaking” opening week of sales, beating Trolls 2 or something.

But the truth will be if they do it again. If they do this again at $30 with a big release, we’ll know it was a success for them. If they don’t, then this wasn’t a success for them. They announced it was a one time thing, but that was only so they don’t have egg on their face if this doesn’t turn a profit for them.

 

[Prison Mike]

The only people who care about RT score are the ones who use it to defend their opinion (whether they think the movie is good or bad). Pretty sure the general audience doesn’t care.

 

[MadVillainy]

Just wanna bring this up because of the release an a certain stupid hashtag trending, but.....
People are seriously boycotting this movie over **** from OVER A YEAR AGO? Despite EVERYTHING that's happening this year to THE REST OF THE WORLD WHICH IS FAR MORE SERIOUS?

Guys, it's a ****ing movie. And said movie isn't even ABOUT Hong Kong being oppressed. Did the director make that stupid comment? No. Did DISNEY make that comment? No. It was ONE ACTRESS and no one else involved. Besides, I DON'T LIVE IN HONG KONG! I live in the USA. I may not support what's the Chinese government is doing to people over in Hong Kong, but that shouldn't effect me watching a goddamn Disney movie. If you don't wanna watch the Mulan remake, FINE. I will. I'M ALLOWED, AS AN AMERICAN. Again, the movie has nothing to do with the bull**** happing in Hong Kong, so why should I boycott it because a bunch of whiners in America say I should (it doesn't even affect them, so unless some of them are Chinese-Americans, why are you boycotting over something that doesn't affect you)? We Americans have more dire stuff to deal with!

It really doesn't seem like there needs to be this level of anger in this post

1) the whole "it's not happening in the US" logic is kinda silly because you don't have to live somewhere or be a part of something to care about some wrong doing.

2) You can still watch the movie if you want. Just because someone is asking you to boycott isn't saying that you can't decide to watch it if you personally want

3) What is users on SHH's obsession with Twitter? The number of people on this site who swear they dislike Twitter are always talking about it and complaining about what happens on there. Y'all know you can easily ignore what happens and just not pay attention to it. No one put a gun to your head and forces you to follow it. Besides Twitter is such a small microcosm of opinions and life, there's no reason getting this worked up over it. It's like taking 1000 people, 998 agreeing with you and then getting mad 2 people who don't.

I don't know the whole politics behind the Mulan thing, but it's not that big of a story. For sure not big enough of a deal to write a heated post which, very ironically, complains about whiners. I know I'm gonna watch it eventually

Go watch Mulan if you want to. It doesn't matter

EDIT: Wait. At least for me #BoycottMulan isn't even a top trending topic. So yeah it really doesn't matter. And most of the people calling for the Boycott seem to be East Asian people or people of East Asian descent. It doesn't seem like they're singling out Americans/the US for not boycotting

 

[MadVillainy]

The only people who care about RT score are the ones who use it to defend their opinion (whether they think the movie is good or bad). Pretty sure the general audience doesn’t care.

I don't think anyone was disputing that. The whole RT thing came up before a member for some reason got mad that I said I wish RT didn't bury the average score.

 

[Iceman]

Haven't been on Rotten Tomatoes in a while. I hate how they now kinda bury the Average Score now. It was bad enough it got ignored but it'll be even worse now. People still think 80% on RT mean the movie got an average rating of 8/10

80% and a score of 7/10 is pretty good for Mulan. Nothing spectacular.

I'm very interested in seeing how audiences respond. I always thought that this looked like the first Disney remake where it looks like they set out to actually make a movie and not just a soulless cash grab. However, the removal of the "fun" and beloved elements is very risky. Hope it pays off for them though. And at least, for the most part, it seems like it did quality wise.


Yeah in the US it's usually new $20 (for digital) to $25 (for Blu Ray) new movie purchases. Paying $30 makes no sense to me when you're just gonna watch it at home. And especially when it's going to be free/part of a subscription in 4 months.

I just don't get the logic of being "bored" enough to spend $30 on a movie you'll watch in your own home, you're not sure you'll enjoy, only is around 2 hours long, and will be no extra charge in 4 months if you're that curious. Besides there just being a lot of content out there to cure that boredom. Even newer content. This week/weekend alone: The Boys dropped their first 3 eps, that Raise By Wolves show is apparently pretty good and dropped 3 eps, AP Bio returned for season 3 on Peacock, I’m Thinking of Ending Things just came out on Netflix, Chef's Table: BBQ came out on Netflix, and if you're an NBA fan the semifinals are going off. Again that's just the new content...why would I pay $30 when it's not like I'm gonna get a theatrical experience, get out of the house, or get any of the benefits of going to the movies. Especially when I already pay for HBO Max, Netflix, etc. $30 isn't much for me at all. But even if I was Bill Gates rich, there are just better ways to waste $30

But to each their own and I hope everyone who rents it enjoys it.

I really hate that they bury it. The average rating is more important to me than if all the reviewers thought the film was at least half decent, with no indication of how enthused they were. I wish the site would give the average at least equal billing with the Tomatometer, especially when they've gone to the effort and done a good job of creating a useful aggregate measure.

I'm also interested in the film for the exact same reasons. I want them to try and make something more with the films rather than standard remakes, show some ambition, but at the same time the fun element is a massive part of the Disney appeal. Ideally there is a way of integrating both, but either way I'm interested to see the end product with this method and how it is received.

I'd be conflicted about paying $30 even for films I really want to see right now, rather than ones I'm happy to see any time. VoD doesn't have the attractions of the theatrical experience for me.

Yeah, $30 isn't much but every time I could see a new film on VoD I could spend that $30 on something that would yield a lot more value to me.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

It really doesn't seem like there needs to be this level of anger.

1) the whole "it's not happening in the US" logic is kinda silly because you don't have to live somewhere or be a part of something to care about some wrong doing.

2) You can still watch the movie if you want. Just because someone is asking you to boycott isn't saying that you can't decide to watch it if you personally want

3) What is users on SHH's obsession with Twitter? The number of people on this site who swear they dislike Twitter are always talking about it and complaining about what happens on there. Y'all know you can easily ignore what happens and just not pay attention to it. No one put a gun to your head and forces you to follow it. Besides Twitter is such a small microcosm of opinions and life, there's no reason getting this worked up over it. It's like taking 1000 people, 998 agreeing with you and then getting mad 2 people who don't.

I don't know the whole politics behind the Mulan thing, but it's not that big of a story. For sure not big enough of a deal to write a heated post which, very ironically, complains about whiners. I know I'm gonna watch it eventually

Go watch Mulan if you want to. It doesn't matter

Fair enough. And yeah, it was over a small point of controversy that people in America have been trying to snowball for a year now just to stick it to Disney. Even though Disney's not at fault here. That's why I'm complaining/

 

[MadVillainy]

Other than Little Mermaid what are teh next planned Disney Live action remakes?
They claim they're working on Beauty and the Beast 2, Jungle Book 2, and Aladdin 2. But are there any non sequels other than TLM in production?

Exactly this. Disney will announce the “record breaking” opening week of sales, beating Trolls 2 or something.

But the truth will be if they do it again. If they do this again at $30 with a big release, we’ll know it was a success for them. If they don’t, then this wasn’t a success for them. They announced it was a one time thing, but that was only so they don’t have egg on their face if this doesn’t turn a profit for them.

I can see them doing this with BW maybe. The new Pixar movie "Soul" I'm sure will get a PVOD release. I don't get why they did it with Mulan, but if they're willing to do this with Mulan I can see Widow getting the same treatment.

But then strangely they were willing to push The King's Man back and that seems like they weren't gonna make tons off that anyway. But that was a FOX movie so maybe it's in the same boat as New Mutants

I really hate that they bury it. The average rating is more important to me than if all the reviewers thought the film was at least half decent, with no indication of how enthused they were. I wish the site would give the average at least equal billing with the Tomatometer, especially when they've gone to the effort and done a good job of creating a useful aggregate measure.

They wouldn't get as many clicks or stay in the convo as much that way probably. That's why they do it I think.

II'd be conflicted about paying $30 even for films I really want to see right now, rather than ones I'm happy to see any time. VoD doesn't have the attractions of the theatrical experience for me.

Yeah, $30 isn't much but every time I could see a new film on VoD I could spend that $30 on something that would yield a lot more value to me.

Yeah this year was weird with movies even before the virus, because I didn't have that much I was looking forward to other than TENET and Dune. But yeah I can't see spending $30 for a movie I like to not really really own it

 

[Iceman]

I'd be tempted with CBMs just because I want to discuss them with everyone here at the time they come out. Otherwise there's plenty to watch till films become free on these services.

 

[MadVillainy]

Even CBMs...I can wait 2-4 months. Maybe some years ago during Logan and The Infinity Saga I'd be different, but yeah I can wait a while to discuss the movies.
I just can't reconcile paying or chipping in for $30 for a movie to watch at home and not own.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I can see them doing this with BW maybe. The new Pixar movie "Soul" I'm sure will get a PVOD release. I don't get why they did it with Mulan, but if they're willing to do this with Mulan I can see Widow getting the same treatment.

Maybe. But it's what's so interesting about the coming weeks. I'm sure they'll weigh their sales from this $30 experiment and see how Tenet is doing worldwide at the theatre.

If they keep Black Widow or Soul as theatrical releases, I would gage that this way of release wasn't a success for them regardless of how well it does its opening week.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

Asked a few of my moochers to chip in a few bucks that amounted to half the cost. Meets my middle ground of sticking it to Disney for Premier Access on principle and #DeathToTheatricalWindows

 

[Prison Mike]

I don’t think they will do this with BW. I think this was a one-off. They’re probably waiting to see how Tenet does and how many people are willing to go back to the theaters. I have a feeling that Disney wasn’t very confident that Mulan would make bank if pushed back to next year so it was a pretty good experiment with PVOD given the size of the movie (compared to BW). The only thing I disagree with their strategy is why let people know this will be free on December 4th? I thought that was a very big mistake on their part. The price tag, though, I get why it’s that high and honestly I think I would pay that for Black Widow and possibly No Time to Die.

 

[DarkKnight88]

The only thing I disagree with their strategy is why let people know this will be free on December 4th? I thought that was a very big mistake on their part. The price tag, though, I get why it’s that high and honestly I think I would pay that for Black Widow and possibly No Time to Die.

Can you imagine the backlash though if they didn't let people know ahead of the release? That's not good press for them.

But yeah, they should've just left it at the regular $20 or whatever.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't think the knowledge of it being no extra charge in December is that well known though. I didn't see it reported that much. But I could be wrong.

Don't know why they did it either though. Very very weird strategy.

 

[Prison Mike]

Up until last night, when I went into my Disney+ app and clicked on Mulan, I saw that December 4th note. It was gone this morning but it’s been there until last night for me.

 

[MadVillainy]

Oh i didn't know that was in app

EDIT: Yeah it's still there

Disney what is you doing?

 

[Iceman]

Even CBMs...I can wait 2-4 months. Maybe some years ago during Logan and The Infinity Saga I'd be different, but yeah I can wait a while to discuss the movies.
I just can't reconcile paying or chipping in for $30 for a movie to watch at home and not own.

I think for Avengers films and LotR I’d do it. For solo films it would be for the talk with people here if I went ahead. Probably would for something like the new Batman but not for the recent Hellboy.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah I have to say, the idea of paying $30 to watch a movie at home that will be available in a non-inflated way just months later makes absolutely no sense to me. I feel it's really insulting the customer's intelligence to charge that much without even attempting to give any added value to the experience. To each their own if some people are just that hungry for it, but yeah.

 

[Kon]

Yeah I have to say, the idea of paying $30 to watch a movie at home that will be available in a non-inflated way just months later makes absolutely no sense to me. I feel it's really insulting the customer's intelligence to charge that much without even attempting to give any added value to the experience. To each their own if some people are just that hungry for it, but yeah.

Well, they are even revealing to you the date that you can watch Mulan for free (if you have Disney+), so I don't know how this is insulting.

In itself, they give you the option to see the film 3 months before for $ 30. If you don't want to, you know when they will release it for free.

 

[Holy Slapper]

This is definitely getting review bombed in the Audience score at RT. I saw yesterday already there were almost 100 scores when it wasn't even out yet.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Welp. I just bought it. Hopefully I won’t come back in 2 hours like...

 

[Silvermoon]

I went ahead bought access to it (my mom is having surgery next week that, to be perfectly honest, I have no idea how it's going to go - hoping and praying for the best to be sure, but there are risks in her situation). So figured, the cost of buying it would've been about the cost for all of us to go to the theater and see it, which we can't do in the current environment, so wanted to have something nice to watch as a family this weekend.

 

[flickchick85]

Hope your mom's surgery goes well, @Silvermoon .

 

[BeserkerHilf]

I think many are failing to grasp that this is ultimately a barometer test for them to gauge if they can release big budget titles if/when theatergoing is back in full swing. Will they make enough through D+PA that they can leverage this release model simultaneously with a theatrical release? You don't need to leave the house, but still get to participate in the discussion. They won't continue making big scale productions for streaming service pricing. So you'll either get more Noelle's or Lady and the Tramp's, or get to see Black Widow at home if you prefer.

At that rate, it's not Disney denying your choice of venue, it's NATO as a collective. AMC/Regal/Cinemark can't continue ignoring theaters are unsafe venues filled to the brim with inconsiderate audience members and from my experience, an AV presentation less-immersive than my home.