Animation Dragonball HQ - Part 1

What kind of reception did DBGT have over in Japan? In particular, were there any arcs from that series that did very well compared to the rest of GT?

The television ratings were about the same as Dragon Ball Z. Each arc's ratings share did decrease in comparison to the last...but you have to remember, this was over ten years into the Dragon Ball franchise, which itself was coming in after a five year run of the Dr. Slump: Arale-chan animated series. Fatigue was inevitable, especially after Yama'uchi Shigeyasu stopped storyboarding and directing for the franchise and started focusing on his 1997 Dr. Slump series.

I haven't been keeping up with this series as much but for those have been doing so...is Goku still being inadvertently portrayed as the most stupidest, selfish, and dangerous character in the series (where he puts his joy of fighting over the safety of innocent lives)?

No more than in the original comic. Toriyama Akira has been pushing Gokuu as being selfish and dangerous to the universe for decades and now this is finally being represented more clearly by the various series directors to work on Dragon Ball projects at Toei Animation.
 
I just never viewed Goku as this selfish. I knew he enjoyed a good fight and always wanted it to be fair, which is why he did things like give his enemies Senzu beans, but even he knew when enough was enough. And I don't even remember Goku outright pestering people for a fight. If I remember wrong correct me. I can see that Toriyama didn't want to portray Goku as a selfless Hero, but Goku now basically turned into a worse version of Abridged Goku.
 
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I just never viewed Goku as this selfish. I knew he enjoyed a good fight and always wanted it to be fair, which is why he did things like give his enemies Senzu beans, but even he knew when enough was enough. And I don't even remember Goku outright pestering people for a fight. If I remember wrong correct me. I can see that Toriyama didn't want to portray as a selfless Hero, but Goku now basically turned into a worse version of Abridged Goku.

ITA. This has been one of my main problems with Super, aside from the ridiculous power levels crap.
 
I just never viewed Goku as this selfish. I knew he enjoyed a good fight and always wanted it to be fair, which is why he did things like give his enemies Senzu beans, but even he knew when enough was enough. And I don't even remember Goku outright pestering people for a fight. If I remember wrong correct me. I can see that Toriyama didn't want to portray Goku as a selfless Hero, but Goku now basically turned into a worse version of Abridged Goku.

Gokuu let Piccolo live after the Twenty-Third Tenka'ichi Budoukai because he didn't want to lose a rival. This after the guy had killed hundreds, including his friend. He then let Vegeta live and escape the planet, right after he had been complicit in killing his friends, tried to kill two of his friends, his son and himself, to say nothing of everyone else on the planet.

Gokuu then gave Cell a Senzu. The guy who was trying to kill him and everyone else on Earth.

And he kept holding back against Vegeta and Buu, too.

The safety of others is ultimately not on his mind.
 
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Gokuu let Piccolo live after the Twenty-Third Tenka'ichi Budoukai because he didn't want to lose a rival. This after the guy had killed hundreds, including his friend.

It's not the same Piccolo though. It's his son. And up to that point, he hasn't actually killed anyone. He even made sure not to kill anyone, because he didn't want to get disqualified, until he faced Goku.

He then let Vegeta live and escape the planet, right after he had been complicit in killing his friends, tried to kill two of his friends, his son and himself, to say nothing of everyone else on the planet.

Definitely one of his more reckless decisions. But Goku is also portrayed as a person who doesn't want to kill anyone who's defenseless. During the whole battle, it's not like Goku was making sure not to kill Vegeta. He went all out, and had the Genkidama actually killed Vegeta, I don't think Goku would have mourned losing a rival.

This is the same guy, who knows when a situation is hopeless, decides to go down with the enemy, if that's the only choice. It was the only option to beat Radditz at the time.

Gokuu then gave Cell a Senzu. The guy who was trying to kill him and everyone else on Earth.

Knowing full well his son could kill him with little to no effort. He even urged Gohan to finish it quickly, and was shocked when Gohan, basically power drunk, wanted to make Cell suffer first.

And he kept holding back against Vegeta and Buu, too.

He was stupid when he fought Vegeta, because he tried not to hurt his pride, by revealing that he had surpassed him yet again. But I understand why he didn't go all out against Buu. And the way Toriyama wrote it, made a lot of sense.

Goku only had 24 hours on earth. Using the power of a SSJ3, cut into his time. He might have been able to beat Buu, but there could have also been a chance of his time running out before he beat him. After his short battle with Buu, he only had a few hours left to remain in the realm of the living.

And if he had managed to defeat Buu, what then? He'd have to go back to the afterlife, and if another enemy threatened to destroy humanity, there'd be no one around powerful enough, to take on the threat. So instead of taking the chance to defeat Buu right then and there, he decided to teach the children instead. Teaching them the Fusion Dance, that would give them the power to defeat Buu.

The safety of others is ultimately not on his mind.

I don't disagree that he's reckless. But I think Super just dials that character trait up to eleven. And if he didn't care about the safety of others, he wouldn't have been so angry when Majin Vegeta kept blowing people up left and right. He cares about a good fight, but he also tries not to get innocent people in harms way.

To me, Radditz, Cell and Buu are the better examples of his personality. He died to defeat Radditz, he let Gohan fight Cell and urged him to finish the fight when he was severely wounded, and he taught the children the fusion dance, so they wouldn't have to rely on him anymore.

So yes, Goku loves to fight, but he also knows where the line is. He keeps letting villains live, but he's also constantly portrayed to have a childlike innocence, so he doesn't like to kill opponents that have been beaten.

But despite all his reckless behavior, he never got out of his way, to run all over the plays, egging people on to fight him.
 
Dont forget he pretty much let Frieza blow up earth in RoF because he didnt' kill him fast enough.

If it wasn't for Whis...they would have been ****ed.
 
It's not the same Piccolo though. It's his son. And up to that point, he hasn't actually killed anyone. He even made sure not to kill anyone, because he didn't want to get disqualified, until he faced Goku.

Piccolo is a reincarnation of pure evil. He outright calls himself Piccolo Daimaou. He is the same person.

Definitely one of his more reckless decisions. But Goku is also portrayed as a person who doesn't want to kill anyone who's defenseless. During the whole battle, it's not like Goku was making sure not to kill Vegeta. He went all out, and had the Genkidama actually killed Vegeta, I don't think Goku would have mourned losing a rival.

Gokuu outright states to Kuririn he doesn't want him to kill him because he wants to fight Vegeta again. This is about Gokuu still seeing an opportunity to fight someone strong and deciding to take it, rather than really caring about how it is going to come back to bite him in the ass later.

Knowing full well his son could kill him with little to no effort. He even urged Gohan to finish it quickly, and was shocked when Gohan, basically power drunk, wanted to make Cell suffer first.

That's not what Gokuu is thinking at that time, though. He doesn't understand Gohan at all (which is thanks to a bad plot twist on Toriyama's part to make Gohan unwilling to fight, but whatever). Gokuu is thinking that Gohan will love to fight and that sending his ten/eleven year old son off to fight a biological killing machine--while helping that biological killing machine an advantage--is a perfectly normal thing to do. Gokuu has to be yelled at after seeing Gohan get the hell knocked out of him before he realizes "Well, maybe I screwed up a little".

He was stupid when he fought Vegeta, because he tried not to hurt his pride, by revealing that he had surpassed him yet again. But I understand why he didn't go all out against Buu. And the way Toriyama wrote it, made a lot of sense.

Goku only had 24 hours on earth. Using the power of a SSJ3, cut into his time. He might have been able to beat Buu, but there could have also been a chance of his time running out before he beat him. After his short battle with Buu, he only had a few hours left to remain in the realm of the living.

And if he had managed to defeat Buu, what then? He'd have to go back to the afterlife, and if another enemy threatened to destroy humanity, there'd be no one around powerful enough, to take on the threat. So instead of taking the chance to defeat Buu right then and there, he decided to teach the children instead. Teaching them the Fusion Dance, that would give them the power to defeat Buu.



I don't disagree that he's reckless. But I think Super just dials that character trait up to eleven. And if he didn't care about the safety of others, he wouldn't have been so angry when Majin Vegeta kept blowing people up left and right. He cares about a good fight, but he also tries not to get innocent people in harms way.

To me, Radditz, Cell and Buu are the better examples of his personality. He died to defeat Radditz, he let Gohan fight Cell and urged him to finish the fight when he was severely wounded, and he taught the children the fusion dance, so they wouldn't have to rely on him anymore.

So yes, Goku loves to fight, but he also knows where the line is. He keeps letting villains live, but he's also constantly portrayed to have a childlike innocence, so he doesn't like to kill opponents that have been beaten.

But despite all his reckless behavior, he never got out of his way, to run all over the plays, egging people on to fight him.

Gokuu letting genocidal maniacs run free in the original comic is now no longer as bad as asking for a tournament between all of the universes and then somebody else deciding to use that as an excuse to reduce the number of low-ranking universes? Gokuu's activities throughout Dragon Ball Super have been nowhere near as potentially destructive and harmful as his activities in the 1984 comic.

The Tournament of Power arc has been, for all intents and purposes, terribly written. Not simply on a structural level (the past thirteen episodes have maybe two or three episodes worth of content spread across a full cour), but in terms of dramatic credibility. Blaming Gokuu makes no sense (Vados herself has made this perfectly clear) and characters like Toppo are written as one-dimensional nuisances who can't see the truth standing in front of him. Gokuu's destructive nature is a wonderful idea to build a storyline around, but not within this context. This has easily been the worst story arc of the series. Hell, the entire franchise hasn't seen a story arc this bad before.
 
I've been waiting for more universes to react like the Trio de Danger's - rioting after they find out about the tourney stakes. That, I enjoyed even though it was brief.
 
Thoroughly enjoyed episode 91. I love the world building and with Ribranne I cant wait to see the fight between her and Vegeta. Looks like the cats out of the bag next week.
 
Thoroughly enjoyed episode 91. I love the world building and with Ribranne I cant wait to see the fight between her and Vegeta. Looks like the cats out of the bag next week.

Over Under on LSSJ Kale next week

I think we got a 70% chance
 
I meant to mention earlier, but Brianne's transformation BANK (Japanese directors and animators call re-usable animation 'BANK') was animated by Tate Naoki, a veteran Dragon Ball animator. While Tate Naoki never did a transformation for PreCure (Pretty Cure) it would appear he and Episode Director Karasawa Kazuya put forth the effort to emulate the style used in PreCure's transformation scenes for Brianne's transformation into Ribrianne.

PreCure is Toei Animation's crown jewel franchise. Almost all of its major talent has worked on PreCure, with most of those talents having evolved into the ace animators they are today thanks to the franchise. The series director of the first two series was Nishio Daisuke, who had previously been the series director of Dragon Ball (under Series Director Okazaki Minoru) and Dragon Ball Z Episodes #1-199. PreCure was the franchise that saw veteran Dragon Ball animator Shida Naotoshi become a specialized transformation and climax animator. As a result, his work on Dragon Ball has dramatically improved over the years, too. Shida is Toei Animation's most trusted ace, so much so that he is allowed to ignore storyboards and animate his scenes how he pleases.
 
That transformation was pure Sailor Moon if you ask me.
 
Its a homage to the various Magical Girls out there.
 
Yeah, it's not solely Sailor Moon. In fact, I'd say without a doubt that this is more of a reference to PreCure than anything else, just from the way colors, the camera and poses are used. Nagamine Tatsuya, who has been series director of Dragon Ball Super since Episode #77, was the series director of two PreCure series (Heart Catch PreCure! and Happiness Charge! PreCure), after all. It only makes sense for him to reference that. Since the series director is in charge of approving storyboards it really isn't impossible for him to have suggested or pushed Episode Director Karasawa Kazuya to go in that direction for his storyboard for this BANK.

We've got some news from a source on the production team. An animator has confirmed that, while they expected the production schedule to collapse for the big mass battle, they weren't expecting it to happen this soon. It looks like the production is about to implode on itself again, perhaps even worse than it did during the first three story arcs.
 
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nable to awaken Buu, Goku selects his archenemy Frieza as Buu’s replacement. How will Frieza respond to Goku’s unexpected invitation.
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Universe 6 This Week: Kale’s true power unleashed! Counting on Kale’s hidden potential, Cauliflia trainers her to become Super Saiyan! As a result, she uncovers power that terrifies even her universe 6 comrades!!”

KALE POWER MAXIMUM!
 
Roshi's gonna be the one to set off Kale's transformation in the tournament. I'm calling it now.
 
I don't really like the golden Freiza look....
 
Screen shots and the character design sheet for Kale from Episode #92. Kale is voiced by Yukana, the voice of C.C. from Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch. I'm so glad to have Yukana voicing Kale. I was hoping for Komatsu Makiko, but Yukana is a nice choice.
 
New screenshots are out for tonight's new DB Super episode.
It looks like Beerus is threatening to hakai Krillin. So I'm taking it that the secret about the tournament prize money is out.
 
New screenshots are out for tonight's new DB Super episode.
It looks like Beerus is threatening to hakai Krillin. So I'm taking it that the secret about the tournament prize money is out.

That's exactly what happened.

Also, it took almost thirty years, but the act of transforming into a Super Saiyan was given an explanation in Dragon Ball Super Episode #92.

Additionally, Kale was good and perfect.
 
Man this arc is junk. The way the other universe Saiyans are just leaping to Super Saiyan is lame. It makes Goku and companies screaming in anguish for 30 mins look weak.
 

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