Superman Returns Do you want a sequel, or start over from scratch?

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B1g Jerm said:
SR was a pretty cool movie so a great sequel will be much more pleasing than waiting a couple of decades just to start over. If you hate Singer's Supes so much than shut up and buy a comic you lamesters!!!
If you like chick flicks I guess it's pretty cool.:)
But anyone who knows anything about Superman and his history knows the movie strays ions from the source material. But it's not a terrible movie. it's just %10 of what it could have been.
Lots of people blindly defended Batman89 until Batman Begins came out and the general audience and critics suddenly realised how rich, epic and character driven a movie adaption from the comic could be.

Maybe it will be in 2 decades, but WB will finally hire a Chris Nolan type director to come along, study and respect the source material, and carefully craft a superman epic thats the on scale and richness with the books.:up:
 
Nolan for superman... I'm starting to think that'd be a good idea.
 
Supershizzle said:
Bluetights.net started out well, but then lost any objectivity it had when it buddied up with Singer to get his production blogs. Now you cant so much as post a negative opinion on any aspect of the film without getting attacked by the posters there, and then banned by their moderators.

I think it's obivous to WB their not getting objective feedback on the film there from their 2000 or so users
I post there as well, and everyone knows my view on this movie... yes, I hated it, but I wont stop posting there just because Singer's lap dogs post there...
 
kakarot069 said:
I post there as well, and everyone knows my view on this movie... yes, I hated it, but I wont stop posting there just because Singer's lap dogs post there...
Hmmm so if you like SR you are either a Singer apologist, a sheep or one of Singer's Lap dogs...good to know....I guess you can't just like the movie..that just isn't posible I guess.
 
Winking Samurai you hit the nail on the head, and coming directly form the demographic who was most unimpressed, it is also refreshing to hear a 20 year old speak so eloquently.

I hope the WB takes those points into consideration.

Also to those who constantly bring up the failed Burton, Abrams versions. Yes they were atrocious, however that does not excuse Superman Returns for being mediocre. Nor does it give me any reason to forgive Singer for ignoring 70 years of comic history in favour of the Donner Film. Singer has admitted that he mirrored SR off of STM scene for scene right down to Superman almost drowning.

I just feel there was so much wasted potential here and I fear a sequel will be a re-hash of Superman II.
 
super-bats said:
or Sam Raimi......

Well for the record, I think Sam Raimi's not doing the best he can for Spidey.

but I'd be a liar if I tried to say his hero battles aren't some epic quality stuff.

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He just needs to add some of more of spidey's trademark humor and I'd be in heaven.
 
or.....all of the posters on SHH can get together to collaborate on the ultimate superman movie........resulting in the LONGEST OPENING CREDITS EVER!!!!! using our screen names....of course....lol........as SHH posters we must keep our identities secret.
 
Wesyeed said:
Well for the record, I think Sam Raimi's not doing the best he can for Spidey.

but I'd be a liar if I tried to say his hero battles aren't some epic quality stuff.

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He just needs to add some of more of spidey's trademark humor and I'd be in heaven.
I agree with that and also I always liked it in the 90s cartoon how they let you know what Spidey's thoughts as he fought the bad guys...I don't know if it would work in the movies but I think it would be cool to have Tobey do a voice over to let the viewers know what Spidey and Pete are thinking like in the cartoons....ok back to SR now :)
 
Venom71 said:
Hmmm so if you like SR you are either a Singer apologist, a sheep or one of Singer's Lap dogs...good to know....I guess you can't just like the movie..that just isn't posible I guess.
I dont have a problem with people liking that movie, that's fine, but when they like it so much that they can't see the obvious problems of the movie, THEN I have a probem with them.

YES, there ARE problems within the movie, there's no denying that... you can still like the movie and still have a problem with it.
 
I know the feelings on this film have been mixed. So what everyone else wants is fine by me. But I for one thing there is hope for this franchise. Sure it's off to a shaky start, maybe a real shaky one. However, the thing is I enjoyed the film and I think it's possible to make something of this. You can say the film failed in many ways. It worked for me personally but the problem is it obviously didnt connect with every person it should have. An artist is a stubborn breed. So I understand where Singer is coming from and if any of you are artists yourself you would understand too. But the key thing to do here is to recognize what you did that didnt work and go from there. Strip the ego and pride. Recognize your strength and weaknesses as a filmmaker and take a long hard look at what people will want to see. I don't necessarly blame Singer because how many folks do you really think stood up and said "well I dont know if this will work for everyone". Hollywood directors live in their own little world. Some of them get it right and have a connection and some are off the mark. He made his film. What's done is done. Now it's time to step back and evaluate your own work from your audience's point of view. That being said...I'd like a sequel and see what he can do. Just my opinion. Not everyone will feel this way.
 
Steelsheen said:
personally i want a reboot.

realistically, we're gonna pick-up where SR left off, with or without Singer. look at The Incredible Hulk, that sequel took years to get greenlit but despite the new director they're gonna pickup up where the first one left off, albeit some drastic changes (less drama, more action). even Bana's name is still being linked to the sequel, he aint confirming his involvement, but he aint denying it either. Routh has all but confirmed that he will be Superman once the sequel is greenlit.


Routh is signed but that doesn't mean he's a lock to be in the next Superman movie... Ask Nick Cage if contracts mean anything... heh

If the WB doesnt pick up Singers planned sequel, and they don't greenlite this thing then dont expect them to bring Brandon back once another Superman movie rolls around.

It would take atleast a decade to get another movie going, and yes I feel that it should be a re-start, forget that SR ever happened, and just re-start the thing with a whole new cast, director, and writers.

Brandon Routh, and Bryan Singer were the problem from the start, and then the movie got worse, and worse as more info got leaked.

The kid, Kate as Lois, Lex being campy... ect... Nobody wan't to see this movie get a sequel outside from a couple of die hard singer fanboys online which watch anything he does even tho it stinks.

Bottom line is if the WB is ran by anyone with even a mid level IQ score, we wont get a sequel to SR but a total reboot in 10 years.
 
Yeah I liked the movie a lot, and I know that SR is not perfect....But I do think that Singer can reevaluate the situation and try to please a wider demographic without losing integrity. He did his own homage to the first Superman throughout this whole film. OK.....Now it's time to move on and expand on the rich mythology of the character. If he can go and dig some nice elements from the comics (and there are) and adapt them to the screen while maintaning his own sensibilities we could be looking at one hell of a film.
 
a very fine and fair post, Michael Corleone......

To be fair to Singer, your vision is like your baby....and I'm sure you would be very proud of that vision.....as that is what you personally want to see on screen.....and the director of the movie does have that prerogative.....

I bet if you, me, or anyone here was in charge of a Superman movie....we would all have our own vision of what we want on screen.......and we would try our hardest to make that vision a reality.....

But, as you said, sometimes you have to step back....and ask yourself if your vision is the right vision.......will it appeal to your audience.....will it turn off your audience........so you have to stick to your vision, but you can't be totally blinded by it.

That actually reminds me of an Apprentice episode. In that episode, the teams were asked to create a graffiti ad for a Playstation game, on a wall in Harlem.........

Now, the Project Manager ( PM ) of the losing team........lost because she was so blinded by her "creative" vision....of what SHE wanted the ad to look like........but she FAILED to consider if her vision would connect with the intended audience....if it would serve the intended purpose..........

yes, her ad was actually the "prettier" of the two.....but she lost......because her audience couldn't really understand what the ad was trying to convey ( marketing the selling points of the game )..........

When I watched that episode....I felt that was what happened, in part, with Ang Lee's Hulk......and what I feared was going to happen with Singer's Superman........sadly, I guess my fears came true......imo of course.
 
super-bats said:
a very fine and fair post, Michael Corleone......

To be fair to Singer, your vision is like your baby....and I'm sure you would be very proud of that vision.....as that is what you personally want to see on screen.....and the director of the movie does have that prerogative.....

I bet if you, me, or anyone here was in charge of a Superman movie....we would all have our own vision of what we want on screen.......and we would try our hardest to make that vision a reality.....

But, as you said, sometimes you have to step back....and ask yourself if your vision is the right vision.......will it appeal to your audience.....will it turn off your audience........so you have to stick to your vision, but you can't be totally blinded by it.

That actually reminds me of an Apprentice episode. In that episode, the teams were asked to create a graffiti ad for a Playstation game, on a wall in Harlem.........

Now, the Project Manager ( PM ) of the losing team........lost because she was so blinded by her "creative" vision....of what SHE wanted the ad to look like........but she FAILED to consider if her vision would connect with the intended audience....if it would serve the intended purpose..........

yes, her ad was actually the "prettier" of the two.....but she lost......because her audience couldn't really understand what the ad was trying to convey ( marketing the selling points of the game )..........

When I watched that episode....I felt that was what happened, in part, with Ang Lee's Hulk......and what I feared was going to happen with Singer's Superman........sadly, I guess my fears came true......imo of course.


Very nice example. In the end I guess time will tell.
 
Here's my poster for the Superman sequel, which'll probably be a vague sequel/reboot/origin/wrath of khan.

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FanboyX_Returns said:
The kid, Kate as Lois, Lex being campy... ect... Nobody wan't to see this movie get a sequel outside from a couple of die hard singer fanboys online which watch anything he does even tho it stinks.

Bottom line is if the WB is ran by anyone with even a mid level IQ score, we wont get a sequel to SR but a total reboot in 10 years.

I honestly dont think it's fair to make such a generalization, my friend. I disliked Apt Pupil and who directed that again? Right...but I have stated on prior occasions that I absolutely loved SR and I will say NOW that I cannot wait for a sequel.

I'm not blind to it's flaws and the moments that simply came up short, but I was able to connect with the film on a very fundamental level, as have many others. That doesn't make anyone here any less credible than those who didn't get what they wanted.

On a side note, I wholeheartedly agree with your sig, Jason Lee would make an amazing Tony Stark...in fact I'll go so far as to bring up the endorsement Kevin Smith once declared for Ben Affleck, only mine is for Jason Lee...Jason Lee could play anyone, anywhere, even the shark in Jaws, and it would still be awesome :up: :up:
 
kakarot069 said:
I dont have a problem with people liking that movie, that's fine, but when they like it so much that they can't see the obvious problems of the movie, THEN I have a probem with them.

YES, there ARE problems within the movie, there's no denying that... you can still like the movie and still have a problem with it.
I hope you agree that none of the OBVIOUS problems are teh suit colors or design...
 
to me, ccolors and suit are personal preference, but can affect the problem...


overall though, not the main problem with the movie.
 
the main problem with the movie was that they redid the original movie's story,and added more sappy stuff than action and character development. if they do reboot it they should go for a post-crisis take. not john byrne's origin, birthright, and especially not smallville's origin but more of an original yet faithful interpretation.even if they reboot it we probably won't see it for another 10 years.
 
Complete Restart. If it were to include his origin, it could tell it through a comic book with narration (to me, that would make the movie seem epic).

Anyway, I liked Superman Returns, don't get me wrong. But I feel that I should love a Superman movie and well, I didn't love Superman Returns. It was just 'ok' and a Superman movie should be anything but just ok.

I say keep Routh and maybe some other cast members (I say we need a new Lois, one who can act like she's a person who can take care of herself, I have nothing against Bosworth though, I just don't think she was the right Lois). I don't want Singer or the writers on Superman Returns to be anywhere near this restart though. Also, considering that a restart would confuse people, it may be better just to get a whole new cast (maybe a better one), writers (of course), and director (of course).

Lex should be a businessman, not a real estate agent thief person. He should be the evil genius that owns Metropolis.

I do say, however, that the movie should keep the score of Superman 1 and SR - THAT would be its only reference to the past Donner films.

As said though, this is now unrealistic as WB blew the chance to restart the franchise.
 
Utter reboot or nothing. Get rid of Singer and find a good director and a good casting director and start over. Singer has already ****ed this franchise to the point that its not fixable. WB screwed themselves with this itiotic idea.
 
Superman Returns was not perfect, but I loved it. SEQUEL.

Just looking at this thread, you can already tell people will never be pleased. On the one hand you have one guy wants someone "that recognizes the character has changed since 1977", and on the other you still have people *****ing about the suit (which if you step back and look at, isn't all that different from the way it is normally depicted)
 
I just hope singer realizes that he made something that sucked and it wasn't because people can't be pleased, it's because he sucked at making it and decided he wasn't good enough to do his own thing and instead copied some outdated version which people call "homage" but it stops being homage and starts leaning more towards parody when it becomes as Plagiaristic as the stuff in Returns. You can get expelled from school for that. When singer choked during the interview about his box office duel with pirates, I was hopeful that maybe he saw that his work wasn't as good as it could be and would ask Nolan for advice, but now with all these interviews where he talks about people decades from now probably being affected by it and that being his main goal, it seems he's learned nothing and will continue the "homage" more...

I want him gone for the sake of superman. Yes, supes deserves better than homages.
 

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