The Dark Knight Do we know too much..way too soon?

[Gianakin_]

I didn't care for all the graffiti but oh well most european cities are chalk full of it.

I am the opposite I loathed the prequels and I hated how they forced Bobba fett in there le sigh

Yeah, I don't like the punk graffitis, either.
I'll drop the SW convo, I already hijacked another thread with that.

I think that even if we know the full script, there's still much lacking to consider the movieruined for us. The movie is not ruined until you download it and see it in crappy cam quality.

 

[darknight7]

Come on TheBatman...dont just leave me hanging here bud...Im trying to eat my own foot here...cool?

--dk7

 

[Golgo-13]

No, we don't.

I'm sick and tired of people being negative about everything that happens. When we aren't getting any info, all everyone can talk about is how Nolan's secrecy is ruining TDK's hype. When they do finally give us something, we complaint that it's too much. Stop thinking, stop demanding, and just ride the wave.

Well i personally never complained about not knowing enough, so it doesn't apply to me.

I was just comparing how much was leaked a year before BB came out, compared to what's being leaked about TDK. It seems to me the TDK is doing a pretty sloppy job as far as secrecy is concerned. Hell, everyone though BB was called 'Intimidation Game' until close to the time the first teaser was released.

I just don't want my beloved Batman franchise to end up being seen my the masses well before it's big screen debut ala Spiderman 3. And yeah, i agree with everyone else SM3 would have sucked regardless. The one thing TDK seems to have going for it, is it will probably rock regardless of what get's leaked.

They'e done a hell of a job re-booting this franchise, i don't want them to get sloppy with it now.

And P.S- i know this a spoiler forum ppl. I was commenting on 'how much were getting' so early, not that were actual getting stuff, per say.

 

[ultimatefan]

We certainly know a lot less than we did about BB, at least there was no script draft leak this time.

 

[Golgo-13]

We certainly know a lot less than we did about BB, at least there was no script draft leak this time.

True..but we've seen alot more, earlier. One could have argued that the leaked BB script could have had things changed as it was being shot. The pics and whatnot we've seen for TDK will more than likely actually be in the final cut of the movie...

 

[sasquatchs]

They're not film frames, and most of them look posed. They're all scenes we already know about anyway, no new plot points, just visual details that don't make much sense to people on their own.

 

[ultimatefan]

True..but we've seen alot more, earlier. One could have argued that the leaked BB script could have had things changed as it was being shot. The pics and whatnot we've seen for TDK will more than likely actually be in the final cut of the movie...

Not really, things change a lot between what´s been shot and what makes it into the final movie. Even things in trailers sometimes don´t make it to the movie.

 

[Golgo-13]

Not really, things change a lot between what´s been shot and what makes it into the final movie. Even things in trailers sometimes don´t make it to the movie.

Hope that's true..still got a bad feeling about this one. I hate being negative so early about a hero i love so much, but with the laundrey of villans in this one, i'm having SM3 type deja vu.

 

[ultimatefan]

Hope that's true..still got a bad feeling about this one. I hate being negative so early about a hero i love so much, but with the laundrey of villans in this one, i'm having SM3 type deja vu.

I don´t see that, Joker is clearly the main villain, Scarecrow and Two-Face from all we seen have small appearances at best. BB had a bunch of bad guys and it was no problem.

 

[sasquatchs]

Hope that's true..still got a bad feeling about this one. I hate being negative so early about a hero i love so much, but with the laundrey of villans in this one, i'm having SM3 type deja vu.

Why? Only one villain needs setup and there's almost the whole film for that. The rest of them just exist as they are, without explanation, to add color to the universe

 

[Gianakin_]

The difference is that the Nolans aren't going to explore every villain's origin to death, like in SM3. Scarecrow we know, Maroni will have no origin (something like Falcone), I doubt they're going to delve that deep into the Joker (I believe the most info we'll know will come from Bats and the police) and Two Face will come at the end. Until then, exploring Dent won't be a problem. Plus, I doubt that the gangs will have much character development- if at all.

 

[Golgo-13]

Why?

Just a hunch. Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow were walking very closely on the too 'under-developed' line. I know Scarecrows background wasn't touched upon nearly as much as Ghul's but that's because BB was still delving into Batman's background and motives. That was two backgrounds that were really covered in BB. Now in TDK we have Joker, Dent(?), possibly deeper inklings into Scarecrows background, Maroni, possibly AMH (?). I agree that the gangs don't need any info but still, this is alot to cover. One or two of those characters will be short changed on the developement to make room for the other. Some will not be happy about that.

 

[sasquatchs]

Seems very likely that Maroni, Scarecrow, and Joker won't get anything. They don't really need to be explained beyond what naturally comes out in conversation. Batman and Gordon will probably spend the entire film trying to understand Joker, and not come up with anything.

No need for flashbacks or origins to explain characters, same as most other films. Spidermans wacky villains need much more setup.

 

[itsthebatman]

Seems very likely that Maroni, Scarecrow, and Joker won't get anything. They don't really need to be explained beyond what naturally comes out in conversation. Batman and Gordon will probably spend the entire film trying to understand Joker, and not come up with anything.

No need for flashbacks or origins to explain characters, same as most other films. Spidermans wacky villains need much more setup.

Do you have any info on Maroni's role? I read another post of your that said he drove the story - where'd you get that from?

 

[itsthebatman]

True..but we've seen alot more, earlier. One could have argued that the leaked BB script could have had things changed as it was being shot. The pics and whatnot we've seen for TDK will more than likely actually be in the final cut of the movie...

But we don't know their context - what stage of the movie is Joker caught, for instance, or just how Batman appears at Bruce Wayne's party. So, we knew the plot dynamics and story of BB at this stage three years ago.

 

[bstringer]

Do we know too much...way too soon? Simple answer. Yes.

thats why Im very cautious as to what I read around here. Im avoiding reading the plot spoilers.

 

[Golgo-13]

But we don't know their context - what stage of the movie is Joker caught, for instance, or just how Batman appears at Bruce Wayne's party. So, we knew the plot dynamics and story of BB at this stage three years ago.

That's my concern. I believe that within the next 3 months, we WILL know their context. And putting those two pieces of the puzzle together will greatly water down the movie going experience..for me anyhow.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'm not sure about "we" simply because I'm not reading every set report and clicking major spoiler threads. I do, however, think the pictures look great but don't know what's going on in all of them. But I actually don't know what the plot of this film is at all. If you asked me all I could tell you is Batman against the Joker who's causing mayhem and chaos.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

You know because you want. If you don't want to know anything about the plot stay away of the spoiler reports. Just like I do.

 

[strikezone89]

Just give me the script!!!!!!!!

agreed

 

[strikezone89]

double post sorry!

 

[Diablo101]

If it wasn't for the pics, I would say no. But the leaked pics have somewhat shown a lot more than we should.

I hope we don't get any more information until the teaser/trailer in December.

 

[FreeRadical]

The difference is that the Nolans aren't going to explore every villain's origin to death, like in SM3. Scarecrow we know, Maroni will have no origin (something like Falcone), I doubt they're going to delve that deep into the Joker (I believe the most info we'll know will come from Bats and the police) and Two Face will come at the end. Until then, exploring Dent won't be a problem. Plus, I doubt that the gangs will have much character development- if at all.

That's what I liked about Batman Begins. The villains (Falconi and Scarecrow) were just 'there' already committing crime with no personal connection to Batman.
It's sad how in the original Batman films, as well as the Spider-man films the villains knew or ended up knowing the hero's identity.

It's strange how that never happened in Batman & Robin.....

 

[Gianakin_]

Well, at least up until SM2 the villains who knew died (not sure about Ock): The Joker, Penguin, Shreck, Two-FAce. Well, the Riddler went mad and, well.... Catwoman knows I guess, huh?
Now, Sandman knows and he was let free for no apparent reason. Bad for the job, Pete.
It's the girls who get to keep knowing ho the heroes are. It's as if they're being pushed not to fall for a girl.

 

[FreeRadical]

Well, at least up until SM2 the villains who knew died (not sure about Ock): The Joker, Penguin, Shreck, Two-FAce. Well, the Riddler went mad and, well.... Catwoman knows I guess, huh?
Now, Sandman knows and he was let free for no apparent reason. Bad for the job, Pete.
It's the girls who get to keep knowing ho the heroes are. It's as if they're being pushed not to fall for a girl.

The problem is that films need a beginning, middle and end: Villian's and hero's origin connected with each other, then they fight, then at the end they reveal each others identies.
I am actually glad the Scarecrow is returning. The only superhero movie series that has a recurring villian is Superman (Lex Luthor).....oh and Fantastic Four (Dr Doom a.k.a DINO)