Dr. Strange: Rotten Tomato Watch Thread

[iEquinox]

The US gets most of these movies late because in the US, there's holidays at the start of May and November, Marvel's two main release dates. In most other countries those holidays are a week earlier. So to maximize box office numbers they release them first in those other countries, and a week later in the US.

They've been doing this since Iron Man 2, the first movie that was released in the US late.
It's not a coincidence that all MCU movies that weren't released in the US late since then, are all of those released in July (or on August 1st).

So you can expect the US to get most MCU movies late.
SM:H and AM&TW and should be the exceptions, because they'll be released in July as well.

 

[kedrell]

Ah, that makes sense.

 

[kedrell]

Oh and I just noticed they did the Certified Fresh thing finally.

 

[Ozbridge]

Weird, according to imdb CA: TFA was released in the US on the same day or even a week before international markets
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458339/releaseinfo
So the movie that has by far the highest increase was also the movie that has the earliest USA release date compared to international markets.
That supports the theory that US critics give these movies a lower score than overseas critics.

Ant-Man is a bit different, it was released in quite a few countries 1 day before the USA, but many other markets got it about a week later.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478970/releaseinfo

Or are the dates listed on imdb not accurate?

According to BOM CA: TFA made 2.9M in Italy exactly 1 week before US premiere, it was wide release so I considered CA: TFA to be released overseas first. Maybe there was a change at last minute and IMDB didn't update. In Ant-Man case there were screenings in Australia and Bulgaria 1 week before US release.

believe me, T:TDW and Ant-Man opend in the US weeks before we got them

T:TDW was released in 27 countries 1 week before the US.

And there're always countries that get the movies after US release, like China got AoU 2 weeks after, but I think by that time the RT is almost finalized.

Anyway the movies I consider released overseas before the US are those that are released at least 1 week before US wide release (i.e. Friday of the previous week or sooner). If it's released before but in the same week (like it was released in South Korea just 1 day sooner) then I consider it released domestically and overseas at the same time.

 

[AlluAllu]

The US gets most of these movies late because in the US, there's holidays at the start of May and November, Marvel's two main release dates. In most other countries those holidays are a week earlier. So to maximize box office numbers they release them first in those other countries, and a week later in the US.

They've been doing this since Iron Man 2, the first movie that was released in the US late.
It's not a coincidence that all MCU movies that weren't released in the US late since then, are all of those released in July (or on August 1st).

So you can expect the US to get most MCU movies late.
SM:H and AM&TW and should be the exceptions, because they'll be released in July as well.

I recall that the reason at least partially involves combating piracy as well.

And harnessing the power of mathematics the way you did? Pretty impressive.

 

[Ozbridge]

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I recall that the reason at least partially involves combating piracy as well.

And harnessing the power of mathematics the way you did? Pretty impressive.

That isn't mathematics that's statistics.

And I think releasing the movie overseas before domestic actually encourages piracy. There's already a pirated copy of Doctor Strange floating around (which was recorded in a foreign market). From now to November 4th there're certainly many people in the US pirating the movie.

 

[iEquinox]

According to BOM CA: TFA made 2.9M in Italy exactly 1 week before US premiere, it was wide release so I considered CA: TFA to be released overseas first. Maybe there was a change at last minute and IMDB didn't update. In Ant-Man case there were screenings in Australia and Bulgaria 1 week before US release.

I don't think 1 or 2 countries getting it early is going to result in a significant change, so both of these movies shouldn't be included. Yeah there might be a few reviews from those countries but I don't tink they will change much. The first RT reviews of CA: TFA are all american, same goes for Ant-Man.

I just checked RT and in the 1st 100 reviews, there's 2 from australia and none from bulgaria. And for CA: TFA there were 0 italian reviews registered in the 1st 100 reviews.

So while these movies did get released in 1 or 2(very limited in Australia) countries a week before the US, overall they should not be considered released late in the US for these calculations.

I recall that the reason at least partially involves combating piracy as well.

And harnessing the power of mathematics the way you did? Pretty impressive.

Ozbridge is right that it's statistics, but you do have to apply some mathematics to it. But yeah this is pretty basic stuff compared to the math you need for things like Fluid Mechanics or Einstein's theory of General Relativity. I learned to do this in 3 days in university, and I didn't know any statistics before then. It just looks complicated when you don't recognize it.

 

[Ozbridge]

I don't think 1 or 2 countries getting it early is going to result in a significant change, so both of these movies shouldn't be included. Yeah there might be a few reviews from those countries but I don't tink they will change much. The first RT reviews of CA: TFA are all american, same goes for Ant-Man.

I just checked RT and in the 1st 100 reviews, there's 2 from australia and none from bulgaria. And for CA: TFA there were 0 italian reviews registered in the 1st 100 reviews.

So while these movies did get released in 1 or 2(very limited in Australia) countries a week before the US, overall they should not be considered released late in the US for these calculations.

Okay, that seems fair

But yeah this is pretty basic stuff compared to the math you need for things like Fluid Mechanics or Einstein's theory of General Relativity.

Those are some fancy terms, do you study Physics or something?

Btw Top Critics RT

Average Rating: 6.9/10
Reviews Counted: 10
Fresh: 10
Rotten: 0

CW's first 10 Top Critics' reviews are also Fresh, the first Rotten is 11th. Hopefully DS can stay at 100% longer than that.

 

[iEquinox]

Average ratings for other MCU movies that ended with a 80%+ RT score:

IM -- -- 94%: 7.7, Top Critics 7.5
CA:TFA 80%: 6.9, Top Critics 6.5
TA -- -- 92%: 8.0, Top Critics 7.7
CA:TWS89%: 7.5, Top Critics 7.5
GotG -- 91%: 7.8, Top Critics 7.5
Ant-Man81%: 6.8, Top Critics 6.8
CA: CW 90%: 7.6, Top Critics 7.5

The average rating for Doctor Strange is 7.3 atm, if it reaches 90% that would be the lowest of the 90%+ MCU movies so far.
So if you ignore everything else and go with an average rating of 7.3, judging from the other movies that corresponds to about 87-88%.
Which is pretty much what I'm expecting it to end up on. It would be great if it could stay at 90+ though.
And I would be very surprised if it ends up below 85%.

And the average rating for top critics has never been higher than the total average rating, and it's usually lower. So far Doctor Strange is no exception.

No reviews have been added in the last 2 days. It'll be released in Russia tomorrow, Brazil & Egypt on Nov 2nd, and 10 other countries on Nov 3rd. I guess not many reviews will be added for a few days..

But it looks like it's another critical success for the MCU. They have quite an impressive streak going atm. 14 Fresh movies in a row.

Those are some fancy terms, do you study Physics or something?

Yeah I have bachelor's degrees in Astrophysics and Chemical Engineering, I'm currently doing research for a company, so I'm not studying atm. I might do a Master's degree in a few years, not sure yet.

 

[kedrell]

Another positive one added.

93%
Average Rating: 7.3/10
Reviews Counted: 85
Fresh: 79
Rotten: 6

 

[InCali]

I'm surprised (pleasantly) that its Tomatometer score has remained so high. I expected it to drop to at least in the mid 80s.

 

[kedrell]

Another negative one added.

92%
Average Rating: 7.3/10
Reviews Counted: 86
Fresh: 79
Rotten: 7

 

[spiderman2]

Average ratings for other MCU movies that ended with a 80%+ RT score:

IM -- -- 94%: 7.7, Top Critics 7.5
CA:TFA 80%: 6.9, Top Critics 6.5
TA -- -- 92%: 8.0, Top Critics 7.7
CA:TWS89%: 7.5, Top Critics 7.5
GotG -- 91%: 7.8, Top Critics 7.5
Ant-Man81%: 6.8, Top Critics 6.8
CA: CW 90%: 7.6, Top Critics 7.5

The average rating for Doctor Strange is 7.3 atm, if it reaches 90% that would be the lowest of the 90%+ MCU movies so far.
So if you ignore everything else and go with an average rating of 7.3, judging from the other movies that corresponds to about 87-88%.
Which is pretty much what I'm expecting it to end up on. It would be great if it could stay at 90+ though.
And I would be very surprised if it ends up below 85%.

And the average rating for top critics has never been higher than the total average rating, and it's usually lower. So far Doctor Strange is no exception.

No reviews have been added in the last 2 days. It'll be released in Russia tomorrow, Brazil & Egypt on Nov 2nd, and 10 other countries on Nov 3rd. I guess not many reviews will be added for a few days..

But it looks like it's another critical success for the MCU. They have quite an impressive streak going atm. 14 Fresh movies in a row.



Yeah I have bachelor's degrees in Astrophysics and Chemical Engineering, I'm currently doing research for a company, so I'm not studying atm. I might do a Master's degree in a few years, not sure yet.

To add to this other CBM with a 90% or better and there average rating.

Spider-Man 2 93% 8.3
Dark knight 94% 8.6
Superman 93% 8.0
Xmen DOFP 91% 7.5

So out of the 8 CBM with a 90% or better score 3 of them had a 8 or better average score in Spider-Man 2 8.3, dark knight 8.6 and Superman 8.0. If you take those 8 CBM with a 90 score there average ratting comes out to 7.9375. Also some other CBM with a 80 or higher but less then 90 and there average ratting.

Batman Begins 84% 7.7
Dark knight rises 87% 8
Spider-Man 89% 7.7
Deadpool 84% 6.9
Xmen First class 86% 7.4
Xmen 81% 7.1
Xmen 2 86% 7.5

 

[kedrell]

Another positive one, and a 4.5/5 at that. Should help the average rating rise or at lest not fall.

92%
Average Rating: 7.3/10
Reviews Counted: 87
Fresh: 80
Rotten: 7

 

[Iceman]

Really slow with the new reviews. Looking forward to he blitz over the next few days.

 

[kedrell]

Yeah, it should start picking up tomorrow with all the American critics weighing in.

 

[kedrell]

Yet another good review added:

92%
Average Rating: 7.3/10
Reviews Counted: 88
Fresh: 81
Rotten: 7

 

[Iceman]

12 more to 100 so we need 9 positives to be at 90%.

 

[kedrell]

Another bad review added:

91%
Average Rating: 7.3/10
Reviews Counted: 89
Fresh: 81
Rotten: 8

 

[Rowsdower!]

Glad to see this is getting great reviews. Definitely seeing it this week!

 

[JOE]

Seems accurate to me, I would even say low 80's is more likely if anything. The 93% pace is without the US critics. Let's say the first 100 are overseas critics and it stays at 85-90%... The next 150-200 will be mostly US critics and I think their average rating will be 75-80%. They're usually a bit more harsh.

100 OS reviews @ 87.5% = 88 fresh & 12 rotten.
175 US reviews @ 77.5% = 136 fresh reviews & 39 rotten.


Grand total- 224 fresh & 51 rotten = 81% (JOE's prediction )

I think you are low balling by saying 81. Yes it is true that US reviewers tend to be harder then OS reviewers but I don't see this dropping a whole 12% from where it is now though. I think by end of Monday we will have a lot more reviews over all and a better idea though.

Still think I'm low balling it? The full wave of US critics hasn't even started yet. This movie is ending up in the 80's, high 80's is best case scenario as far as I'm concerned.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its now down to 90%.

 

[First Avenger]

Low 80s if it goes well imo.

 

[Ozbridge]

Well at least RT of Top critics is still 100% with 11 reviews.

But frankly after looking at RT and then seeing the movie I was kind of surprised because the story isn't that strong to warrant such high RT score.

 

[spiderman2]

Well at least RT of Top critics is still 100% with 11 reviews.

But frankly after looking at RT and then seeing the movie I was kind of surprised because the story isn't that strong to warrant such high RT score.

GOTG is in the low 90s and it had no story.