Dreamworks/Paramount's Ghost In The Shell - Part 1

[Auteur]

Sanders Says Villain Kuze Is An Amalgamation

"Kuze borrows a few facets from different characters in the series, he’s not just Kuze and he’s not just the Puppet Master. So he’s a kind of amalgamation, so the way he moves through the network and stuff is borrowed from other elements. He’s kind of our own creation, and Michael Pitt was incredibly immersed in that world. He went fully in there, he was living in a shipping container next to the set so he could smoke and punch punching bags simultaneously. He’d be like constantly skipping rope, he was incredible. He and Scarlett [Johansson] together were like these incredible specimens, but he was scrawling and drawing and he really immersed himself in the violence of the man and I think it’s an incredible performance."

 

[Matt.S99]

If people like Scarlett in the role, why would they do that?

didn't say they would do that, but it's a viable option. What if Scarlett doesn't want to come back, for example? They can continue the series without her.

 

[DeadPresident]

Japanese actors being cast in a Japanese production of Fullmetal Alchemist is not a good excuse either.

Sorry, but this isn't Asian washing.

Edward Elric, the most German sounding name in an anime, by the way, cast with an Asian actor: cool, because it's for a primarily Asian market. Cast the Major with a white actress because it's for a primarily white market: bad.

Got it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

didn't say they would do that, but it's a viable option. What if Scarlett doesn't want to come back, for example? They can continue the series without her.

If Scarlett doesn't want to come back, that means this movie didn't do well critically or financially, so I doubt there would be another one anyways.

 

[Fincher]

lol Hair dye or wig and contacts and your problem solved just like what they did with Scarlett here.

The thing with Hollywood adapting Naruto is that it's still is steeped with traditional and cultural Japanese/Asian elements in it so you will have a visual of a bunch of non-Japanese people running around in clothes like kimonos, ramen shops, Japanese houses, names.etc. Now that would be silly.

Maybe the solution would be to have a half white/half Asian guy play Naruto.

 

[DeadPresident]

We're talking about an anime where a kid has a demonic fox spirit trapped inside his body and all the characters are capable of magical abilities... and having some non-Japanese people in a Japanese fantasy setting would be the weird part…Riiiiiiight.

 

[moonclaw]

lol Hair dye or wig and contacts and your problem solved just like what they did with Scarlett here.

The thing with Hollywood adapting Naruto is that it's still is steeped with traditional and cultural Japanese/Asian elements in it so you will have a visual of a bunch of non-Japanese people running around in clothes like kimonos, ramen shops, Japanese houses, names.etc. Now that would be silly.

...................................you mean kinda like star wars?

Spoiler

 

[TheVileOne]

Robots want to be hot too.

 

[Monochron]

Edward Elric, the most German sounding name in an anime, by the way, cast with an Asian actor: cool, because it's for a primarily Asian market. Cast the Major with a white actress because it's for a primarily white market: bad.

Got it.

Unlike the US, Japan is not a multicultural country, at least not yet.

Eliminating context won't help you win arguments.

 

[Octoberist]

I feel like, it depends on the story. So as an Asian-American, I would like to see 'Full Metal', 'Attack on Titan', 'Cowboy Bebop', and 'Lupin III' with a diverse cast. Meanwhile, I prefer to see Akira with a mostly Japanese/Asian cast.

It depends on how the characters are created. If the creator of Cowboy Bebop purposely made 'Spike Spiegel' the official name of the lead, both in Japanese katakana and English, then that role can go out to anyone who's white, Asian, whatever.

 

[DeadPresident]

Unlike the US, Japan is not a multicultural country, at least not yet.

Eliminating context won't help you win arguments.

This is about earnings and a bottom line, how much of the US population is white and how much is Japanese? I didn't eliminate any context, indeed my response was completely contextualized in terms of how studios approach this. This is a numbers game, the majority of domestic box office is likely to come from white viewers in America and Japanese viewers in Japan, and since most characters only possess a single race-category if they're chasing the demographic angle it makes sense for the largest market demographic to be represented, it's relatively simple.

Using cute sentences that have nothing to do with the post you're responding to won't help you seem intelligent Am I doing this right?

 

[Kane52630]

Unlike the US, Japan is not a multicultural country, at least not yet.

We're talking about middle of the 21st century Japan here... As in 40-50 years from now.

 

[DeadPresident]

We're talking about middle of the 21st century Japan here... As in 40-50 years from now.

All the whites are stuck in a Trumpian dystopia persecuting minorities in that time, they couldn't possibly have made it to Japan

 

[Monochron]

This is about earnings and a bottom line, how much of the US population is white and how much is Japanese? I didn't eliminate any context, indeed my response was completely contextualized in terms of how studios approach this. This is a numbers game, the majority of domestic box office is likely to come from white viewers in America and Japanese viewers in Japan, and since most characters only possess a single race-category if they're chasing the demographic angle it makes sense for the largest market demographic to be represented, it's relatively simple.

Using cute sentences that have nothing to do with the post you're responding to won't help you seem intelligent Am I doing this right?

The is no empirical evidence that suggests hiring white actor is more financially sound than hiring from any other ethnic group. That line of thinking has always been based on ignorance, prejudice, and racism since the inception of Hollywood.

 

[DeadPresident]

The is no empirical evidence that suggests hiring white actor is more financially sound than hiring from any other ethnic group. That line of thinking has always been based on ignorance, prejudice, and racism since the inception of Hollywood.

You're really ignorant on this topic, clearly. It's not about a white actor, it's about hiring actors that best represent the market it's being made for.

Is it coincidence that Bollywood movies tend to have mostly Indian actors? Is it coincidence that Nollywood movies happen to have primarily African actors? Is it coincidence that Japanese movies happen to have largely Japanese actors? This is incredibly simple, a market wants to see itself on screen, when your market is statistically majority white the sound financial decision is to represent that statistical fact on screen. If they had majority African actors in a movie released in Japan, what do you assume the overall feeling of affinity for that movie would be? This isn't about prejudice, it's about human nature.

I know facts are incredibly unpopular at this particular juncture in history, but try to keep up, this is capitalism and the market dictates the rules, and the market wants to see itself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The is no empirical evidence that suggests hiring white actor is more financially sound than hiring from any other ethnic group. That line of thinking has always been based on ignorance, prejudice, and racism since the inception of Hollywood.

Where does the ignorance come in? Serious question. Because it simply seems studios like to hire stars. Now why actors are "stars" is a fair question. But that seems to be the method, unless they actually allow the director to do their thing.

On another point, if a director has free reign, does it matter who they cast? Or does one need to disregard their own creative vision?

 

[Monochron]

You're really ignorant on this topic, clearly. It's not about a white actor, it's about hiring actors that best represent the market it's being made for.

Yes, the american market, which unlike all of your examples is a multiethnic and multicultural market. If you think american minorities are just going to keep quiet about being ignored, especially when Hollywood is more than happy to utilize their cultures and putting white people in the center of them, well that is just not gonna happen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, the american market, which unlike all of your examples is a multiethnic and multicultural market. If you think american minorities are just going to keep quiet about being ignored, especially when Hollywood is more than happy to utilize their cultures and putting white people in the center of them, well that is just not gonna happen.

 

[Monochron]

Where does the ignorance come in? Serious question. Because it simply seems studios like to hire stars. Now why actors are "stars" is a fair question. But that seems to be the method, unless they actually allow the director to do their thing.

On another point, if a director has free reign, does it matter who they cast? Or does one need to disregard their own creative vision?

Actors become "stars" by being given the opportunity to become so. Give more minority actors the chance to become "stars" and more minority will become "stars".

 

[DeadPresident]

Yes, the american market, which unlike all of your examples is a multiethnic and multicultural market. If you think american minorities are just going to keep quiet about being ignored, especially when Hollywood is more than happy to utilize their cultures and putting white people in the center of them,

You know what I find funny, when the demographic majority doesn't want to be ignored they're suddenly oppressive bigots, when the minorities don't want to be ignored they're brave champions.

Hispanic Americans make up 17% of the population, and are the largest ethnic minority in the country. Very odd that nobody, not even Hispanic Americans, are throwing their toys out of their cots about not being represented in the media. Everyone is so busy being offended on someone else's behalf these days. If anyone "deserves" anything based on demographic statistics it's a massive increase in movies featuring Hispanics rather than Asian or black Americans…but that kind of factual analysis isn't very popular right now.

well that is just not gonna happen.

Yes, it really is, the market makes all these decisions, but have fun pissing against the wind.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Actors become "stars" by being given the opportunity to become so. Give more minority actors the chance to become "stars" and more minority will become "stars".

Do you have empirical evidence on this? I am not disagreeing. But your argument earlier was there was a lack of empirical evidence. Do you have any to make this statement?

 

[Monochron]

Examples:

 

[DeadPresident]

Actors become "stars" by being given the opportunity to become so. Give more minority actors the chance to become "stars" and more minority will become "stars".

Good God the leaps in logic here are stupendous.

Tons of white actors are given massive opportunities to become "stars", most of them multiple opportunities and a lot of them fall flat and fade away. Taylor Kitsch, Taylor Lautner, Katherine Heigl, Megan Fox, a bunch of people are practically rammed down everyone's throats but still fade away, why would it be different for minority actors?

Here's the cold hard fact; the cream always rises to the top. Did Denzel Washington make it because he's black? No, he made it because he's a damn good actor. This is the case across the board, if someone's good enough they'll be selected.

 

[DeadPresident]

Basically, if white people are shown to be doing anything other than typical white people things, or in environments that aren't typically white it's the Hollywood racist agenda at work

You know, the same way Cool Runnings was incredibly racist because it showed three Jamaicans not doing typical Jamaican things, but doing typical white people things.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Examples:

Kung Fu was made when? Also technically not actually ripping of any American culture. Counting either "The Last Samurai" or "Dances with Wolves" makes it sound like you haven't watched them. Stranger in a Strange land, kind of the point. Unless you are suggesting you can't make those type of films, which is of course well... yeah.

And for what it is worth, The Last Samurai. A top 10 box office film in Japan.

Not that there isn't racism in Hollywood. There is plenty. The US is heavily racist as our last election showed. But the inherent problem is more with who is behind the camera, not necessarily who is in front of it. Because the latter changes when the former does.