Logan Does the events of "Logan" ruin "Days of Future Past" for you?

[GuestStar2004]

I think the thing about Logan is that because its was jackmans last movie you needed to acknowledge the previous movies because it made it feel like an end of a journey while if you don't have that then it feels like a totally new wolverine.

I don't know how much of it will play into the franchise moving forward but we will have to see.

 

[marvelrobbins]

In that scene Hank was questioning if the war itself was inevitable, he says that before even mentioning Mystique. The main question was is humanity destined to screw over mutantkind. Who Mystique is as a person was secondary. Even the intro of the movie asked this question.

"The future: a dark, desolate world. A world of war, suffering, loss on both sides. Mutants, and the humans who dared to help them, fighting an enemy we cannot defeat. Are we destined down this path, destined to destroy ourselves like so many species before us? Or can we evolve fast enough to change ourselves... change our fate? Is the future truly set?"

In Apocalypse(which is by the same creative team) gives us an answer. Humanity still hates and fears Mutants, using Mutants as gladiators, and ends with mutants being a controversial topic like in X1. With Magneto and Xavier having the same exact conversation from word for word.

And a delete scene from DOFP showed that the only reason the sentinel program was shut down was because Nixon saw them as ineffective against Mutants and wanted to fight them with other Mutants(possibly alluding to Weapon X since Stryker is there). So it seems like this was alway their answer.

And remember: the X-Men comics(including the original Day of Future Past), 90s show, and Wolverine and the X-Men play with this time travel trope of time being immutable. Just when things start to look good, you found out that there is still a dark future, it's just a bit different.

Singer was certainly down with the premise of LOGAN. Since according to Kinberg the Weapon X scene in Apocalypse was there to set-up the events of that film and you can see Wolverine kill a bunch of scientists if you rewatch it.

Mangold does play with the idea of time being immutable by implying that the events of "The Wolverine" went down in the new timeline with the presence of the katana in Logan's room.

very true.this all makes the 10 films in franchise-6 X-men films,deadpool,and wolverine trilogy all despite new timeline created with DOFP be part of same series.Singer called apocalypse culmination of 6 films and Logan is suspose to be followup to all the films with jackman's swan song.

The wolverine is hinted to still taking place only this time without wolverine
greaving and guilt by jean's death.

Singer with DOFP did best to merge all films together and there are things in Apocalypse which ties to all other main X films and even steps up logan in a way.

even in comics the time travel mission didn't erase threat.Kelly whose assassination caused the 2013 future of comic version helped start the government sentinle wideawake program in comics.

all the future of DOFP ending showed if the mansion will be school in 2023 like in OT with most of X-Men in trilogy there yet you have no idea how 2023 is for mutants in the world.even in comics X-Men will have fun with baseball game or the like when outside the mansion things are terrable for mutants.

 

[henzINNIT]

It's incredible how painfully big is the amount of people who don't get a simple concept as this. Terrible.

Do you really think James Logan has been held captive by William Stryker for 10 YEARS???? 1973-1983?

Mystique just freed him at the end of DOFP. So he lived his life as always for 10 years.
Then...
He was TRULY captured by the real William Stryker in 1982 or so. I would say 6 months before the events of "Apocalypse" (1983).

Pathetic.

By all means, fan-w*ank some logic into this series and do whatever you like to live with the plot-holes, but don't patronise those who don't drink your cool-aid. Fact is things were presented in DOFP that were totally ignored in Apocalypse. It caused so much confusion because it was needlessly confusing.

What YOU don't seem to understand is that DoFP is a time travel story and it's heavily implied that history was changed and events will not transpire the way we expect. Mystique rescuing Logan disguised as Stryker is an example of this.

Sure 10 years is a long time. You can imagine many events occurring during that time. It's not good story telling though.

Yes mate, yes.

Years pass between films all the time, but a competent film-maker recognises that the audience needs a certain amount of information if things have drastically changed between movies.

Fox have displayed a pretty careless approach to continuity throughout, but Singer (for all his strengths) is the worst offender. He just doesn't care.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

LOGAN IS NOT SET IN THE SAME UNIVERSE OF THE OTHER MOVIES!!
LOGAN IS SET IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE.

It was said by the director and Hugh Jackman.

 

[psylockolussus]

Huh? Source?

 

[henzINNIT]

Unsurprisingly, Logan does line up pretty well with The Wolverine. Even the post credit sequence where Charles and Erik warn of the "end of our kind". Trask Industries is seeded there, but only as a developer of prosthetic limbs (similar to those of the Reavers) and 2015 is probably about the time that people would notice mutants are no longer developing if none were born since 2004.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Huh? Source?

Logan is not set in the same universe as the X-Men movies, says Hugh Jackman

Talking exclusively to Digital Spy Hugh Jackman revealed that he and director James Mangold had decided to ignore the various complicated X-Men timelines and that they don't even see the film existing in quite the same world.

"When you see the full movie you'll understand," he told us. "Not only is it different in terms of timeline and tone, it's a slightly different universe. It's actually a different paradigm and that will become clear."

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wo...an-says-logan-different-universe-x-men-films/

Just like the original is set on Earth-616 and Old Man Logan is from the Earth-807128, Logan is set somewhere in-between.

 

[psylockolussus]

He probably meant the original trilogy and the first two Wolverine films.

 

[marvelrobbins]

LOGAN IS NOT SET IN THE SAME UNIVERSE OF THE OTHER MOVIES!!
LOGAN IS SET IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE.

It was said by the director and Hugh Jackman.

mangold clearifyed it was after all the other films.jackman was taken out of context.

 

[guyisnotcool]

mangold clearifyed it was after all the other films.jackman was taken out of context.

Plus who cares if this is set in the same universe? It takes place in future.

 

[Stan Lee]

Pathetic.

By all means, fan-w*ank some logic into this series and do whatever you like to live with the plot-holes, but don't patronise those who don't drink your cool-aid. Fact is things were presented in DOFP that were totally ignored in Apocalypse. It caused so much confusion because it was needlessly confusing.



Yes mate, yes.

Years pass between films all the time, but a competent film-maker recognises that the audience needs a certain amount of information if things have drastically changed between movies.

Fox have displayed a pretty careless approach to continuity throughout, but Singer (for all his strengths) is the worst offender. He just doesn't care.

People just forgot Wolverine's military history in the original timeline. That is all.

Just like how many people forgot that Xavier read Logan's mind back in 1973 and thinks that him knowing the events of the old timeline is a plot hole.

 

[marvelrobbins]

People just forgot Wolverine's military history in the original timeline. That is all.

Just like how many people forgot that Xavier read Logan's mind back in 1973 and thinks that him knowing the events of the old timeline is a plot hole.

true enough.

 

[Legion]

People just forgot Wolverine's military history in the original timeline. That is all.

Just like how many people forgot that Xavier read Logan's mind back in 1973 and thinks that him knowing the events of the old timeline is a plot hole.

You mean how in the original timeline Logan meets Stryker in Vietnam during the war and in DoFP Logan is in the US in 1973 when the US is withdrawing from the war?

 

[henzINNIT]

People just forgot Wolverine's military history in the original timeline. That is all.

Just like how many people forgot that Xavier read Logan's mind back in 1973 and thinks that him knowing the events of the old timeline is a plot hole.

Who forgot, and how are either even relevent to my post?

 

[Mutant 77]

Pathetic.

By all means, fan-w*ank some logic into this series and do whatever you like to live with the plot-holes, but don't patronise those who don't drink your cool-aid.

Calm down, kid. Are you crazy? Do you really think Logan has been a prisoner for 10 years? LMAO. It's EVIDENT he has been captured by Stryker some time before "Apocalypse". What's wrong with that?

 

[danoyse]

Calm down, kid. Are you crazy? Do you really think Logan has been a prisoner for 10 years? LMAO. It's EVIDENT he has been captured by Stryker some time before "Apocalypse". What's wrong with that?

How about you calm down, and stop arguing with everyone who doesn't go along all of your timeline posts?

 

[GothamBat]

I'm just bummed they didn't capitalize off of it.. we finally had all the x-men together with Jean Grey and Cyclops back. They could have at least done one more movie before jumping right into the dystopian future and killing off everyone. We could have an X-men movie with the full roster (including beast) that wasn't a goofy and dated because it was made in the early 2000s

 

[GothamBat]

we also could have gotten eased into the dystopian future rather than have it foisted on us without any set up or precursor

 

[GuestStar2004]

we also could have gotten eased into the dystopian future rather than have it foisted on us without any set up or precursor

That was kinda the idea, mangold wanted a gap of several years that he could do his own thing with.

It wasn't exactly a dystopian future though but it was the set up Mangold wanted rather than it having been some kind of plan.

 

[Mutant 77]

I'm just bummed they didn't capitalize off of it.. we finally had all the x-men together with Jean Grey and Cyclops back. They could have at least done one more movie before jumping right into the dystopian future and killing off everyone. We could have an X-men movie with the full roster (including beast) that wasn't a goofy and dated because it was made in the early 2000s

I say: alternate universe.

I'm loving this discussion and we are ALL getting along pretty well. Some nice people here.

 

[The Guard]

Speaking of the X-Men timeline and its issues...it occurs to me that LOGAN may have accidentally managed to fix two of the ones people complain the most about.

Xavier saying he met Magneto when he was 17 (which FIRST CLASS contradicts) and Xavier saying Magneto helped him build Cerebro are quite possibly now not continuity errors, but just early signs of Xavier's emerging dementia.

 

[Shoppy]

Up until the second Wolverine movie it all pretty much fits, barring some stupid character inclusions in the first Wolverine movie, so you can take...

X-MEN: FIRST CLASS
X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE
X-MEN
X2: X-MEN UNITED
X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND
THE WOLVERINE

...as all being one timeline (along with Daredevil, Elektra and the first two Fantastic Four movies)...

LOGAN is a slightly different world, where the X-Men are remembered as heroes, and whatever you think you know of their story, only a quarter of it happened like that, as Wolverine himself states in Logan.

The LEGION TV series is also a separate world, as that is modern day, but the government are only just learning about mutants.

So there you've got 3 different timelines.

... as for Days Of Future Past .... I don't see how it follows from the original trilogy, because NEITHER version of 1973 in that movie leads to the world we see in the first X_MEN ...
It starts with a timeline that goes...
FIRST CLASS >>> dude gets assassinated >>> future full of sentinels,Wolverine sent back (after several timeline changes by Bishop)
... and ends with a timeline that goes ...
FIRST CLASS >>> DAYS OF FUTURE PAST >>> APOCALYPSE >>> (DEADPOOL) >>> Future Wolverine wakes up in at the end.
... at which point,any events leading up to the future full of Sentinels that did mirror the original trilogy and Wolverine movies have now been re-written, as Jean is still alive and we also have a different version of Wade Wilson running around in his own movie.

I watched the movies in this order either side of seeing LOGAN at the cinema and it really works a hell of a lot better than watching them in release order ...

X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE
X-MEN
X2: X-MEN UNITED
X-MEN 3: THE LAST STAND
THE WOLVERINE

LOGAN

X-MEN: FIRST CLASS
X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST
X-MEN: APOCALYPSE
DEADPOOL


.... So, No, Logan doesn't ruin the events of Days Of Future Past for me one bit.

 

[AgentGojiraRgr]

Speaking of the X-Men timeline and its issues...it occurs to me that LOGAN may have accidentally managed to fix two of the ones people complain the most about.

Xavier saying he met Magneto when he was 17 (which FIRST CLASS contradicts) and Xavier saying Magneto helped him build Cerebro are quite possibly now not continuity errors, but just early signs of Xavier's emerging dementia.

Mindblown

 

[henzINNIT]

Speaking of the X-Men timeline and its issues...it occurs to me that LOGAN may have accidentally managed to fix two of the ones people complain the most about.

Xavier saying he met Magneto when he was 17 (which FIRST CLASS contradicts) and Xavier saying Magneto helped him build Cerebro are quite possibly now not continuity errors, but just early signs of Xavier's emerging dementia.

Well that is depressing haha.

Works well enough for the age inconsistancy, though not so much the Cerebro thing. In X2 it appears Magneto did help build Cerebro as it's not just Xavier's recollection of events, Stryker uses Mags' intimate knowledge of the device to build his own.

 

[Mutant 77]

Speaking of the X-Men timeline and its issues...it occurs to me that LOGAN may have accidentally managed to fix two of the ones people complain the most about.

Xavier saying he met Magneto when he was 17 (which FIRST CLASS contradicts) and Xavier saying Magneto helped him build Cerebro are quite possibly now not continuity errors, but just early signs of Xavier's emerging dementia.

As you already know, to me 'FIRST CLASS' belongs to a second timeline and Xavier's recollections in X1 are 100% right because that was Timeline 1.

Indeed, in X2 Magneto confirmed Charles' claims.