Doubting the Ghost Rider Movie

[Chaos Bringer]

Punisher was the suck. I have never been that let down in a comic adaptation. I couldn't believe how terrible it was. What's worse is that there are people and fans who enjoyed it. What a ghastly concept.
As for DD, Directors cut or not, nothing will save it from Affleck. His suit rocked. Kingpin was wasted, not miscast.
Elektra? Yuk.
Marvel has been graced with Spidey and The X films but little else.
I have some faith in GR only cuz I'd like to think that the Director MSJ has learned from his past Marvel Mistakes. One only hopes. Then again Uwe Boll keeps going and going...I'll see GR, just like I saw DD and Elektra and *shivers* Punisher. I'm hopeful.

 

[Riding Ghost]

i just want a movie that is well done and be true as much as possible to the character/story.

Thats all I want too.

As far as the popularity issue, one thing is certain, it IS now or never for GR in the public eye. I like to think and I kinda believe that GR is cool enough to bring in a lot of people (which can be both good and bad) and this movie could blow a lot of minds, but if that doesn't happen after the events of next year, then it will never happen and that question(of weither or not GR can ever be "Spiderman-esque" in public stature) can be permanently put to rest.

 

[FlameHead]

You're right Riding, if the movie doesn't finally bring Ghost Rider into the public eye, nothing ever will... and I'm very positive that this'll finally do it. That image, moving, scaring and beatin' the crap out of baddies will make people fall in love.

Well in all honesty I believe it will not do well outside of comic book fans. Spiderman, as much as I dislike the character, is Marvel's cornerstone character. I think Spiderman even if the movie sucked, would have done well because of the mass appeal. The Hulk should have done better, but IMHO it was weak.

I think Daredevil, Elecktra, Blade, GR, great characters, but only to comic book geeks. This is why I chuckle everytime I see.. Deathlok movie in the works, or some other minimal character getting a movie. Hey get ready for Ashlee Simpson as "Jubilee" in her own flick.. yeah.. woohoo..

I think the GR movie would have to be a cut above Spiderman just to break even. Going to be tough... I think each one of us will have to pay to see the movie 250x just to make a dent.. lol

HFM

Spider-Man would have done well regardless yes... but it would never have grossed the amount that it did if it sucked. Because it was critically acclaimed, many outside the comic lore went to see it... numerous times.

As for GR breakin' even, I have no fear in it doin' so... even before the DVD release.

 

[hellfiremaster]

Spider-Man would have done well regardless yes... but it would never have grossed the amount that it did if it sucked. Because it was critically acclaimed, many outside the comic lore went to see it... numerous times.

As for GR breakin' even, I have no fear in it doin' so... even before the DVD release.

I am not saying what it, spiderman, did, I am saying if it sucked it would still have done well. I know what it did. For example, Planet of the Apes, sucked and did well. Because it was a known brand.

If GR sucks, it won't do jack. I believe alot of GR's success will hinge on the trailers, previews more than any other Marvel film.

HFM

 

[xcan28]

ANd no.... I'm not flamming here...

But with the almost ONE YEAR push back, and now the micro "teaser" I feel very worried for the flick.

From what I understand there isn't a set budget..it's kinda floating. But from what I saw in the "trailer" either the studio has to invest HEAVILY or... don't bother releasing it at all.

We know it'll come out somehow, but seriously... don't release it just for the sake of doing it... and I don't think (director guy, forgot his name) can afford another bomb.

 

[str8raz0r]

Ermmm...DD didn't exactly "bomb." If I'm remembering correctly, it actually made pretty decent money, ESPECIALLY in DVD sales. According to IMDB (I know it's a dubious source, but it can't be THAT far off), it grossed ~103 Million theatrically. Considering the fairly lean 75 million budget, that ain't bad. I have no idea what DVD sales were, but I was working for Best Buy at the time, and they were FLYING off the shelves.

Also, the director's cut, from what I've heard (I've never seen it), shows a much better film than what Fox released theatrically.

Have some faith. Sony just decided to give it a better chance than it may have had in Summer '06. Would you rather it get lost in a deluge of big-name sequels (X3, Superman Returns, Pirates 2, etc.) or put in the underrated Pres. Day weekend, where it can really shine?

Sony's giving MSJ the chance to make a movie by his own terms, it seems. That, coupled with Nic Cage's passion (the man's got a GR tat, for chrissakes!) and a pretty solid cast, means that this more than likely will be at LEAST a sleeper hit.

 

[xcan28]

I was gonna say critical "bomb" but you are right...all that matters to the studios is the financial return... I'm not critising cause obviously some people bought into the guy and I didn't mind DD...but....

 

[xxAPCxx]

Yea the theatrical version of DD just cleared $100 million theatrically and it did well on DVD, you guys were right however in the the directors cut was soooooo much better even though i liked the theatrical release as well.

anyway i see ghost rider getting "The Punisher" numbers. Poorly theatrically, good on DVD.

 

[xcan28]

But the whole "it'll make coin on DVD" will have to be re-evaluated. I hope the public demands quality...I'd rather see no GR movie then one of "others" quality...

 

[screenamesuck]

The budget for Ghost Rider is $150 million. During this extra year they are working on Ghost Rider along with all other characters special fx's. You haven't seen a real trailer yet, so hold your negative comments back until you see the real thing. I've been a fan of Ghost Rider since I was a little boy so I consider myself to be a real big fan and his look is right on target. I'm not sure what all these other lurkers that have all of a sudden started browsing this board are expecting. I don't think it can look any better and if it does i'll be surprised.

 

[screenamesuck]

Also did you read why it was pushed back a year??? Did you notice all the other big movies coming out the same time as GR. You have Pirates2 and Superman to name a few. It wouldn't stand much of a chance against those two with the average movie goer's. Sure the true fans will be there. They moved it to the new date because movies have a high rep for making big bucks around that time

 

[xcan28]

First rule in LIFE....Never fear (Little DD "man without..." reference.

If you are or have quality...you don't back down. The reason this has been pushed back is due to fear. 150???? Man...if it's half that I'd seriously be suprised.

You don't think they realized what pics were coming out when they made it??? A studio will not invest that amount of money into it and push it back as far as they did unless they know it is uber crap.

Lets just hope they make the wait worth it...or just don't release it at all. But with the dollars tied into it, it's coming for better or worse.

 

[screenamesuck]

Just go to the thread that talks about it being pushed back and you will read what MSJ had to say about the push back. Now they don't have to rush to meet a deadline. They can take their time and make GR look the way he is suppose to be. And yes it is $150M. I think he has a lot of faith that it will do well since he said he would rather do another GR flick before moving onto another movie.

 

[craigaat]

Ghost Rider doesn't have the same appeal as Spiderman and X-Men etc. It's mostly only going to appeal to the core fans and will probably have to rely on word of mouth. Just give it a chance, as you can see from the footage the digital effects have to be spot-on for it to work. That'll be why the release date was moved, and who knows? It might be moved again.

 

[Mr Nick]

Well, all that I've read in the last year on the 'hype has me convinced it'll be good. How it will perform at the box office though, no-one can say.

I'm looking forward to seeing the marketing machine start to roll. Just how are they going to introduce this largely unknown character to the mass audience? And I think only then will we really see just how 'big' the studio perceive this movie to be.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

It's not just about the film's quality, it's about the film's appeal. Imagine audiences choosing what to see next summer. Ghost Rider would be a long, long way down the list.

In feb, it has the whole playing field to itself. Big fish in small pond.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

Will this pic make it outta the garbage can??

I think that's a little harsh, Sony is going to be moving several movies I've heard.

 

[The Man Of 16]

So far he isnt translating to film very nicely. I never read too much ghost rider but the storyline better be immaculate because so far it looks like its gonna take a lot to redeem it already. It better not end up like fantastic 4.

does anyone know what the storyline is? There wasnt one in fantastic 4, there better be one in ghost rider.

 

[screenamesuck]

What exactly are you complaining about. What do you mean he isnt translating to film very nicely. I think everything is perfect so far, but that coming from someone thats been a fan for about 17 years.

 

[CConn]

 

[The Geek Vault]

*tear* I miss E. Bison. And yes CCon is right.

 

[HighVoltage]

I need a new post before this thread is closed.p

 

[zer00]

Closed.

 

[NDX]

Well, this is 37 seconds I'll never get back. Thanks.

 

[skorponok]

NO ONE is a man at 16...that's all I'm saying...I don't care how much chest hair you have...