Superman Returns Do you want a sequel, or start over from scratch?

[Triligors]

Hey, agree to disagree. Just, god help us- if anyone should ever give you a kid. Lol.

"Now, son- this is called a gun, we use to protect people and our lives... now you pull the trigger there and.... oh my god! Somebody call an ambulance!" With great power comes great responsibility. Even with superpowers, throwing a kid into the heat of battle- is similar to a cop teaching his 10 year old son how to use a gun. A gun could be seen as a superpower of a sort. But, would a cop do that? No, because that would be reckless. Would the cop teach his son responsibility, maturity, etc. for many years and then begin to train his young adult/ late teen son the ways being a cop? Probably. But at this age? Reckless.

By more action- that would be easy, since there was little to no action in SR. So, a Superman vs. super villain fight would be ALOT more action than SR.

So, agree to disagree. You want Jason to be a kid 'side kick' and I think that is highly unlikely and reckless. So, as said before- agree to disagree because that's the best we're going to get.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

Hey, agree to disagree. Just, god help us- no one should ever give you a kid. Lol.

By more action- that would be easy, since there was little to no action in SR. So, a Superman vs. super villain fight would be ALOT more action than SR.

i agree with u there. if superman threw three punches...that would be more action than the first. as far as action...there isn't really much of a high benchmark in comparison to the first one. all they really need is a super villain...but adding Super Evil Jason to the mix would be nice...Richard is killed...Louis is left to mull...but eventually goes by to falling in love with Superman. I definitely hope Clark Kent has more of a presence...watching SR made me forget Clark Kent was his alter ego/secret identity. that's also a big thing i thikn singer screed up..when u introduce the character...u focus mostly on the character...singer focused on eveyrthing else..and then tried to piece it together would superman. Superman/Clark Kent should have got way more attention.

hopefully he won't make the same mistake twice.

 

[The Kid]

Nonsense, tril. Agree to agree with me instead.

It's so nakedly obvious that Jason's not going to be sitting at home in the next one learning his ABC's to me. He'll be training and like in Singer's X-men movies he'll join the heros on their adventure possibly as a sidekick. Possibly being kidnapped. Who knows. But superman and Jason will very likely be a team.

 

[Frodo]

If I had my drothers , the kid wouldn't be in any sequel. I think Singer needs to Focus on what the general audience loves about Superman and not about a character he created . If WB wants to appeal to audiences , I think they've got to get back to what people recogonize and enjoy about the Superman myth. IMO that would include Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, Lex and A Superpowered villian, Daily Planet Banter, Smallville/FOS, and a great story.

 

[Triligors]

I think the extended cut will be more Clark oriented- only those scenes were cut due to pacing reasons. Next time around, this will probably not happen because they will give Clark a more prominent role in case anything does get cut in the editing room.

And Wey, has anybody ever told you how arrogant you come off as?

No, Jason will not stay at home. Nor will Superman put Jason into a costume and say "hey kid, let's go save people." Lol. Best bet- as I've been saying for the past page is a Mummy Returns route. Have you seen the Mummy Returns?!

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

Nonsense. Agree to agree with me instead.

It's so nakedly obvious that Jason's not going to be sitting at home in the next one learning his ABC's to me. He'll be training and like in Singer's X-men movies he'll join the heros on their adventure possibly as a sidekick. Possibly being kidnapped. Who knows. But superman and Jason will very likely be a team.

the thing i hate most..is that u might be right...Singer is known for going the predictable route..i mean..think about it. as soon as we all heard Louis would have a kid..we all immediately knew it would be Superman's...it was no surprise..only a few unexpecting, naive souls thought otherwise...but for the most part...we knew the kid would be superman's.....and i think the Jason teamup is something esle that is ovbiously predictable...Singer really isn't known for big Surprises...so, i can definitely see singer going in the direction of the kid being a major factor/sidekick in the sequel...but that's exactly what i don't want to see.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

If I had my drothers , the kid wouldn't be in any sequel. I think Singer needs to Focus on what the general audience loves about Superman and not about a character he created . If WB wants to appeal to audiences , I think they've got to get back to what people recogonize and enjoy about the Superman myth. IMO that would include Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, Lex and A Superpowered villian, Daily Planet Banter, Smallville/FOS, and a great story.

Well said...and lex had better be a political and science genius....not a complete fool who makes the mistake of proclaiming Prometheus a god...Prometheus was a titan...NOT A GOD! Looks like Singer didn't do any homework on the Superman comic mythos or mythology.

 

[Triligors]

Singer's other high point is- REALISM. X-Men movies had it, Superman Returns had alot of realism in it. Some even complained that it went too realistic. And in a real world, you don't put an eight- ten year old's life in danger. You train the kid first through morals and at a later age, teach him the ropes in real situations (earliest this would realistically happen is 15 years old).

 

[The Kid]

I think the extended cut will be more Clark oriented- only those scenes were cut due to pacing reasons. Next time around, this will probably not happen because they will give Clark a more prominent role in case anything does get cut in the editing room.

And Wey, has anybody ever told you how arrogant you come off as?

No, Jason will not stay at home. Nor will Superman put Jason into a costume and say "hey kid, let's go save people." Lol. Best bet- as I've been saying for the past page is a Mummy Returns route. Have you seen the Mummy Returns?!

You are more arrogant than me. And yes the mummy returns was pretty cool. That's what I think will happen too. The kid will be with dad on his adventrues, being trained, and learning about stuff all over the world and flying around saving lives and he can handle the stupid bank robbers while superman handles the more dangerous villains.

 

[Triligors]

Um, don't know if or if not you were being sarcastic when you stated. "No, agree to agree with me" or not- but, that's the reason I called you arrogant.

Above seems plausible, only- dad will not take kid on his adventures. Kid will either have to be there or be dragged into it. A la Mummy Returns- Imhotep (?) capturing Rick's son. Thus, that was a 'realistic/ fantasy' way to have the kid in the film, have the kid have action sequences, etc.

 

[The Kid]

Well said...and lex had better be a political and science genius....not a complete fool who makes the mistake of proclaiming Prometheus a god...Prometheus was a titan...NOT A GOD! Looks like Singer didn't do any homework on the Superman comic mythos or mythology.

I thought prometheus was an alien from outer space and that aliens are gods.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

I thought prometheus was an alien from outer space and that aliens are gods.

LOL Are you being Sarcastic or forreal?

In Greek Mythology (Which is what Lex was referring to)...Prometheus is the Titan who gave fire to men...and was punished by Zeus (a God)...in fact, the God of all Gods.

 

[Venom71]

Ok lets say Jason does become Superboy....which one would you want him to become or dress like I should say?

 

[The Kid]

Um, don't know if or if not you were being sarcastic when you stated. "No, agree to agree with me" or not- but, that's the reason I called you arrogant.

Above seems plausible, only- dad will not take kid on his adventures. Kid will either have to be there or be dragged into it. A la Mummy Returns- Imhotep (?) capturing Rick's son. Thus, that was a 'realistic/ fantasy' way to have the kid in the film, have the kid have action sequences, etc.

You are more arrogant when you tell me i have to face it. Yes omg the agree to agree with me wasn't totally serious... I didn't think you would notice.

I want to see Jason learn all his powers like spider-man. That's what I want to see.

 

[Triligors]

Lol. There are some people that actually claim that- that these gods were actually aliens that came with advanced technology. So, depends on whose account you chose to believe in that area. Don't know if you were being sarcastic or not- but, 'gods' possibly being aliens was brought up during an 'alien documentary' that I've seen.

Jason will probably learn his powers. Just, don't expect them to go overly extreme with it- such as Jason putting on a costume and becoming a superhero. He will have action sequences, Superman will teach him about responsibility/morals/ and his powers. And it is possible to have one of the villains pull a Imhotep and capture the kid- allowing the kid to have action sequences. Or for Jason to somehow be caught in an action sequence and have to use his powers in part of that. But, Superman telling Jason (13 years old) "put on that costume son, we're going to fight crime" is too extreme. You will have Jason in action sequences, but you won't have Superboy. Confusing and contradictory, I know, but that's the way I see it.

 

[The Kid]

LOL Are you being Sarcastic or forreal?

In Greek Mythology (Which is what Lex was referring to)...Prometheus is the Titan who gave fire to men...and was punished by Zeus (a God)...in fact, the God of all Gods.

oh yeah it's sarcastic. I studied mythology years ago so I don't remember much of it. I suppose your right. my post is referring more to the idea that an alien is a god, like it is made to seem in the movie.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

You are more arrogant when you tell me i have to face it. Yes omg the agree to agree with me wasn't totally serious... I didn't think you would notice.

I want to see Jason learn all his powers like spider-man. That's what I want to see.

I agree with you about the second part...but not about being daddy's side kick..i mean, singer will probably do it..but i don't want it. i want it to never be disclosed that Superman is his father...so her'll never know that superman is his father, but he still admire and look up to superman. and he starts to discover his powers....and starts to feel like an outcast..because he feels he needs to hide his powers..though inside he wants to explore them more....so he starts wearing a mask and goes out helping to stop crimes....and then he takes on a battle that he can't handle..and superman comes to his resue...then superman finally tells him the truth....he eventually finds out that superman is his father...and learns that superman left...and starts to resent superman because superman left him...and after that hates superman..because the the man he admired...is his father and just left him behind. of course...all of this would have to happen later in Jason's life....but i would want some ind of twist...otherwise...everything will be a lil predictable

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

oh yeah it's sarcastic. I studied mythology years ago so I don't remember much of it. I suppose your right. my post is referring more to the idea that an alien is a god, like it is made to seem in the movie.

LOL yeah, i figured that's what u meant. I hated that also about SR...the non-subtle Christian context everywhere....why must religion find its way to everythin? i thought comic book movies were the exception..but now religion is even coming into the comic book movies! dammit!

 

[raybia]

Ok lets say Jason does become Superboy....which one would you want him to become or dress like I should say?

Damn you Singer.

 

[Triligors]

Actually, religion has played a part in Superman's journey.

The most obvious one being the similarities between Kal-El's journey to Earth and Moses' journey to Egypt.

 

[The Kid]

I agree with you about the second part...but not about being daddy's side kick..i mean, singer will probably do it..but i don't want it. i want it to never be disclosed that Superman is his father...so her'll never know that superman is his father, but he still admire and look up to superman. and he starts to discover his powers....and starts to feel like an outcast..because he feels he needs to hide his powers..though inside he wants to explore them more....so he starts wearing a mask and goes out helping to stop crimes....and then he takes on a battle that he can't handle..and superman comes to his resue...then superman finally tells him the truth....he eventually finds out that superman is his father...and learns that superman left...and starts to resent superman because superman left him...and after that hates superman..because the the man he admired...is his father and just left him behind. of course...all of this would have to happen later in Jason's life....but i would want some ind of twist...otherwise...everything will be a lil predictable

that's a cool idea. For me it's going to be something like that but more about the conflict in jason's mind about who is his real dad. biologically it's supes. emotionally it's Richard.

This will be an interesting conflict in the sequel, wrath of zod or all my superchildren.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

Actually, religion has played a part in Superman's journey.

The most obvious one being the similarities between Kal-El's journey to Earth and Moses' journey to Egypt.

well, that's where it should have ended...it was just too heavy in Returns. Yourn example is subtle..and it wasn't really pushed in ur face...Singer was heavy on the christian context and just rubbed ur nose all in it.....and i think it's a little pretentious of Superman to proclaim himself a savior..lol..believe it or not.the world would have went on without him. Guardian is indeed more appropriate. they didn't need superman to defeat lex...once the Governments of the world would have discovered what was repsonsible for the quakes (Lex)...they would have bombed his ass right out of the sky...it was smart of him to travel to an unstable uninhabital island with five hinchmen AND NO KRYPTONIANS WEAPONS!

 

[Triligors]

For me, I think there is more possibility of Richard becoming a bad guy than Jason.

And yes, the religious aspects were played up alot more in SR. Just pointing out that there are religious connections linked to Superman and his mythos.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

that's a cool idea. For me it's going to be something like that but more about the conflict in jason's mind about who is his real dad. biologically it's supes. emotionally it's Richard.

This will be an interesting conflict in the sequel, wrath of zod or all my superchildren.

yeah...u're right....i mean, it's cool to say ur pops is superman..but no one can lie..in the movie...Richard was the real hero....he seems like a much better dad then superman. lol which is another problem in the film...Superman is supposed to be the main character...so why does it seem like another male character is the more just and noble? lol singer just kind of screwed this one up...I could see if Richard was a deadbeat..but he is actually a good father, and husband.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

For me, I think there is more possibility of Richard becoming a bad guy than Jason.

And yes, the religious aspects were played up alot more in SR. Just pointing out that there are religious connections linked to Superman and his mythos.

I tinkered with that idea also! I would love for one of them to be bad...and kill the other. I would like for Richard to become MEtallo or Parasite...amd kill Jason in a jealous rage....when he starts to fall under the impression that Louis will leave him for Superman. he wants power and revenge...so he lets Lex experiment on him...but the experiments make him pyschotic and irrational...and in a jealous rage..he kills the kid. < = ) and that is the way we do away with Jason