Do You Believe We're In The"Last Days"?

[Danalys]

different perspective on the same thing. which is the contextual difference the situational difference. they are all synominous.

 

[jaguarr]

different perspective on the same thing. which is the contextual difference the situational difference. they are all synominous.

They're not synonymous and you're actually arguing in favor of my side of the debate. Perception alters the context on a person by person basis, therefore they are not syonymous but individual and unique.

jag

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Do you believe we are living in the "Last Days" that are described in the book of revelation?

Maybe,the world is about to fall appart and natural disasters are happing more than in the past few decades.If God is to send Jesus to this world to save those who are worth salvation,then fine.The world is over populated anyway.

 

[Danalys]

They're not synonymous and you're actually arguing in favor of my side of the debate.

jag

they are conceptually synonymous. they just apply to different experiences but they work exactly the same way. i 'm thinking you can't see the forest for the trees. or if i said two trees were the same you would say they were different. but i would say they are the same and on a fundamental level they are they just grew in different places. that is if they aren't too dissimilar in genotype.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

jag, don't even argue with him

I am a conceptual genius.

He's right, regardless of how right you are.

 

[Danalys]

even beyond you to follow this conceptual relation then wil. this how you ace an IQ test you see the similaritities between all things and use the same techniques on all of them.

your personal knowledge of others is dependant on your own view point. so in a platos cave way it is only your perspective or context or situation that is real to you.

 

[jaguarr]

they are conceptually synonymous. they just apply to different experiences but they work exactly the same way. i 'm thinking you can't see the forest for the trees. or if i said two trees were the same you would say they were different. but i would say they are the same and on a fundamental level they are they just grew in different places. that is if they aren't too dissimilar in genotype.

You are arguing that context is completely unaffected by perception in any capacity which is incorrect and flawed at it's root. It's not seeing the forest FROM the trees. It's seeing the forest AND the trees. And is Plato's Cave the only only allegory you know? You bring it up often enough in the midst of arguments, sometimes in an irrelevant context, that I simply have to ask.

jag, don't even argue with him



He's right, regardless of how right you are.

jag

 

[Danalys]

You are arguing that context is completely unaffected by perception in any capacity which is incorrect and flawed at it's root. It's not seeing the forest FROM the trees. It's seeing the forest AND the trees. And is Plato's Cave the only only allegory you know? You bring it up often enough in the midst of arguments, sometimes in an irrelevant context, that I simply have to ask.






jag

i brought it up twice and that because it's something you might know. it was usefull now. again as before.

the phrase is seeing the forest from the trees when i learnt it. the idea is that you are up in the trees and have perspective of the whole forest. but the canopy masks the details so only in shifting perspective can you know the forest in entirity.

nice tactic of presuming i'm wrong and then working from there tho. shame for you i actually know what i'm talking about and know a self consitant arguement when i see one. shift your perspective sometime. the true logical way is to presume your oponant right and take it to it's natural obserdity. you can't so you don't try. you've lost before you've begun. because your technique is the reverse of the intelligent way to do things..

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

this how you ace an IQ test

I took an I.Q. test once and afterwards I instantly saw how useless they are because my score was so high. If you're smart, you're aware of the fact that you don't really know anything useful and that the "dumb and happy" are to be envied.
And dude, you've got to let go of the "Plato's Cave" gimmick. Regardless of how apt it may feel, you're starting to sound like a kid who read a book once.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I just saw a special on CNN about this. Besides the "oh so surprising" war in the Middle East, what other apocalyptic signs have occured?

 

[Sasquatch]

I ate a pizza and saturated it with the hot pepper sprinkles. The next day, in the bathroom, it felt like it was the end of the world.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I just saw a special on CNN about this. Besides the "oh so surprising" war in the Middle East, what other apocalyptic signs have occured?

LOL "UNREST IN THE MIDDLE EAST!...REPENT!"

Hahahaha

 

[Danalys]

I took an I.Q. test once and afterwards I instantly saw how useless they are because my score was so high. If you're smart, you're aware of the fact that you don't really know anything useful and that the "dumb and happy" are to be envied.
And dude, you've got to let go of the "Plato's Cave" gimmick. Regardless of how apt it may feel, you're starting to sound like a kid who read a book once.

to learn to be smart and happy is better but more difficult. gift curse weight of the world etc.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I ate a pizza and saturated it with the hot pepper sprinkles. The next day, in the bathroom, it felt like it was the end of the world.

That was ultimately your fault and death awaits you.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

LOL "UNREST IN THE MIDDLE EAST!...REPENT!"

Hahahaha

Dude, I like how as a once Christian and a current Christian we can jovially poke fun at some of the crazy aspects of the religion and not wanna kill each other.

 

[jaguarr]

i brought it up twice and that because it's something you might know. it was usefull now. again as before.

the phrase is seeing the forest from the trees when i learnt it. the idea is that you are up in the trees and have perspective of the whole forest. but the canopy masks the details so only in shifting perspective can you know the forest in entirity.

nice tactic of presuming i'm wrong and then working from there tho. shame for you i actually know what i'm talking about and know a self consitant arguement when i see one. shift your perspective sometime. the true logical way is to presume your oponant right and take it to it's natural obserdity. you can't so you don't try. you've lost before you've begun. because your technique is the reverse of the intelligent way to do things..

I'd say it's you that's trapped in Plato's Cave, to be honest. As far as the forest and the trees thing, I was simply saying that you should see both, not focus on one or the other. Sorry you missed that. You were too busy being "right" and stuck in your own perspective to catch it, apparently. You've not argued one logic point in this entire discussion, but asserted your opinion throughout including trying to "win" the debate by declaring that I lost before I began because I didn't argue in the "true logical way" when in reality it's you who faces that exact problem whilst lost deep in the caverns of Plato. I hope you're good at spelunking.

jag

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Smart and Happy at times, I can manage.

We have no security, no say in our collective fate, the world is obviously f***ed up, we have no power, as individuals, to rectify it......smarts go hand in hand with despair if you ask me.
That's why I drink a lot.
Makes you temporarily dumb/happy.

 

[Danalys]

makes you eventually dumb and unhappy. the only way to be happy with intelligence is to use it. productivly for your benifit and others. if you can't do it your trying something too difficult too soon.

 

[Danalys]

I'd say it's you that's trapped in Plato's Cave, to be honest. As far as the forest and the trees thing, I was simply saying that you should see both, not focus on one or the other. Sorry you missed that. You were too busy being "right" and stuck in your own perspective to catch it, apparently. You've not argued one logic point in this entire discussion, but asserted your opinion throughout including trying to "win" the debate by declaring that I lost before I began because I didn't argue in the "true logical way" when in reality it's you who faces that exact problem whilst lost deep in the caverns of Plato. I hope you're good at spelunking.

jag

i played to a draw you just didn't recognise it. it's like kasperof vs big blue. certainly it would have been nice if we had drawn. but for the sake of arguement as a game it's fun this way aswell.

also in two on one situations i fight twice as hard against either.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Dude, I like how as a once Christian and a current Christian we can jovially poke fun at some of the crazy aspects of the religion and not wanna kill each other.

I can say, with 100% honesty that you are a Christian I don't want to kill. In fact,......I don't want to kill any of 'em.

I've said before, My own Mom and my best friend are Christians. I love them more than anything, and we have great, good-natured discussions about our differences all of the time. I also dig jonty and tomahawk. Even Jewish Hobbit is a great guy (though he should really read the Bible more.)

That's why I was blown away when C.Lee came in the other day and acted like people were out-of-line.

I would say, it's not that we have to "respect eachother's beliefs",...we should respect eachother, and then respectfully enumerate all of the reasons that these people we respect are wrong (in our estimation) to believe whatever.

whatever.

 

[jaguarr]

i played to a draw you just didn't recognise it. it's like kasperof vs big blue. certainly it would have been nice if we had drawn. but for the sake of arguement as a game it's fun this way aswell.

also in two on one situations i fight twice as hard against either.

Or perhaps I simply refuse to accept a draw. There can be only one, yadda, yadda, yadda.

jag

 

[Danalys]

nice wil

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

i played to a draw you just didn't recognise it. it's like kasperof vs big blue.

Wait, who's Big Blue?

 

[Danalys]

Or perhaps I simply refuse to accept a draw. There can be only one, yadda, yadda, yadda.

jag

i think you just offered one.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I concur. If you can't laugh at your religion, what can you laugh at?