Does anybody miss the simpler days?

[KingOfDreams]

And the new creative teams on Uncanny and Adjectiveless are terrific!!!

I'll agree with you on Uncanny but not on Adjectiveless. I can't stand Bachalo's art.

 

[Valechan]

Still, the stories are terrific, even if you don't like th art, compared to the previous three writers, this book's amazing right now, and only 2 issues came out!!!

 

[Valechan]

What I truly find annoying about books these days is that every single issue is part of a saga, instead of a stand-alone issue. Everything is part x of x... it gets really annoying this new "let's make saga after saga to sell tpbs!" trend.

 

[KingOfDreams]

Still, the stories are terrific, even if you don't like th art, compared to the previous three writers, this book's amazing right now, and only 2 issues came out!!!

I know Carey's a good writer but I just can't get past the art.

 

[KingOfDreams]

What I truly find annoying about books these days is that every single issue is part of a saga, instead of a stand-alone issue. Everything is part x of x... it gets really annoying this new "let's make saga after saga to sell tpbs!" trend.

That's beginning to annoy me too. I miss the days before tpbs were popular. I also really like what they did in the 60s and 70s, especially with Spider-Man. The stories built onto each other but there was no story arc per se for the most part. Everything was linear yet each issue was accesible and usually not confusing if you hadn't read the previous one.

 

[Cyclops]

The most you'd usually get was a two-parter. And that didn't happen too often. It's that damn decompression. You get so little story per book.

 

[3dman27]

The most you'd usually get was a two-parter. And that didn't happen too often. It's that damn decompression. You get so little story per book.

yeah that sucks

 

[Doc Destruction]

The most you'd usually get was a two-parter. And that didn't happen too often. It's that damn decompression. You get so little story per book.

I couldn't agree more. The TPB thing has really watered down the state of storytelling.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Oh, and as for the fisticuffs thing...

Before - Two heroes of dubious reputation meet by accident. One gets in the other one's way. Quick fight ensues before they realize how stupid they're acting.

Civil War - We should have a law to register heroes! NO! OH YEAH??? BAM! WHAP! *scuffle scuffle scuffle* And someone is about to be killed, yet. Lame.

 

[roach]

Oh, and as for the fisticuffs thing...

Before - Two heroes of dubious reputation meet by accident. One gets in the other one's way. Quick fight ensues before they realize how stupid they're acting.

Civil War - We should have a law to register heroes! NO! OH YEAH??? BAM! WHAP! *scuffle scuffle scuffle* And someone is about to be killed, yet. Lame.

Both are stupid...if im a superhero fighting good and i see a guy in a costume calling himself Captain America i'd kind of think he was on the good side

 

[Valechan]

Both are stupid...if im a superhero fighting good and i see a guy in a costume calling himself Captain America i'd kind of think he was on the good side

Unless your superhero name is Captain Communism...

 

[Darthphere]

I couldn't agree more. The TPB thing has really watered down the state of storytelling.

Not necessarily.

 

[Valechan]

I'd say yes necessarily. Did you not read the first New Avengers arc? That story could have been told in two issues top, yet they used six, and the story dragged on forever. They really stretch the stories nowadays, using a lot of one-page splashs and needless, speechless panels.

 

[Darthphere]

I'd say yes necessarily. Did you not read the first New Avengers arc? That story could have been told in two issues top, yet they used six, and the story dragged on forever. They really stretch the stories nowadays, using a lot of one-page splashs and needless, speechless panels.

Who writes New Avengers? 'Nuff said really. Lets look at another 6 issue arc, Brubaker's Daredevil, can you say you didnt get a full 6 issues worth of story in that?

 

[Doc Destruction]

Yes, BUT...there will always be exception. OVERALL the TPB train of thought has had a detrimental effect.

 

[Darthphere]

Yes, BUT...there will always be exception. OVERALL the TPB train of thought has had a detrimental effect.

Not necessarily.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Yes, that's what overall means. Not necessarily means not %100 of the time. I got that, and agreed with you.

 

[Darthphere]

I dont think the TPB train is having a detrimental effect at all. Every 6 issue arc im reading right now im extremely happy with. You're speaking about a minority of titles and making it seem like its a huge problem plaguing all titles, its not. You just gotta read the right titles.

 

[Phaedrus45]

The problem with single or double issue stories is that the stories that get remembered by everyone usually have been rather lengthy. The Dark Phoenix Saga, The Kree/Skrull War, and even The Coming Of Galactus...those are the stories I remember most from when I first started reading comics. And, if a comic today tries to keep a story limited to an issue or two, the comic buying public doesn't back it up. Spider-Girl is always struggling to stay afloat, Slott has to practically beg people on the Hype to buy his monthly titles, and Marvel Adventures is just plain crap.

 

[Elijya]

That's beginning to annoy me too. I miss the days before tpbs were popular. I also really like what they did in the 60s and 70s, especially with Spider-Man. The stories built onto each other but there was no story arc per se for the most part. Everything was linear yet each issue was accesible and usually not confusing if you hadn't read the previous one.

Read Invincible, it's exactly what you're talking about. If you enjoy Runaways, Invincible is right up your alley

hippy fascist is right in the middle of the first volume and he's already in love with it

 

[KingOfDreams]

Unless your superhero name is Captain Communism...

The Red Guardian?

 

[Darthphere]

Read Invincible, it's exactly what you're talking about. If you enjoy Runaways, Invincible is right up your alley

hippy fascist is right in the middle of the first volume and he's already in love with it

I made love to it.

 

[KingOfDreams]

Read Invincible, it's exactly what you're talking about. If you enjoy Runaways, Invincible is right up your alley

hippy fascist is right in the middle of the first volume and he's already in love with it

Yeah, I think I should start from the beginning too. And actually, I'm going to defend trades for a second here. They're a good and easy way to get into a series. I got into Astonishing X-Men through the first trade after all.

 

[gildea]

I dont think the TPB train is having a detrimental effect at all. Every 6 issue arc im reading right now im extremely happy with. You're speaking about a minority of titles and making it seem like its a huge problem plaguing all titles, its not. You just gotta read the right titles.

Applauds.

(Very loudly)

 

[KingOfDreams]

I think a compromise needs to be met. Comicbooks today are too focused on shock value, too focused on shaking things up and focusing more on the creator over the creation.

But the fans buy. After all, if it wasn't Bendis writing New Avengers, would it have become number one? Likely not.

I'd like to find the middle ground. The fun of the old days with the storytelling flair of modern times.

I agree. I think it'll happen too eventually. There seems to be a ton of backlash from Civil War, etc. on these boards and I hope that's an indication of where the average hardcore fan stands. Whether there's enough of us to make a difference isn't clear though.