Superman Returns Do you want a sequel, or start over from scratch?

[Triligors]

Was it the best? No, personally my best- would be Spielburg at the helm. But, that's dreaming- slim chance of that happening. I liked the film alot and so did alot of others. Mixed reaction to the film overall from general audience though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. And in this case the film got mixed opinions.

Posible answer to why Batman Begins and Superman Returns:

Let me preface this by saying that I am more of a Batman fan than a Superman fan, and loved BB more than SR.

I believe the reason why Superman and Batman rank low- even though most known- is probably because, unlike Spider-Man or X-Men, they already have had a superhero franchise of films. So, while Batman and Superman are more well known- there isn't a sense of 'new' about either property, while there is that sense with the Spider-Man and X-Men films. Batman Begins is one of the critically acclaimed superhero films, one of many fan's favorite, had a superb cast and crew and a great director- so, I think there has to do something more with the feeling of 'freshness' to the character himself than having to do with the other aspects of the films.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

Was it the best? No, personally my best- would be Spielburg at the helm. But, that's dreaming- slim chance of that happening. I liked the film alot and so did alot of others. Mixed reaction to the film overall from general audience though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. And in this case the film got mixed opinions.

Posible answer to why Batman Begins and Superman Returns:

Let me preface this by saying that I am more of a Batman fan than a Superman fan, and loved BB more than SR.

Also, Superman and Batman, reason they rank low- even though most known is probably because unlike Spider-Man or X-Men is that they already have had a superhero franchise of films. Which makes them more universal, but not as new as Spider-Man and X-Men, which could be one of the reasons why. So, while Batman and Superman are more well known- there isn't a sense of 'new' about either property, while there is that sense with the Spider-Man and X-Men films.

I can agree with you on that. I just really wish SR could have been better...it had potential to be so much better. I was disappointed with X3 also...so that's two comicbook disappointments in one summer. but i actually prefer the X-Men comics over Superman...i really had high expectations from X3, becuz it had the Phoenix...and she is my favorite character in the marvel universe...along with Thanos, Magneto and Apocolypse.

 

[The Kid]

Posting the top comic adaptations doesn't really help SR, because Superman is the world's most recognized comic book hero. Spiderman probably wasn't in the top four until the debut of the movie. the X-Men were no where near close. Superman and Batman are two of the world's most recognizeable comic book superheroes.....the X-Men and Spiderman never were as popular as superman and batman prior to the movies...so i think that it is interesting...that SR has the Superman brand behind it and a gigantic budget...yet it placed 6th on your first list and fourth on your second list. I'm sure the the WB was using the same logic that I am using when they put all of these resources into this movie..I mean..Superman is the hero of all heroes...there is no reason he should be struggling like this @ the box office....unless...Singer screwed up the movie. I am a comicbook fan....and I went to see the movie just because it's superman..my brother who doesn't read comics @ all..went to see the movie..just because it's superman..and he hated it. a lot of people went to see this movie because they expected to see a kick ass movie...with all of the fancy technology and things we have today..why is it that SR was the best we could get from a Superman movie?

whether we get a reboot or a sequel...there are two things i definitely want:

1) something fresh, inventive and able to take advantage of today's technolody

2) definitely a new director

Agreed. I've said it before. the past is the past. Nolan knows it, why not Singer. We can salvage this story if we just figure out a way to maybe vague sequel it in the next one... Do brainiac. Make a nice story out of that threat and have superman and superboy learn about teamwork as the theme I guess. Although if they don't keep superboy then it'll just be superman doing the fighting.

 

[Triligors]

Don't want a new director. Because new director might go the 'Weyseed' route of having Jason become Superkid. Jason should, and most likely will only remain 'the son'- in other words, no Superboy. While Singer knows the direction of the franchise and just needs to fix some of the faults with the first film. Also, a Bruckheimer film would suck as well because it would be action over drama. Thus, imo, best route is to have Singer and just fix the faults- mainly the action and 'over homage to STM'- of the first film. Look at how fans of the Hulk campaigned for a different route and now look at what that's getting them. The safest best is to have Singer return, fix and further the actions, get rid of the homages, and continue forward.

 

[The Kid]

Don't want a new director. Because new director might go the 'Weyseed' route of having Jason become Superkid. Jason should, and most likely will only remain 'the son'- in other words, no Superboy. While Singer knows the direction of the franchise and just needs to fix some of the faults with the first film. Also, a Bruckheimer film would suck as well because it would be action over drama. Thus, imo, best route is to have Singer and just fix the faults- mainly the action and 'over homage to STM'- of the first film. Look at how fans of the Hulk campaigned for a different route and now look at what that's getting them. The safest best is to have Singer return, fix and further the actions, get rid of the homages, and continue forward.

what the harry potter are you talking about with "wesyeed route"

Singer made him superkid, not me. It's been obvious since the start what the boy's purpose was in the story to me and of course if granted the chance I'm guessing Superkid Jason will be allowed to become at first a sidekick during his training and then mature into his own superhero.

WHERE ELSE COULD IT GO?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Don't want a new director. Because new director might go the 'Weyseed' route of having Jason become Superkid. Jason should, and most likely will only remain 'the son'- in other words, no Superboy. While Singer knows the direction of the franchise and just needs to fix some of the faults with the first film. Also, a Bruckheimer film would suck as well because it would be action over drama. Thus, imo, best route is to have Singer and just fix the faults- mainly the action and 'over homage to STM'- of the first film. Look at how fans of the Hulk campaigned for a different route and now look at what that's getting them. The safest best is to have Singer return, fix and further the actions, get rid of the homages, and continue forward.

I like (most of) Bruckheimer's films and would love if he produced a Superhero flick.

 

[Triligors]

'Weyseed route'- "Have Superman and Superboy fight crime together!!!" "Make Jason Superman's side kick in crime fighting!"

Regular/Possible Singer route- the kid will play an important role, but he will not become a superhero side kick. Don't see Superman training Jason to fight crime, that will happen in Jason's late late teens (18, or 25 around). Jason is 5. Unless they do an Attack of the Clones (age kid by 13-15 years) not likely.

 

[The Kid]

'Weyseed route'- "Have Superman and Superboy fight crime together!!!" "Make Jason Superman's side kick in crime fighting!"

Regular/Possible Singer route- the kid will play an important role, but he will not become a superhero side kick.

We've already gotten a taste of that with Jason helping his mom and dad. It's only logical that more should come in the Wrath of Zod, tril.

 

[Triligors]

By Bruckheimer, I meant- all action, little drama. I could see Bruckheimer for some superheroes in which it would call for that- maybe Hulk. But, Bruckheimer behind the wheel of Spidey, Superman, or Batman- (in my opinion) hell no.

 

[Triligors]

Hey, Wey- face it. The kid is not going to put on a costume and start fighting crime- do you know how ****ing reckless that would be? Superman didn't become Superman until he was 25 (?). I highly doubt Clark or Lois would have Jason running around as a 8 (?) year old fighting crime. They would wait until Jason was responsible, older, wiser- most likely around his early to mid twenties- similar to Clark's beginning as Superman. Unless they go the 'Attack of the Clones' route and age the kid by 13-15 years at least- it's not likely. We will see Jason being a little like his father, a la Mummy Returns kid (but not too over the top- Zorro kid). That's what you could most likely expect.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I want NO SINGER and a movie that has nothing to do with Returns.

If that means a reboot, so be it.

 

[Superman \S/]

Interesting sig.....

 

[The Kid]

Hey, Wey- face it. The kid is not going to put on a costume and start fighting crime- do you know how ****ing reckless that would be? Superman didn't become Superman until he was 25 (?). I highly doubt Clark or Lois would have Jason running around as a 8 (?) year old fighting crime. They would wait until Jason was responsible, older, wiser- most likely around his early to mid twenties- similar to Clark's beginning as Superman. Unless they go the 'Attack of the Clones' route and age the kid by 13-15 years at least- it's not likely. We will see Jason being a little like his father, a la Mummy Returns kid (but not too over the top- Zorro kid). That's what you could most likely expect.

You face it. What we got in Returns was a boy killing people. In the next we'll have that same boy probably killing more people.

 

[Triligors]

Is Jason going to have action? Probably. Is he going to become 'superkid' as you've been calling him- hell no. There's a major difference. Most of these kids- MR kid, Zorror kid, get action sequences. As I said, that's what you could expect from Jason. Don't expect for Superman to take Jason on his missions fighting crime. That would be reckless and child endangerment, why you can't understand this- no idea. As said, yes- Jason will have action, but he won't become a 'side kick'.

 

[The Kid]

Is Jason going to have action? Probably. Is he going to become 'superkid' as you've been calling him- hell no. There's a major difference. Most of these kids- MR kid, Zorror kid, get action sequences. As I said, that's what you could expect from Jason. Don't expect for Superman to take Jason on his missions fighting crime. That would be reckless and child endangerment, why you can't understand this- no idea. As said, yes- Jason will have action, but he won't become a 'side kick'.

Don't kid yourself man. That's why he's there. SON BECOMES THE FATHER AND THE FATHER THE SON. Good grief, Tril. They will be training together. Superman will teach his boy how to fly. And of course Supey will call his son for help when he needs it.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Interesting sig.....

agree or disagree with it?

 

[Triligors]

You're not understanding this, are you?

I said, we're not going to see kid Jason become a 'side kick'. Is he going to take up the reigns of his father as a superhero? Yes. Is he going to do it at this early an age? Definitely not. That would be reckless. Heck, I don't even think Batman was that reckless. As said, if they went an Attack of the Clones route (aged Jason by many years to early adulthood or late teens) you could see this- but them doing this is unlikely.

Seeing it within the time line. Unless they jump forward by many years we aren't going to see Jason become the new Superman. In his late teens to early adulthood, it is possible that Jason will become a 'crime fighter' and when his father 'hangs up the capes' become the next Superman. There might be hints to what will come in the way future, but we will not see this Jason put on a costume and start fighting crime at this early of an age.

That's why I used the Mummy Returns kid as an example. This kid was a strong part of the Mummy Returns, he had action sequences. He was a gimmick, but not used as a gimmick. And we could see that he is definitely his father's son and will become a man like his father- an adventurer.

Hopefully you understand the difference between Jason (8-13 years old) fighting crime and Jason (18-25) fighting crime.

 

[Venom71]

Don't kid yourself man. That's why he's there. SON BECOMES THE FATHER AND THE FATHER THE SON. Good grief, Tril. They will be training together. Superman will teach his boy how to fly. And of course Supey will call his son for help when he needs it.

Nah...the most that will happen is Superman/Clark will teach him right from wrong and when and when not to use his powers...if he even still has them in the sequel....since he is not full Kryptonian they may not stay with him or may come and go..we don't know what Singer and company have up their sleeves.

 

[The Kid]

You're not understanding this, are you?

I said, we're not going to see kid Jason become a 'side kick'. Is he going to take up the reigns of his father as a superhero? Yes. Is he going to do it at this early an age? Definitely not. That would be reckless. As said, if they did an Attack of the Clones route (aged Jason by many years to early adulthood or late teens) you could see this- but that is unlikely.

Seeing it within the time line. Unless they jump forward by many years we aren't going to see Jason become the new Superman when his father 'hangs up the capes'. There might be hints to what will come in the way future, but we will not see this Jason put on a costume and start fighting crime.

Hopefully you understand the difference between Jason (8-13 years old) fighting crime and Jason (18-25) fighting crime.

These are not normal people. They're superheros. How can you say a kid fighting crime is not possible? The next one will have Superman possibly giving an older Jason some tips on his crime fighting duty, yes. He'll need to be trained so the sidekick status will come from superman being the Master and Superboy the apprentice. Then in the next movie maybe superboy will be allowed to go out on his own, sort of leaving the nest allegory. It'll be brilliant.

 

[Mr. Socko]

If the Sky Kids can whoop some adults, Jason sure can. Did it seem corny in Spy Kids? Yes. Will it seem corny in SR 2? Yes.

But that never stops it from happening

 

[The Kid]

Nah...the most that will happen is Superman/Clark will teach him right from wrong and when and when not to use his powers...if he even still has them in the sequel....since he is not full Kryptonian they may not stay with him or may come and go..we don't know what Singer and company have up their sleeves.

Wrooooooooooong.

He'll keep his powers. It'd be so lame if he just became normalboy in the next one. Where's the fun in that?

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

i want jason to become evil...amd kill off Richard. he has already killed one person. let's make Jason (Superman's son) his new villain...accompanied by another bad guy. Maybe Brainiac, Darkseid or Lex (Evil Political, Scientific GEnius version) can bring Jason to the 'darkseid' of the force.

that's what i really really would like...some suiper villain to find out jason is the son..kidnap him..wipe his memory..and train him to help in world domination of earth.

I think there is great potential for Jason...but please don't make him the Superman sidekick..it would be so expected and cliche.

him becoming a villain and killing his sarogate father is a little surprising.

 

[Venom71]

Wrooooooooooong.

He'll keep his powers. It'd be so lame if he just became normalboy in the next one. Where's the fun in that?

I don't think that will be the way the story will go....I guess we will have to wait and see. I think having Jason fighting crime at any age in these movies would just be silly and I don't see Singer taking it that direction. JMHO

 

[Triligors]

So, because they are superheroes makes them more reckless than a normal person? Ha, yeah right. Hey, believe what you want to believe. Make a fanfic, because that's most likely the only form you will see it in- unless they go an 'Attack of the Clones' route.

Jason age 8 (?)= Discovers he has powers

Jason ages 9-15/16= Superman teaches Jason the distinction between right and wrong, when to act and when not to act, he will teach him morals and safety.... in other words, he will be Jason's "Ma and Pa Kent"

Jason ages 15/16-18= Superman thinks it's time to put Jason into real situations, only this time- Jason will be by his side in case anything happens.

Jason age 18-= Jason becomes a 'Nightwing' and goes his own route taking with him what he learned from Superman

The above is the most realistic time line. As said, depending on how they go and by how many years they decide to advance the story by- you might see it going very slowly and the seeds planted for Jason's future, or you might launch years into the future (a la Attack of the Clones) and go from there. These are the two open routes.

I agree in that Jason will take on his father's reign of being a superhero, but I strongly disagree in the amount of time it will take for this to happen.

Oh and BTW, Socko- the Sky High kids are 15 years old- high school freshman, they aren't 8-10 years old.

 

[The Kid]

So, because they are superheroes makes them more reckless than a normal person? Ha, yeah right. Hey, believe what you want to believe. Make a fanfic, because that's most likely the only form you will see it in- unless they go an 'Attack of the Clones' route.

Jason age 8 (?)= Discovers he has powers

Jason ages 9-16= Superman teaches Jason the distinction between right and wrong, when to act and when not to act, he will teach him morals and safety.... in other words, he will be Jason's "Ma and Pa Kent"

Jason ages 16-18= Superman thinks it's time to put Jason into real situations, only this time- Jason will be by his side in case anything happens.

Jason age 18-= Jason becomes a 'Nightwing' and goes his own route taking with him what he learned from Superman

The above is the most realistic time line. As said, depending on how they go and by how many years they decide to advance the story by- you might see it going very slowly and the seeds planted for Jason's future, or you might launch years into the future (a la Attack of the Clones) and go from there. These are the two open routes.

I agree in that Jason will take on his father's reign of being a superhero, but I strongly disagree in the amount of time it will take for this to happen.

Well the WB president guy said there'd be more action in the next one. And what better way to have more action than to have TWO supermen flying around in the next one? So I think the most logical thing they're going to do is have Jason be at the sidekick stage in his life, yes. Double the fun.