Superman Returns Do you want a sequel, or start over from scratch?

[CGHulk]

Get rid of Singer, we need a great action director!

 

[Immortalfire]

SR was a pretty cool movie so a great sequel will be much more pleasing than waiting a couple of decades just to start over. If you hate Singer's Supes so much than shut up and buy a comic you lamesters!!!

Singer should take that advice.

 

[Bad Superman]

SR was a pretty cool movie so a great sequel will be much more pleasing than waiting a couple of decades just to start over. If you hate Singer's Supes so much than shut up and buy a comic you lamesters!!!

 

[Super Kal]

Get rid of Singer, we need a great action director!

.... Peter Jackson maybe?

 

[GreenKToo]

He really should get him to help...

.... Peter Jackson maybe?

 

[DogofKrypton]

.... Peter Jackson maybe?

Watching The Incredibles last night for the first time in a long time, plus with how outstanding Iron Giant is, I say give Brad Bird a shot at Superman. Something tells me he is perfect for the character.

 

[X Knight]

hey.....I just watched Batman Begins again, last night, and I finally got around to watching the behind-the-scenes, special features, and interviews.....

2 things really struck me.....and in part are why I think SR was less successful....

First, either Nolan or Goyer said that the most fundamental way for the audience to connect with the character(s) is to do an origin movie. They really focused on exploring Bruce's journey, from scared boy to bad a** beast, and they wanted the audience to really connect with Bruce ( and to an extent, his supporting cast ).

I felt that was one of the things missing in SR......we never really got a chance to CONNECT with the characters......whether it's Clark/Superman, Lois, Lex.....we never really got a chance to get to know them.......to understand their relationships and their underlying reasons or motivations.......

we were just kind of "thrown into" an already ongoing story......so there was really no "bond" between the characters......or between us and the characters......

The second thing I noticed is how much attention they paid to studying the rich ( comic book ) history of Batman......drawing their influences from various stories and periods of Batman's history........

Nolan didn't just limit his studies to the previous Batman films ( or just to the Burton films ).......he and Goyer actually looked at the comics......since Batman is, after all, a comic book character.

Again, much has been said that Singer didn't read any comics.....now whether or not that is entirely true.....it is obvious that Singer drew his inspiration heavily from the original Donner films. However, in doing so, he limited himself to just that aspect of Superman's history......But, just like Batman, Superman has a rich ( comic book ) history and mythos.......and there is so much in that history that could have been tapped and explored in a movie..........

That's why I feel Superman needed the Batman Begins treatment......after all, ALL of the current ( and future ) Superhero franchises have started as ORIGINS........to give the audience the chance to connect with the heros from the start......and share in their journeys...........Superman, sadly, was not given that chance......

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

hey.....I just watched Batman Begins again, last night, and I finally got around to watching the behind-the-scenes, special features, and interviews.....

2 things really struck me.....and in part are why I think SR was less successful....

First, either Nolan or Goyer said that the most fundamental way for the audience to connect with the character(s) is to do an origin movie. They really focused on exploring Bruce's journey, from scared boy to bad a** beast, and they wanted the audience to really connect with Bruce ( and to an extent, his supporting cast ).

I felt that was one of the things missing in SR......we never really got a chance to CONNECT with the characters......whether it's Clark/Superman, Lois, Lex.....we never really got a chance to get to know them.......to understand their relationships and their underlying reasons or motivations.......

we were just kind of "thrown into" an already ongoing story......so there was really no "bond" between the characters......or between us and the characters......

The second thing I noticed is how much attention they paid to studying the rich ( comic book ) history of Batman......drawing their influences from various stories and periods of Batman's history........

Nolan didn't just limit his studies to the previous Batman films ( or just to the Burton films ).......he and Goyer actually looked at the comics......since Batman is, after all, a comic book character.

Again, much has been said that Singer didn't read any comics.....now whether or not that is entirely true.....it is obvious that Singer drew his inspiration heavily from the original Donner films. However, in doing so, he limited himself to just that aspect of Superman's history......But, just like Batman, Superman has a rich ( comic book ) history and mythos.......and there is so much in that history that could have been tapped and explored in a movie..........

That's why I feel Superman needed the Batman Begins treatment......after all, ALL of the current ( and future ) Superhero franchises have started as ORIGINS........to give the audience the chance to connect with the heros from the start......and share in their journeys...........Superman, sadly, was not given that chance......

In lamest terms...you are saying that the movie should have been a reboot.

 

[X Knight]

yes......to put it succintly......RESTART!!

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

I would like to see a Brad Bird directed Superman movie. But at this point we can only hope that Singer reflects on what some people didn't like about his Superman (lots of people instead liked it, see Rotten Tomatoes or the IMDB ratings). The sequel just needs to be more "fantastic" and I think discussing ideas with people like Grant Morrison or Mark Waid can only help.

 

[Spider-Man™]

I agree on the action idea. I mean in SR there were a few action scenes but seriously, this is SUPERMAN! We definetly need more action and if he were to return i hope he does something with Superman and going all out with the action.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So.....what are the chances, you guys think, of getting a new director with a new series?

 

[David33]

Personally, I want to just do a reboot.

Pretend Superman Returns never happened the same way Superman Returns pretended parts 3 and 4 never happened.

No kid. New Cast (mabye). New Director (definetely). New story (definetely again).

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Sorry.......I think if you want that......then you'll have to wait like 9 years for it.

That's a long time.

 

[David33]

I also want Warner's to stop going over to Bluetights.net. Almost everyone there loves this flawed thing, and if they go there, they will think everyone wants Singer. Warner's, you want to be lied to, go to bluetights.net. You want the truth, come here.

Well,the web WB should visit is :


http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com

 

[dark_b]

Well,the web WB should visit is :


http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com

is thsi site for real? you have to be joking

 

[B1g Jerm]

Yesterday I defended SR and today it will be no different. Because I think the movie did a really good job on taking an unexpected direction. If you want to explore the origin so much than watch Smallville.

 

[buggs0268]

I hope you agree that none of the OBVIOUS problems are teh suit colors or design...

I think that is a major problem and they obviously did not use it to advertise teh film like they did with BB. So I think WB knew how people didnt liek the suit and stayed away from using it. You really didnt see it around much.

 

[buggs0268]

is thsi site for real? you have to be joking

It's reall. A lot of people don't like the film.

 

[dpm07]

I'd prefer someone show Singer the door, and boot his a$$ out along with the whack pack writing team of Harris and Daugherty.

Then, I'd like to see a serious reboot along the lines of a post-crisis Superman with both parents alive ala STAS, and have someone like Timm/Dini write the story. That way we'd be sure to have people from Superman's rogues gallery ala Mongul, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, and Luthor, rather than just Luthor.

Timm/Dini have a strong sense of creativity, and not the horrible storywriting skills that Harris/Daugherty have, or the overbearing arrogance, and blind fetishism to the Donner film that Singer has.

 

[SKSpawn]

Yesterday I defended SR and today it will be no different. Because I think the movie did a really good job on taking an unexpected direction. If you want to explore the origin so much than watch Smallville.

Hiiiiiiii, Smallville is not Superman's origin story! Never has been and never will be, not in the comics and not in any films to come unless they actually do a movie of it. Smallville is a TV show based on Superman's youth but it has no influence on Singer's movie or any Superman movie yet to be made.

For Returns, Superman's origin story was Donner's Superman movie, which, as you can see in Returns with the flashbacks, is nothing like Smallville at all. And thank God for that.

However, on topic, I might've actually preferred a Smallville movie than what Singer churned out with Returns. The sad thing is that Returns could have been so great and kept almost exactly the same with just a few things left out or changed:

* No son of Superman

* A Lois and side characters who gave a damn about Clark

* Kryptonite used properly and not just having an on-again-off-again effect on Superman

* Oh and not being tied to Donner's mythos at all.

Superman leaves to check out Krypton, fine. See his origin in flashbacks? Fine. Even Lex's plot could've been the same, or slightly different, with some minor changes.

The thing was that Singer grounded himself by making it so much like Donner's pre-Crisis Superman. I've never loved Donner's original movie, it's good and everything but in desperate need of an update. We need a modern Superman who walks among us in our society. Returns showed us this and how he fits in but it just felt odd. Don't forget a lot of the kids who went to see Returns might not've seen Donner's films and probably grew up on the animated Superman and Justice League so they were probably clueless.

Now, I liked the film quite a bit but it was nowhere near the level of Batman Begins in terms of capturing the character's essence. Begins wasn't exactly like the comics but it felt like the comics, Returns was just Superman 2.5 (although even that's messed up because

Spoiler

Lois had her memory of her night with powerless Superman taken away, yet has his kid and never wonders why?

) and have very little relation to the comics (Lois would never get with anyone else, or have a kid, or act like such a d*** all the damn time, Superman's powers don't work like that- remember when he lost his powers to the Sun Eater? He tried to regenerate them through exposure to the sun and it didn't work).

I think we should see a sequel where Brainiac, or Lex (hopefully not Zod, he's frigging dead) kills Richard and maybe even Jason, effectively taking away our glaring plot holes and allowing for some emotion to come from Superman that isn't sadness (although I did like how he was portrayed as being so alone, though that wasn't resolved very well) and allow Superman and Lois to then get together or try to start over (the grief could cause Superman to reveal to her his identity instead of all this *****-footing around it like in 1 and 2 and Returns). That might be the best solution.

The, of course, Darkseid for 3 t:

 

[B1g Jerm]

Hey. I don't watch Smallville so I always assumed it was about Superman's origin or something. I'm not even a strong fan of Superman. I'm a more Batman/Punisher guy. I just don't think the movie is as bad as everyone is making it sound.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wow...I loved SR....and even I found this funny. More Batman ownage points, I guess. But still....what the ****.

 

[The Kid]

Yesterday I defended SR and today it will be no different. Because I think the movie did a really good job on taking an unexpected direction. If you want to explore the origin so much than watch Smallville.

I enjoy smallville for Lana and my woman, chloe and of course the best Luthor I've seen next to sTAS' version... and the interesting stories too. but I'm not sure if it can be used as an appropriate origin with so many people from the future knowing clark personally like lex and lois do. Unless somehow their memories are wiped with a kiss, it'll be xtremely hard to sell that they have no idea he's superman. though in Returns we see that everyone of superman's co-workers has brain-damage since they can't figure out this guy who returns the same day and is absent the same day as superman is really the man of steel. thick Glasses and a different hairstyle believe it or not actually can make someone look different enough not to be easily recognizable (I've watched my share of punk'd) so I'll buy into it more than the whole idea of them being gone for 5 years at the same time.

I don't get why many feel batman deserves a restart/origin film more than superman. I was fine with burton's take on the origin. I didn't need to be spoonfed how a billionare acquired high tech gear. Stalkerman Returns instead of a fresh story was unexpected indeed, and lazy. Nolan gets more respect now for what he did than singer for hiding behind donner. there's so much left out there still begging to be realized in a superman movie, but we get wigwearing car salesman vs Superman a fourth time? It rips my soul in two. Spider-man will have faced: Goblin, Ock, Sandman, Venom, GG2 probably others, long before superman every sees another threat to metrpolis outside of carsalesman lex and zod. That's so sad.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Burton never did an origin film though.

And after the Toy Box Clubhouse that Shcumacher gave us....we needed explanations on how Batman operated.

The reason Batman deserved an origin film?

It never got one before.