Dreamworks/Paramount's Ghost In The Shell - Part 1

[TheVileOne]

Stand Alone Complex is the best adaptation.

 

[Loki882]

thanks

2nd GIG (which is it's sequel series) is also pretty good. And it's also where the character of Hideo Kuze, who's going to be in this film as well, appears.

Also it's got one of the funniest moments in the history of the franchise for me.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Stand Alone Complex is the best adaptation.

I wasn't really enamored with SAC. It doesn't have kinetic fun of the original manga, nor artistic and production values and of '95 and to some extent Innocence. It's not bad and it's vastly better than Arise. The most faithful adaptation is what Production I.G. made for PS1 game.

So I decided to rewatch '95 and Major's physique never fails to impress me:

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Stand Alone Complex has quite a bit of kinetic fun.

 

[Loki882]

I also go more attached to the characters there as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The movie is super dry compared to SAC.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The things that makes the movie interesting are the visuals and loftier themes, but compared to SAC it has very little by way of character or story. Don't even get me started about Innocence.

 

[Dave McFly]

got a chance to watch the 95 film earlier FYI the steelbook IS the original non 2.0 version with NO CGI (other than what was used back in 95). the only thing that had me worried is the 25th anniversary version (which is funny as the 25th anniversary is not til 2020 ) is the 2.0 aka added CGI, but the blu ray while it says 25 on it (and both the steel book and 25th anniversary have the same case art work, which adds to the confusion) is just the standard 95 non CGI version, whew.

 

[TheVileOne]

The changes they made to the 1995 film are ridiculously pointless. I don't even get why they would add that useless layer of CG.

 

[Dave McFly]

the worst offenses were replacing shots of the major with a CGI version. I could see things like back ground stuff being tweaked like the fish in the big aquarium in the scene before the credits but to replace characters with CGI (badly made ones imho) was wrong.

 

[OutOfBoose]

2.0 - abomination. Ugly and pointless.

 

[zephyrinthesky]

Preview of the artbook is out:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/an-exclusive-look-at-the-art-behind-the-ghost-in-the-sh-1790320849

Interesting note - in the artbook text they refer to the Major as Major Killian. Is that an error or deliberate change?

I'm hoping it's a misprint - between the whitewashing controversy and diversion from the source material I can't see such a change going over well....

 

[LoganGambit87]

Preview of the artbook is out:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/an-exclusive-look-at-the-art-behind-the-ghost-in-the-sh-1790320849

Interesting note - in the artbook text they refer to the Major as Major Killian. Is that an error or deliberate change?

I'm hoping it's a misprint - between the whitewashing controversy and diversion from the source material I can't see such a change going over well....

would you rather they not change it and still call her Motoko Kusanagi even tho the major is played by a white actress

its the right way to go just like how tom cruise's character in edge of tomorrow was called Keiji Kiriya in the manga but the movie called him William Cage

 

[zephyrinthesky]

would you rather they not change it and still call her Motoko Kusanagi even tho the major is played by a white actress

its the right way to go just like how tom cruise's character in edge of tomorrow was called Keiji Kiriya in the manga but the movie called him William Cage

I just thought they'd simply refer to her as "Major" for the entire film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, why wouldn't they change her name exactly?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just thought they'd simply refer to her as "Major" for the entire film.

IF they are diving into her past, she is going to have a "real name".

 

[TheVileOne]

Major Killian could just be a dummy name or just a placeholder name. My guess is they will never actually show or say her real name in the movie and just keep her as the Major and nothing else. Total guess though.

 

[Sithborg]

Remember, we did see the picture of the gravestone with Motoko Kusanagi's name on it.

 

[zephyrinthesky]

IF they are diving into her past, she is going to have a "real name".

Major Killian could just be a dummy name or just a placeholder name. My guess is they will never actually show or say her real name in the movie and just keep her as the Major and nothing else. Total guess though.

A name change or name-drop wouldn't ruin or enhance the film for me, but I'm just seeing the whitewashing accusations that clickbait sites and flavor-of-the-month SJWs will spin out of it. I'm not saying whitewashing isn't an important issue but I'm tired of it dominating the narrative around this movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A name change or name-drop wouldn't ruin or enhance the film for me, but I'm just seeing the whitewashing accusations that clickbait sites and flavor-of-the-month SJWs will spin out of it. I'm not saying whitewashing isn't an important issue but I'm tired of it dominating the narrative around this movie.

It isn't like we don't know Scarlett is white. The cats out of the bag.

 

[LoganGambit87]

It isn't like we don't know Scarlett is white. The cats out of the bag.

 

[moonclaw]

Preview of the artbook is out:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/an-exclusive-look-at-the-art-behind-the-ghost-in-the-sh-1790320849

Interesting note - in the artbook text they refer to the Major as Major Killian. Is that an error or deliberate change?

I'm hoping it's a misprint - between the whitewashing controversy and diversion from the source material I can't see such a change going over well....

who gives a **** at this point? I'm more interested in the actual artbook which looks dope, does everything have to be cannon fodder to cry about whitewashing, we've known the major is white for 2 years now.

 

[TheVileOne]

I can get people being on board with the movie and wanting to defend it. At the same time, the reason there's been criticisms against this film is because a white actress was cast in the role of a predominantly Japanese character. That's why people give a **** at this point.

Additionally, it's sort of shed light on poor Hollywood practices and racist practices when it comes to casting. This movie would probably be getting less attention over the issue if it wasn't such a thing in the past. Case in point, casting directors wouldn't even consider Asian American or Japanese American actors for the Light Yagami role in Death Note. In The Last Airbender movie, M. Night Shymalan and Frank Marshall cast white actors in the lead roles for characters who were of a visibly ethnic type in the show. And no, I'm not referring to making the Fire Kingdom Indian and Middle Eastern instead of oriental/Asian. I'm referring to Katarra, Sokka and Ang, the show's main trio.

Knowing that she's been changed to a white character doesn't really erase the problem at hand. I'm not saying you shouldn't see the movie or that it will be awful. But for the people who are upset over this, it's not a matter of "The Major is white time to move on!" The very fact she is white and still is white is arguably offensive. And whether it was experimented for the Major or not, there were also reports of digital FX test to make white characters appear Asian. That doesn't really help the situation either. The studio's admission did lend credence to the rumor.

I think where it gets silly is Iron Fist considering the character has historically been white since his inception. But people are mad because he's a martial artist who trained in a fictional Asian city and that means he should also be Asian. So it's not a matter of whitewashing. It's a matter of "he should be Asian just because we're angry!" Or "the character should've been Asian in the comics too and he didn't cause of racism!" Disregarding how Marvel created an Asian superhero in Shang-Chi, who's creation predates Iron Fist by about a year.

 

[LoganGambit87]

I can get people being on board with the movie and wanting to defend it. At the same time, the reason there's been criticisms against this film is because a white actress was cast in the role of a predominantly Japanese character. That's why people give a **** at this point.

Additionally, it's sort of shed light on poor Hollywood practices and racist practices when it comes to casting. This movie would probably be getting less attention over the issue if it wasn't such a thing in the past. Case in point, casting directors wouldn't even consider Asian American or Japanese American actors for the Light Yagami role in Death Note. In The Last Airbender movie, M. Night Shymalan and Frank Marshall cast white actors in the lead roles for characters who were of a visibly ethnic type in the show. And no, I'm not referring to making the Fire Kingdom Indian and Middle Eastern instead of oriental/Asian. I'm referring to Katarra, Sokka and Ang, the show's main trio.

Knowing that she's been changed to a white character doesn't really erase the problem at hand. I'm not saying you shouldn't see the movie or that it will be awful. But for the people who are upset over this, it's not a matter of "The Major is white time to move on!" The very fact she is white and still is white is arguably offensive. And whether it was experimented for the Major or not, there were also reports of digital FX test to make white characters appear Asian. That doesn't really help the situation either. The studio's admission did lend credence to the rumor.

I think where it gets silly is Iron Fist considering the character has historically been white since his inception. But people are mad because he's a martial artist who trained in a fictional Asian city and that means he should also be Asian. So it's not a matter of whitewashing. It's a matter of "he should be Asian just because we're angry!" Or "the character should've been Asian in the comics too and he didn't cause of racism!" Disregarding how Marvel created an Asian superhero in Shang-Chi, who's creation predates Iron Fist by about a year.

i think making iron fist asian is actually more racist basically saying the only way an asian can be a super hero is he has to be a martial artist

the only way asians are gonna be represented better in hollywood is seeing asians play a race neutral character

for example glenn on the walking dead is a good character not because he is asian(they rarely if ever even bring up his race) but because he is just a good likable character

 

[TheVileOne]

i think making iron fist asian is actually more racist basically saying the only way an asian can be a super hero is he has to be a martial artist

the only way asians are gonna be represented better in hollywood is seeing asians play a race neutral character

for example glenn on the walking dead is a good character not because he is asian(they rarely if ever even bring up his race) but because he is just a good likable character

I pretty much agree. That means putting them in roles where they aren't lab tech, side kick, team martial artist, etc.

At the same time, even Glenn isn't really the emotional center of The Walking Dead. It's still Rick Grimes. You need shows with Glenn/Steven Yeun types who are the leads but it's not necessarily this race-specific role just as a lot of the lead roles on movies and TV we see played by white or even black characters are race neutral as well.

Just for example, Alonzo in Training Day wasn't written specifically as a black or white character. They left his race vague. He was basically written as this blue collar police officer who knew the streets. Obviously, Denzel Washington nailed that role, but he wasn't originally written to be a black character.

Sorry if I'm going on a tangent here, I think what I'm getting at is we need say Asian Americans allowed to get those type of opportunities for lead roles as well rather than necessarily race or gender-bending established character.