Does anybody even give a crap about the Punisher?

[MrQuinn]

Serious question.

I mean, I like the Punisher, but he seems like such a limited character.
With a third movie attempt coming up, if they don't really "get it" this time, they just need to stop.


just for the record, I actually like both previous movies, as well.

 

[Kable24]

If I didn't give a crap about the Punisher, then I just wasted over 20 years collecting everything Punisher I can find.

 

[MrQuinn]

If I didn't give a crap about the Punisher, then I just wasted over 20 years collecting everything Punisher I can find.

well I guess I meant in more of a movie basis. I wasn't very clear, sorry. It just seems like a losing battle. This new movie better be the end all of Punisher do-overs

 

[fat freddys cat]

If I didn't give a crap about the Punisher, then I just wasted over 20 years collecting everything Punisher I can find.

yea am the same, i started reading frank in 1982 so yes i give a f##k!!!!

but really if they f##k up this movie, i can see a TV series being made.

and this is why, because of the the so called precived easiness of transfering the character to the big screen, no big special effects like spidey or the x men etc, (I E cheap to make with a built in audience.) just one character that kills a lot, no support cast to speak of. the costume is really just a skull on his chest, so by rights it should be a no brainer....


but its not you see the character is a complex person who has went threw hell and has several reasons for killing (read BORN). a broken man with an unbreakable will, who still has his humanity (see both stories MOTHER RUSSIA and LONG COLD DARK KNIGHT) who is still a farther deep down. on top of all this he is an unstoppable killing machine, the deadliest person in the marvel MU. so getting this mix right on screen can be tricky.....

MrQuinn you dont sound like a big fan of the punisher, no harm there, your choice dude, but really if your going to make a point about, as you put it such a limited character please make it clearer.

Also just food for thought for you, spiderman, hulk, Batman, and still captain america have all gone threw each at least two unsuccsessful attemp's on the tv or big screen, should they have stopped or stop trying to be made ???

no . it takes time to get it right..............

 

[MrQuinn]

yea am the same, i started reading frank in 1982 so yes i give a f##k!!!!

but really if they f##k up this movie, i can see a TV series being made.

and this is why, because of the the so called precived easiness of transfering the character to the big screen, no big special effects like spidey or the x men etc, (I E cheap to make with a built in audience.) just one character that kills a lot, no support cast to speak of. the costume is really just a skull on his chest, so by rights it should be a no brainer....


but its not you see the character is a complex person who has went threw hell and has several reasons for killing (read BORN). a broken man with an unbreakable will, who still has his humanity (see both stories MOTHER RUSSIA and LONG COLD DARK KNIGHT) who is still a farther deep down. on top of all this he is an unstoppable killing machine, the deadliest person in the marvel MU. so getting this mix right on screen can be tricky.....

MrQuinn you dont sound like a big fan of the punisher, no harm there, your choice dude, but really if your going to make a point about, as you put it such a limited character please make it clearer.

Also just food for thought for you, spiderman, hulk, Batman, and still captain america have all gone threw each at least two unsuccsessful attemp's on the tv or big screen, should they have stopped or stop trying to be made ???

no . it takes time to get it right..............

Well, as you can see, I said this one better be the one, as it will be the third attempt.
Also, as I said, I am a fan of the Punisher
as well as,
the previous two films that were made.

To me, these films were not failures, but to everyone else (the masses), they were.

This was not intended to be an argument, either.

Also, when was Batman on tv/film unsuccessful? Once again, not arguing, seriously asking.

 

[Joker]

Also, when was Batman on tv/film unsuccessful? Once again, not arguing, seriously asking.

TV- The Batman

Film- Batman Forever, Batman & Robin

 

[MrQuinn]

TV- The Batman

Film- Batman Forever, Batman & Robin

the Batman seemed to do pretty well among the young crowd, and batman forever did well too. You definitely got me on Batman and Robin though, I always forget that movie because I pretend it didn't happen.

 

[Microchip]

Did anyone care about Iron Man before this Summer? Well, yes, the people who read his comics. But besides that, he was as obscure as the Punisher. People could sort of recognize him, and people sort of recognize the vigilante with the big skull on his shirt.

But now, after a successful movie (because it was a great movie, not because it was Iron Man) he is a household name. If Punisher got his great movie, he'd be similar.

 

[Devastator138]

Hopefully Warzone will do justice to the character on film finally.
I hold Hensleigh personally responsible for the '04 fiasco. Michael France turned in a a draft of The Punisher, that would have been the definitive Frank film. Instead Hensleigh, cut everything save for a few scenes and rewrote it into a car wreck of a script. Much like his draft of The Hulk.

 

[fat freddys cat]

yea hopefully a good medium sized action movie, like what the original Blade movie was, would be cool.

 

[November Rain]

i don't give a **** about the punisher, i'm really surprised this is their third ****ing outing with this franchise, they need to bury the hatchet.

 

[Kable24]

i don't give a **** about the punisher, i'm really surprised this is their third ****ing outing with this franchise, they need to bury the hatchet.

You must give a crap if you posted in this thread and obviously been looking through the Punisher boards.

 

[fat freddys cat]

i don't give a **** about the punisher, i'm really surprised this is their third ****ing outing with this franchise, they need to bury the hatchet.

oh dear............

not a big punisher fan then ??? t:

nice choice of words about the hatchet, i think that happens in the new movie................

 

[November Rain]

You must give a crap if you posted in this thread and obviously been looking through the Punisher boards.

I found this thread on by pressing 'new post' and it came up.

I wanted to contribute to express how desperate marvel are to have a franchise suceed that they are willing to reboot three times.

 

[Kable24]

If Marvel was actually doing the movie, then I would say they are desperate. I think Lionsgate is desperate to get a franchise going. They are getting closer though with every reboot they do, so in 4 years when we get another reboot, The Punisher movie should be perfect.

 

[Frank.Castle]

Actually Lionsgate bought the rights for the punisher in 1984 so Marvel gets its credit for creating the punisher but no film rights besides the new company Marvel has signed with has pushed that all future marvel movies be rated PG this ofcourse does not include movies already purchased by other movie producers such as X Men, Hulk, Spiderman, Daredevil and Elektra etc.

 

[Kable24]

LGF did not buy the rights to the Punisher in 1984. If that was the case how did New World Pictures make the 1989 Punisher? Artisan gained the rights to the Punisher, shot the movie and was bought out by LGF just before it hit theaters.

As far as Marvel Studios, there deal is that none of their movies will be over PG-13 and Paramount does the distribution. Hopefully Marvel can get the rights to the Punisher back.

 

[Frank.Castle]

Because I think you will find that NWP is a branch company from LGF and as for Artisan and Lionsgate Films look it up dude they are one in the same just 2 separate companies to gain tax breaks. and why the hell would you want a PG-13 Punisher for I hope Marvel never even tries to get it back.

 

[Microchip]

Because a PG13 Punisher can still be just as brutal as the violence in (the movie I always source here) Casino Royale. And that gets pretty violent. You don't need gore splashing everywhere, as the non-MAX Punisher comics show.

Not that I'm against a hard R Punisher. I think it'll be lots of bloody fun anyways. I just think it'd be easier to reach a large fanbase with a PG-13 Punisher, and that'd make people care about him like they do with Iron Man.

 

[Kable24]

Because I think you will find that NWP is a branch company from LGF and as for Artisan and Lionsgate Films look it up dude they are one in the same just 2 separate companies to gain tax breaks. and why the hell would you want a PG-13 Punisher for I hope Marvel never even tries to get it back.

Where do you get your info from?

New World Pictures which is now nonexistent owned Marvel Comics for a short time. With that, they put out one movie from Marvel. The 1989 Punisher which didn't see the light of day until 1991 on VHS. although I do believe it was released theatrically in other countries.


A PG-13 Punisher can be done. We've all discussed this before.


A little history for you


Lionsgate Pictures - The original company was founded by director Robert Altman, who named it after a Vancouver landmark, the Lions' Gate Bridge. Among Lionsgate's first films included 3 Women (1977) and A Wedding (1979). In 1981, Altman sold the company to Jonathan Taplin. During much of the 1990s, the company was known as Cinépix Film Properties Inc. (CFP).


Artisan Entertainment - Artisan Entertainment began its life in 1982 as USA Home Video, which the tapes were usually packaged in large sized boxes and included films such as Supergirl, Silent Night, Deadly Night, and many B-movies including those that begin and end with B-actress Sybil Danning talking about the film that is being shown under the Adventure Video label. USA was the non-family division of Family Home Entertainment, which was founded in 1981 by Noel C. Bloom. Also founded by Family Home Entertainment were ThrillerVideo, and Monterey Home Video.

In 1986, the company became known as International Video Entertainment (IVE). In the late 1980s, the company branched into film distribution for television.

In 1987, IVE began to distribute films by Carolco Pictures on video starting with the unrated release of Angel Heart. The first two Carolco films (First Blood and Rambo: First Blood Part II) were released under the Thorn/EMI/HBO Video name, but were released in 1990 and 1988, respectively, under IVE.

In 1990, IVE became Live Home Video with the divisions such as Carolco Home Video and Family Home Entertainment.

In 1990, Live Entertainment decided to branch into film production. Its first feature film was Short Time. Its second feature film was the English dub of The Palermo Connection. Its third feature film was Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs.

In 1991, the company took over Vestron Pictures after its downfall; Vestron had been known best for Dirty Dancing, which had been the second highest-grossing independent film of all time. Also, for several years starting in 1993, Live Entertainment distributed anime released by Pioneer Entertainment, including Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki.

In 1995, when Carolco ceased to exist as a company, StudioCanal got full rights to their film library and thus Live (under a new deal with the French-based production company) continued to distribute Carolco's films for video.

Other ex-video distributors that had been owned by Live Entertainment include Lightning Video, Vestron Music Video, Children's Video Library, Tenth Avenue Video (And Platinum Productions), Vidmark (and Trimark), and Magnum Entertainment.

In April of 1998, the company was rechristened Artisan Entertainment.

In May of 2003, Artisan and Microsoft jointly announced the first release of a high definition DVD, Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Extreme Edition). The release was a promotion for the Windows Media version 9 format; it could only be played on a personal computer with Windows XP. Artisan had released the movie in 2002 on D-VHS.

After Lionsgate agreed to acquire Artisan in 2003, video releases that had been with Artisan are now under the Lionsgate banner.

New World Pictures - # 1970 - The company was founded as New World Pictures, Ltd., by movie producer Roger Corman.
# 1983 - Corman sold the company to Larry Kupin, Harry Sloane, and Larry A. Thompson, who take the company public. Later that year, Thompson left the company to form his own firm.
# 1985 - New World created three new divisions:

* New World International - Distribution of New World content outside the United States.
* New World Television - Television program production unit (its first output was the soap opera Santa Barbara and the made-for-TV movie Playing With Fire).
* New World Video - Home video distributor for mainly New World Pictures output.

# 1986 - New World acquired Highgate Pictures, Learning Corporation of America, and Marvel Comics.

 

[comicfan4Life]

To me Punisher should be a very simple concept to bring to the big screen. He doesn't have superpowers, he doesn't come from another planet as a herlad for a world eater, and he doesn't come from a long lost race of beings. He's a man that made the mistake of taking his family to Central Park because he thought the world was still decent enough where a man could have a picnic with his family.

Unfortunately, Hollywood sees Frank as a simple concept too and they come up with simple decisions about how to use him, and not in a good way. He didn't need to be a cop that lives in sewers, he didn't need to be an FBI agent. All they had to do was say hey, this guy fought in the war (Nam or Desert Storm), came home, and got into another war (His family dying due to gang violence or the botched mob hit).

Now obviously Lions Gate cares for the character and yes they want a franchise (Hell, who doesn't these days), but they could just make saw movies for the rest of their lives or other underground indy horror film ideas to milk to death. Even more so, they can come up with their own vigilante series or whatever, so they don't really need punisher. There has to be a reason why they did something with Castle instead of sitting on their asses waiting for rights to go back to Marvel.

Marvel obviously cares about The Punisher because if they didn't why create him. Why take the chance of giving him his own books, toys, and game? Yes, to market what's hot at the time and get money, but they love all their characters. Before the 1998 movie, how many people gave a damn about Blade? That's all punisher needs, a good movie. Every character has potential to be good. Fans see the potential and that's why I and many others give a crap about Castle. It's not like we picked a character out of a hat and said we're gonna like this guy, no, there was something there that struck our interest and that's why we give a crap.

As for Marvel being desperate, it's not like they're hard up for cash. They have the spidey films, x-men films, the new hulk, iron man, the eventual avengers, and any other movie or game, or toy they can kick out. Even the so-so movies did good like Ghost Rider, Daredevil, aswell as FF 1 & 2. So I highly doubt they're desperate. So if Marvel gets the rights back and they want to do another punisher (If warzone doesn't do good) then so what? I say bring it on and hopefull they can get it right, that way punisher can get the respect he deserves.

 

[Frank.Castle]

well I hope marvel never gets Frank back and totally disagree that a pg-13 punisher movie would work. The same way robocop 3 didn't work because they dropped it from 1 and 2 being R rated and full on to M rated and made for kids basically. To take it out of M you have to get rid of all drug use a couple of drug references may pass but definitely not use, swearing is out, hardcore killing can't be done and frank is a dark character he is what DC originally wanted for Batman what batman was in the 1989 film, I can't imagine a PG punisher thats like turning an X rated porno into an R rated one your killing the best part of the movie.

 

[MrQuinn]

thats like turning an X rated porno into an R rated one

They actually do that, to sell the movies at stores like FYE.





hahahhahahah.
Oh well.

 

[ObakeTora]

I found this thread on by pressing 'new post' and it came up.

I wanted to contribute to express how desperate marvel are to have a franchise suceed that they are willing to reboot three times.

It's because of the mystery why Punisher has a growing cult following like us.

 

[OctaviusINC]

I really do love the character of the Punisher. He's been in my top 5 favorite characters for at least 11 years. I used to love when Punisher would guest appear in other heroes series. I'd just get a kick out of reading Frank's interaction (or lack of) with other marvel superheroes. But what makes me love him so much is that to guys like Captain America and Spider-man, the guy's a criminal. Spidey and Cap are dickin' around with supervillians while Franks just whips out his sawed off shotgun and blows stilt man's head off. I love seeing that play out. I love underdogs really. Sure, I know a TON about Spider-man, Batman, and Superman, but I know even more about Daredevil, Deadpool, John Constantine, and Good 'ol Frank.

I would show my support more with my array of Punisher t-shirts, but I always feel stupid when I see a group of 14 year olds walking out of Hot Topic clad in Frank's signature skull. You should have to take a quiz on the material in order to buy the merchandise.