Does Marvel have a problem with their villains?

[BarryAllen]

Osborn is in my top 5 villains in all of comics. I think they got the Norman Osborn part right in Sam Raimis Spider-man, but not the Green Goblin. I'm excited to see what Marvel can do with the villain.
You know it's funny to hear certain people complain about Marvels Villains and then say, "Id hate to see them ruin any of Spider-mans villains like they ruined Malekith or Mandarin!"
...as if any of Spider-mans villains are on the same level as Malekith or Mandarin.

Well anything's possible. These are the same people that butchered Ultron, one of the biggest villains of not just the Avengers, but the entire MU. If they can mess up with someone like Ultron (who is on a Spidey villain level), who's to say they won't mess up with actual Spidey villains?

 

[Dasher10]

Malekith isn't on the same level as Mandarin or Green Goblin in terms of importance.

Marvel did ruin him but Thor's greatest enemies are Loki, Surtur, Jormagundr, Hela and Enchantress. Malekith shares the second tier with Perrikus, Gorr and Mangog.

And just so we're clear, I am really, really, really looking forward to Dormammu, Zemo and Surtur in the MCU and I hope that Marvel don't ruin them.

 

[Flint Marko]

Well anything's possible. These are the same people that butchered Ultron, one of the biggest villains of not just the Avengers, but the entire MU. If they can mess up with someone like Ultron (who is on a Spidey villain level), who's to say they won't mess up with actual Spidey villains?

I disagree that they messed up Ultron.
And again, no matter what they do with Spider-mans villains, odds are it will be head and shoulders above the alternative if the character was still at Sony's mercy.

 

[MadVillainy]

With Scott and Hope there really wasn't much of a love angle to it. Maybe they get there but right now it's just small potatoes.

i dont mean "love" interest literally. I just meant general romantic interest

 

[TeeKay]

I disagree too. Only problem with Ultron was he was just wasn't as physically strong as he should have been but characterization was spot on. He's child like, bitter, psychotic, manic and has a God complex. That is Ultron.

 

[starscream22]

I disagree too. Only problem with Ultron was he was just wasn't as physically strong as he should have been but characterization was spot on. He's child like, bitter, psychotic, manic and has a God complex. That is Ultron.

Agreed.

 

[MyMommaSaidSo]

I think their issue is they make a villain every movie -- which you have to do since they introduce so many tiny universes.

Harry Potter always had the same villain in every movie and secondary villains throughout...so did Star Wars. Marvel makes a new bad guy everytime and we only have 2 hours to love 'em.

SN: Ultron was great to me

 

[CaptainWagner]

I disagree too. Only problem with Ultron was he was just wasn't as physically strong as he should have been but characterization was spot on. He's child like, bitter, psychotic, manic and has a God complex. That is Ultron.

Yep. I don't get the complaints about his character. Sure, he didn't get nearly enough development or attention, but the character was nailed.

 

[First Avenger]

Ultron is my favourite MCU villain. It was more of a psychological threat compared to phisical powerhouse in the comics but I really enjoyed what Joss and Spader did with him. Hope to see him again in the future.

 

[Mjölnir]

I loved Ultron as well. I still hold Loki higher but he's second in the MCU and easily top 5 in superhero movies overall.

 

[First Avenger]

I also found his plan fascinating. He had great Lines too throghout the movie. I also did not find him as weak as many say. I mean he was put against the likes of Thor,Hulk,Vision and Scarlet. Cap was saved twice(by Nat and Pietro),he neutralized both Vision and Thor for a little and killed Pietro. And Sokovia was actually dropping from the sky.

 

[Flint Marko]

Ultron was fine. I understand why some people might have been disappointed with his portrayal though.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Ultron's characterization was great. There was a lot of detail put into his personality. He was cocky, immature, diabolical, mentally disturbed, and he had a god complex. He just needed more attention.

I have no idea why but there was one line that I liked that really showed the immaturity he had. It was when Vision cut him off from the internet. His reaction was just:

"You cut me off! So what!? You think I care!?"

That sounds exactly like what a child throwing a tantrum would say.

 

[metaphysician]

A lot of the anti-Ultron arguments really do sound like they were expecting Skynet-with-body.

 

[marvellover]

Considered the track record of MCU villains,Ultron being 2nd isn't anything impressive
It's like saying FF4 is better movie than Elektra,it might be exaggerating but you get the idea
He's still my top 3 MCU villains but honestly it's not saying much
I like his design and he's not a human,that's what separates him from other generic MCU villains the most

I'm totally fine with Marvel giving him a personality as opposed to being just a cold killing robot in comics,but he's still portrayed badly as an Avengers villain

From I have seen from the movie,he's acting like a stupid villain,it's not just child like personality
There were a lot of decisions that didn't really justify him as a "smart" robot that Marvel wanted to portray him to be,unless I'm missing something
There were moments that would make me say,"Ultron had to do this stupid move so that the Avengers stood a chance to stop him"

I still found him weak as a threat,not a villain but an actual threat to Avengers and humanity in the movie
Vision could have finished him alone,and he barely finished any kind of humanity at the end
Thor and Iron Man stopped his plan without much effort

I feel there are quite a lot of people defending Ultron as a "good" villain are just the ones that never want to admit Marvel has had difficulty of putting off an actual great CBM villain,like the Joker
I had high hope in Marvel putting off their own version of Joker,especially with the voice from James Spader,but it turned to be a huge disappintment

I hope he will come back and someone other than Joss Whedon will actually make a better and more accurate movie version of him later
Maybe Thanos could revive him when he rips out the mind gem from Vision's head
But chance of Ultron coming back as a central Avengers villain is slim

One could make an interesting and dangerous villain that would actually pose a huge threat without plot devices to weaken him so that heroes could stand a chance to beat him at the same time

 

[TeeKay]

Considered the track record of MCU villains,Ultron being 2nd isn't anything impressive
It's like saying FF4 is better movie than Elektra,it might be exaggerating but you get the idea
He's still my top 3 MCU villains but honestly it's not saying much
I like his design and he's not a human,that's what separates him from other generic MCU villains the most

I'm totally fine with Marvel giving him a personality as opposed to being just a cold killing robot in comics,but he's still portrayed badly as an Avengers villain

From I have seen from the movie,he's acting like a stupid villain,it's not just child like personality
There were a lot of decisions that didn't really justify him as a "smart" robot that Marvel wanted to portray him to be,unless I'm missing something
There were moments that would make me say,"Ultron had to do this stupid move so that the Avengers stood a chance to stop him"

I still found him weak as a threat,not a villain but an actual threat to Avengers and humanity in the movie
Vision could have finished him alone,and he barely finished any kind of humanity at the end
Thor and Iron Man stopped his plan without much effort

I feel there are quite a lot of people defending Ultron as a "good" villain are just the ones that never want to admit Marvel has had difficulty of putting off an actual great CBM ,like the Joker
I had high hope in Marvel putting off their own version of Joker,especially with the voice from James Spader,but it turned to be a huge disappintment

I hope he will come back and someone other than Joss Whedon will actually make a better and more accurate movie version of him later
Maybe Thanos could revive him when he rips out the mind gem from Vision's head
But chance of Ultron coming back as a central Avengers villain is slim

One could make an interesting and dangerous villain that would actually pose a huge threat without plot devices to weaken him so that heroes could stand a chance to beat him at the same time

In other words, "I don't agree with what these people are saying so I should start making assumptions on the opinions of the the people who don't agree with me."

 

[CaptainWagner]

I loved Ultron, but I'm not going to deny that Marvel has a problem with their villains. Ultron, Loki, Stane, Red Skull, and Pierce were the only truly great villains. Hammer and Killian were victims of not being the focus of the film. Whiplash, Malekith, Ronan, and Yellowjacket were all shameful wastes of brilliant characters, designs, and actors.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A lot of the anti-Ultron arguments really do sound like they were expecting Skynet-with-body.

Or just something, you know, closer to the comics? The reason we loved the character in he first place and why we were excited to see him?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see how Ultron wasn't comic accurate. Sure, he wasn't built by Henry Pym, but he was still the psychotic, spoiled child he is in every appearance he makes. Ultron was never a cold, logical villain like the Corey Burton Brainiac people seemed to want to make him. This is the same guy that built himself a bride out of his mother's image because he was lonely.

 

[Flint Marko]

Ultron was, for all intents and purposes, true to his comic book incarnation. If making Stark his creator and giving him a quippy personality qualifies as a huge deviation from the source material then I'm afraid nearly every on screen villain has been drastically altered.

 

[First Avenger]

Plus he had 3-4 quips at best.

 

[TeeKay]

"Clearly you've never made an ommlet""I can't physically throw up in my mouth""With the benefit of hindsight" That's all I could remember being quips. The rest was just him saying things that were unintentionally funny like the the Frisbee line, eh children, guys wait! Etc. But with the way people talk about it here, you'd think he was a standup comedian. He had a couple great lines and speeches in the film. His talk at the party and his monologue as Sokovia rose up were pure comic book Ultron moments especially when he said, "it means nothing" as Hawkeye destroyed one of his bodies only for him to emerge in the next drone beside it.

Ultron's clearly broken and insane, but that doesn't take away from the fact he's written as being capable of ending humanity. If anything it adds to the fact that you can't really reason with him. Completely, 100% unhinged. And it was just so tragic to see. He didn't seem like the sociopath who used insanity as a crutch for their maliciousness, but a genuinely broken individual who could not see how or why what they were doing was wrong, even when they saw that something was indeed wrong about it. The way he kept changing his goals and motives and desires felt less like the rationalizing of most villains, and more like the insane ramblings of a truly broken, disjointed mind.

And he certainly took after his 'father' in the Snark department, which is a definite plus.

 

[BarryAllen]

I think the big missed oppotunity with Ultron was giving him a more comic-accurate face. I liked the hypocrisy of a robot who cannot express and hates humanity yet becomes more human through his rage. With Ultron being able to express, you kind of lost that (and I couldn't take him seriously). I don't know why they didn't go any of the other concept art ideas (which looked way better):

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

He was no where near as menacing and dangerous as in the comics for me, in fact he didn't come across as a threat at all. And I don't think he was comic like in his plans or personality.

 

[TeeKay]

Sure his plans were different in AoU but personality and character traits? Disagreed. The only thing Whedon added to him was the emoting face and Starks snarkiness for obvious reasons.