Do You Believe In Evolution?

[Magenta666]

That means they had an extra 2 years and 164 days to spread evil!

be the evil you want to see in the world

 

[ih8nyy]

That means they had an extra 2 years and 164 days to spread evil!

Sinner.

 

[Darthphere]

You have some sort of clash with the Message version? Fine; here's the same thing, in the King James no less...

"And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

Give us the book, chapter and verse. Damn dude, you're dense.

 

[Magenta666]

Sinner.

hawt

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
the Sinners are much more fun...

 

[Magenta666]

Give us the book, chapter and verse. Damn dude, you're dense.

if your gonna do that, then ask for the original latin.

 

[Darthphere]

if your gonna do that, then ask for the original latin.

I may have to.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

It's quite simple, really. Human beings are incapable of avoiding sin strictly by their own willpower. God created us to need Him, among other reasons. All God ever wanted was a family that would choose to love, honor, and obey Him because they wanted to, not out of fear.

Not out of fear? The whole Christian religion is based on the fear that you'll go to hell when you die to burn for all eternity if you don't do everything God says.

Sure, it does. Sin requires punishment, with no exceptions. Scripture makes it very clear, multiple times: "the wages of sin is death". Disobedience led Adam & Eve to spiritually die at the Fall, and eventually they physically died as well. As their descendants, we are bound to that. God loves us incredibly, so much that He sent His only Son to take our penalty upon Himself. Jesus was brutally and bloodily murdered by humans, even though He'd never done a sinful thing in His whole life. He was sent to be the blood sacrifice for our weaknesses, so that through Him we could be reconciled. He took upon Himself that which we all rightfully deserve.

Hell yeah, sin requires punishment, we're still paying for Adam and Eve's mistake back at the beginning of time. Seriously if God's so forgiving why is there original sin? The sin that basically says we're born as scumbags in God's eyes, until our parents get us baptised. I can understand as we go through life we can collect a whole bunch of sins, but I don't like the idea that I've sinned by being born.

That is your choice, just as others have theirs...and God will respect it. He will not force those who truly wish for separation to endure His kingdom for all eternity.

This sounds like such a spoiled baby approach. "You don't like my way of doing things, fine, I'll just take my bat and ball and go home!"

As far as the whole evolution topic, yes I believe in evolution, not just because of science, but I think the truth is evident in everyday life. Just look at viruses especially the flu virus, it's constantly evolving and growing stronger so we need to make better vaccines to stop it. Every year I get hayfever in the fall and every year I've gotta find a new type of medicine to keep it under control because my body or hayfever has found out how to bypass (or evolved past) last year's medicine.

 

[ih8nyy]

hawt

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
the Sinners are much more fun...

Only the good die young!

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Give us the book, chapter and verse. Damn dude, you're dense.

Genesis 6:3...just as I said to begin with.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Not out of fear? The whole Christian religion is based on the fear that you'll go to hell when you die to burn for all eternity if you don't do everything God says.

No, you only go to hell for rejecting Jesus christ. If salvation were dependent on perfect obedience, every single one of us would be in hell, no questions asked. God already knows we're incapable of doing that, so He sent His Son to pay the penalty for our crimes.

Hell yeah, sin requires punishment, we're still paying for Adam and Eve's mistake back at the beginning of time.

We inherited their broken nature, but the sins we're paying for are our own. think of any time you've ever lied, cheated, stolen, lusted, etc...even one transgression violates God's standard of perfection, which is why we need Christ.

Seriously if God's so forgiving why is there original sin?

Because humans chose to disobey God in favor of having their own way. Adam & Eve could've asked God for the knowledge they desired, but they chose to take it for themselves through sin.

The sin that basically says we're born as scumbags in God's eyes, until our parents get us baptised.

hough we are all born under the Eden curse and a fallen nature, small children are seen as innocent in God's eyes, because they haven't been taught of the separation between right and wrong.

 

[chaseter]

edit...

 

[dark_b]

Everyone thought the world was flat. That was far to easy of an explanation at one point. Everyone thought the world was the center of the Universe (which oddly it is mentioned in the Bible that it is), and that was far to easy of an explanation. The Church even prosecuted scientists who had different beliefs like our good friend Galileo, condemning him for having different ideals, correct ideals to be ironically factual. The list goes on and on between Religion fighting Science and Science winning. Now we are at the point of evolution. Religious leaders say it doesn't exist but scientists say it does. Now with the previous track record...all it will take is time before science slaps them in the face and they realize that they were wrong.

i saw a documentary a long time ago. it was about how teh church was very big and powerfull back in the days. and they really didnt like the inovative ideas and scientist.

i dont knwo if its true but they said that there is a huge chance that teh curch really destroyed a lot of things and pushed us back. thank god today it is not anymore like that. we learn and we dont have to belive in god.

we have a choice

p.s. if there is a GOD then at the gate i will tell him that he is a hypocrite. of course i will go to hell. but i have a feeling that hell is like hardcore porno but heaven is more like a soft porno.
you know where i am getting ..........

 

[dark_b]

No, you only go to hell for rejecting Jesus christ. If salvation were dependent on perfect obedience, every single one of us would be in hell, no questions asked. God already knows we're incapable of doing that, so He sent His Son to pay the penalty for our crimes.

We inherited their broken nature, but the sins we're paying for are our own. think of any time you've ever lied, cheated, stolen, lusted, etc...even one transgression violates God's standard of perfection, which is why we need Christ.

Because humans chose to disobey God in favor of having their own way. Adam & Eve could've asked God for the knowledge they desired, but they chose to take it for themselves through sin.

hough we are all born under the Eden curse and a fallen nature, small children are seen as innocent in God's eyes, because they haven't been taught of the separation between right and wrong.

you are talking in general? or do you knwo him?

i think there a re a lot of people on this world who dont belive in God and are still...............................GOOD PEOPLE.
i also know that a lot of those people are doing a lot of good things.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

No, you only go to hell for rejecting Jesus christ. If salvation were dependent on perfect obedience, every single one of us would be in hell, no questions asked. God already knows we're incapable of doing that, so He sent His Son to pay the penalty for our crimes.

So can I do whatever I want as long as I accept that Jesus died for my sins. I'm not capable of being a decent human anyways in God's eyes only his son was good enough (though aren't we all God's children, what makes Jesus so special). So let it be know I accept Jesus lived and died for my sins, consider my debt paid in full, now I'll just go get me some premarital sex!

We inherited their broken nature, but the sins we're paying for are our own. think of any time you've ever lied, cheated, stolen, lusted, etc...even one transgression violates God's standard of perfection, which is why we need Christ.

Then why is it called original SIN, not broken nature.

Because humans chose to disobey God in favor of having their own way. Adam & Eve could've asked God for the knowledge they desired, but they chose to take it for themselves through sin.

Yeah, but God should have given us knowledge, instead he gave a curiosity, then said this whole world is yours for the taking except that one tree, never go near it. They didn't know what knowledge was and he passively denied them knowledge, we didn't know what we were missing so we couldn't ask for it.

Though we are all born under the Eden curse and a fallen nature, small children are seen as innocent in God's eyes, because they haven't been taught of the separation between right and wrong.

No, we're not I went to a baptism last weekend, we're born under a cloud of sin because Adam and Eve sinned. We're born with that flaw and need to be baptised or cleansed of that original sin, again, it's called original SIN, not broken or fallen nature. If what you're saying is true babies shouldn't need to be baptised.

 

[Majic Walrus]

but if you know it how do you know there is one?

What? What does that even mean?

 

[Majic Walrus]

So can I do whatever I want as long as I accept that Jesus died for my sins. I'm not capable of being a decent human anyways in God's eyes only his son was good enough (though aren't we all God's children, what makes Jesus so special). So let it be know I accept Jesus lived and died for my sins, consider my debt paid in full, now I'll just go get me some premarital sex!



Then why is it called original SIN, not broken nature.



Yeah, but God should have given us knowledge, instead he gave a curiosity, then said this whole world is yours for the taking except that one tree, never go near it. They didn't know what knowledge was and he passively denied them knowledge, we didn't know what we were missing so we couldn't ask for it.



No, we're not I went to a baptism last weekend, we're born under a cloud of sin because Adam and Eve sinned. We're born with that flaw and need to be baptised or cleansed of that original sin, again, it's called original SIN, not broken or fallen nature. If what you're saying is true babies shouldn't need to be baptised.

Adam and Eve sinning is not biblically the original sin.

 

[Magenta666]

What? What does that even mean?

i'm sorry, i meant to say 'if you dont know what it is, how do you know there is one'

(replying to the "i know there is a truth, even if i dont know what it is" comment)

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Adam and Eve sinning is not biblically the original sin.

Okay, what's original sin then and why do I have to be batised or cleansed of it when I'm born.

 

[Magenta666]

Okay, what's original sin then and why do I have to be batised or cleansed of it when I'm born.

blame the women

 

[Carcharodon]

Genesis 6:3...just as I said to begin with.

Okay, so there's another verse proven false. Awesome.

 

[Majic Walrus]

i'm sorry, i meant to say 'if you dont know what it is, how do you know there is one'

(replying to the "i know there is a truth, even if i dont know what it is" comment)

Oh! No worries. I dig it now.

I do not know that there is a truth to be known. However the very essence of the word truth as we know it defines that it must be an absolute. Futhermore I believe that there is a truth.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Okay, what's original sin then and why do I have to be batised or cleansed of it when I'm born.

Biblically the original sin was perpetrated by "The Devil" "Lucifer" "The Serpent"

And there's no reason that you should be cleansed of that. Sin was in "the world" long before Adam and Eve ate the so-called fruit.

 

[The Battousai]

To imply that God was created at some distant pre-Earth time would be the same as saying He isn't all-powerful. God is not bound by space, matter, or time, as we are. He has no beginning and no end, for He is the embodiment of both. He created everything. He has always existed, and He always will.

Escapism at its finest

 

[Bill]

Not very far from what evolutionists do every day. The only main difference is that they have the backing of the federal government, whereas many creationists don't.

Don't forget the backing of mounds of empirical evidence, which the creationists also don't.

 

[Bill]

It's quite simple, really. Human beings are incapable of avoiding sin strictly by their own willpower. God created us to need Him, among other reasons. All God ever wanted was a family that would choose to love, honor, and obey Him because they wanted to, not out of fear.

Then God is not perfect. Because a perfect being has neither needs nor wants.

Sure, it does. Sin requires punishment, with no exceptions. Scripture makes it very clear, multiple times: "the wages of sin is death". Disobedience led Adam & Eve to spiritually die at the Fall, and eventually they physically died as well. As their descendants, we are bound to that. God loves us incredibly, so much that He sent His only Son to take our penalty upon Himself. Jesus was brutally and bloodily murdered by humans, even though He'd never done a sinful thing in His whole life. He was sent to be the blood sacrifice for our weaknesses, so that through Him we could be reconciled. He took upon Himself that which we all rightfully deserve.

Actually, curiosity and deception led Adam and Eve to spiritually die at the Fall. They lacked the knowledge and conscious necessary to understand obedience.

And the idea of a perfect loving god sacrificing anything is abhorrent and a contradiction. But God's hands are bloody with it.

He created us, which means He has the final say. His authority is above everything, and it will be enforced in full someday, whether we like it or not.

So say the men who wrote those words.

An entirely perfect being cannot lie; as such, whatever God says is truth.

But, since God has needs and wants, he is not perfect.

That is your choice, just as others have theirs...and God will respect it. He will not force those who truly wish for separation to endure His kingdom for all eternity.

But he doesn't mind sending them to hell. I suppose if you're willing to kill your own son, you wouldn't have any qualms about sending those who choose to actually exercise their supposedly "free" will to an eternity of torment.