Dreamworks/Paramount's Ghost In The Shell

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What makes it a minority driven project though? Because the source material is foreign? Of course the source material is Japanese centric, because it comes from Japan. Not every nation has quite the diversity that we have. And when adapting material from other cultures, things have to change. Because some things just don't make sense to be in a Western movie. This may offend purists, but it is no worse than other nations/cultures taking something from us and adapting stuff to fit their culture more.
Well in the context of Hollywood, a property with Japanese characters is minority-driven and an opportunity for a Japanese-driven cast/production team. Of course Ghost in the Shell isn't minority-driven in Japan.
 
I remember what I wanted to say. I remember when Pacific Rim was coming out, there were a few articles about Rinko Kikuchi. Being in movies isn't exactly the route for fame in Japan.
 
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So you guys are saying an Asian girl looks more like these cyborgs in the picture than ScarJo?

You're also saying a Japanese person would never choose a European looking cyborg to host their mind despite the fact it happens all the time in the anime series and movies?
 
What makes it a minority driven project though? Because the source material is foreign? Of course the source material is Japanese centric, because it comes from Japan. Not every nation has quite the diversity that we have. And when adapting material from other cultures, things have to change. Because some things just don't make sense to be in a Western movie. This may offend purists, but it is no worse than other nations/cultures taking something from us and adapting stuff to fit their culture more.
The American production companies, the Israeli-American producer, the American producers, the English director, and the two American writers. Duh. :o
 
That is not how racism works. Sorry, try again.
I'm interested in your sources here. The definition of racism I use is one developed by the likes of Stuart Hall, Franz Fanon, and Edward Said (etc). Also accounts of the lived experiences of those facing racism.
 
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So you guys are saying an Asian girl looks more like these cyborgs in the picture than ScarJo?

You're also saying a Japanese person would never choose a European looking cyborg to host their mind despite the fact it happens all the time in the anime series and movies?
There is this thing about a lot of anime, where the make a lot of their characters distinctly look white in comparison with other characters in the same anime. But they are suppose to be of Japanese or other Asian origin.
 
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I'm interested in your sources here. The definition of racism I use is one developed by the likes of Stuart Hall, Franz Fanon, and Edward Said (etc). Also accounts of the lived experiences of those facing racism.
It is based on the dictionary definition of racism.
 
They just made another Godzilla. One which of course won't make the same kind of money the last US one did. They simply don't think they can make the money to justify making it in Japan. Most don't even know Ghost of in the Shell across the world. It is very geeky, very niche across the world. Dragon Ball is one of, if not the most successful anime of all time. The movie was horrible, but you'd think the built in fanbase would have got it a bit more money then it did, a bit like how BvS did while still being horrible. Didn't happen. Japanese anime, outside of Pokemon, doesn't have that kind if pull.

Ghost influencing the Matrix, is no different then Kurosawa influencing Lucas. But that doesn't suddenly mean his films were going to make Star Wars money in the West.

Funny thing about that is during the time of its release Ghost in the Shell was actually one of the top selling animes in the US and the mangas usually sold really well too. So no, I still don't buy that justification to defend it. On top of that, I'm almost 100% sure that fantastical effects for a monster like Godzilla is easier to do then realistic looking high tech effects that GITS called for.

I've seen Japan made anime movies done for The Girl Who Leapt through time for crying out loud so I doubt that it's because it wouldn't be popular with Japan's audience......Especially since the social attitudes towards animations and comics etc is significantly different there than it is to the general public here in America
 
Is it racist for Japan/China/India/etc for them to adapt something Western, yet change the races around?

And once again, if they set things up as set in Japan, with the character's being Japanese, then yes, eyebrows should be raised. And even then, the stuff presented is ripe for asking questions about identity in general.
 
It is based on the dictionary definition of racism.
LOL that's not a source for cultural theory, and often has insidious and invisible biases. Who writes the dictionary? Racism is actually a contentious term, despite the reductive definition in things like the OED that people absorb uncritically.
 
Scarjo looks close, but its disappointing they didnt cast the actress from Pacific Rim.
 
Is it racist for Japan/China/India/etc for them to adapt something Western, yet change the races around?

And once again, if they set things up as set in Japan, with the character's being Japanese, then yes, eyebrows should be raised. And even then, the stuff presented is ripe for asking questions about identity in general.
Depends if Japan has a large white minority that hasn't been able to see themselves represented in big budget international genre movies.
 
Funny thing about that is during the time of its release Ghost in the Shell was actually one of the top selling animes in the US and the mangas usually sold really well too. So no, I still don't buy that justification to defend it. On top of that, I'm almost 100% sure that fantastical effects for a monster like Godzilla is easier to do then realistic looking high tech effects that GITS called for.

I've seen Japan made anime movies done for The Girl Who Leapt through time for crying out loud so I doubt that it's because it wouldn't be popular with Japan's audience......Especially since the social attitudes towards animations and comics etc is significantly different there than it is to the general public here in America
Then why aren't they making it? Again, why? Also using that judgment, why did Dragon Ball fail so hard? Japanese anime, outside of Pokemon, has always been niche outside of Japan. And Pokemon is different because of the games.

I grew up with Japanese anime, one of my favorite things. I use to think you could make a gazillion dollars on Evangelion or Dragon Ball. It just isn't that way. They aren't the huge properties people think they are. Pokemon is of course the exception.
 
Come on now. Dragonball failed because it was horrid. Very obviously so.
 
LOL that's not a source for cultural theory, and often has insidious and invisible biases. Who writes the dictionary? Racism is actually a contentious term, despite the reductive definition in things like the OED that people absorb uncritically.
Okay, this is hilarious. Like I genuinely laughed. You are justifying hate based on skin color, in the same way someone who is racist would justify it.
 
Come on now. Dragonball failed because it was horrid. Very obviously so.
I don't disagree. But so is BvS, and while it is going to lose money in its theatrical run, it still made 800m based on the characters involved alone. That is the thing about brand recognition. How much you fail is different depending on that. It is why Deadpool needed to be fantastic, with a crazy marketing campaign, and still be associated with X-Men and Marvel.

Again, I grew up loving anime, actually got back into it recently, but it is not a huge market that you can suddenly start making 100m and up movies based on the "built in" fanbase and knowledge.
 
Okay, this is hilarious. Like I genuinely laughed. You are justifying hate based on skin color, in the same way someone who is racist would justify it.
Nope, sorry. You should research up on this stuff. It's not as simple as dictionary.com makes it seem.
 
one thing i dont understand is there are plenty of anime that feature Caucasian leads go make Cowboy Bebop,Berserk or Trigun they all have white male leads

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If someone was to call me a derogatory name based on race because I'm white is not the same if someone were to call a black or Asian person a derogatory name based on race?
 
Then why aren't they making it? Again, why? Also using that judgment, why did Dragon Ball fail so hard? Japanese anime, outside of Pokemon, has always been niche outside of Japan. And Pokemon is different because of the games.

I grew up with Japanese anime, one of my favorite things. I use to think you could make a gazillion dollars on Evangelion or Dragon Ball. It just isn't that way. They aren't the huge properties people think they are. Pokemon is of course the exception.

DragonBall Evolution failed because for one the movie looked cheap, none of the characters looked recognizable, it was horribly underpromoted and overall the movie was crap. I remember when I was in 11th grade people were talking about how they weren't going to see DBE because it looked like it was going to suck. Which says a lot because the movie. Only had a 30 mil budget and barely broke even because it was THAT unimpressive.

If wasn't the source material's fault that it failed. Everyone in the free world knows what Dragonball Z is...even non anime fans watch dragon ball Z as their exception to the rule.

Why Ghost in the Shell isn't being made is a question that can't be answered with no appropriate context. But one can easily make a guess that it's because Japan's Film industry doesn't have the resources to make it without it looking cheap. Especially since Animes with less impact have been made there.
 
Nope. Sorry, you should research up on this stuff. It's not as simple as dictionary.com makes it seem.
M&W. :cwink:

The concept of racism is not lost on a person of quite a few races, especially where I grew up. But those who justify racism towards white people, and in fact say it doesn't exist because it isn't institutionalized, sound a lot like O'Reilly who claims racism is now gone and any example is of it is a exception.

Hate based around race, is racism. Making exceptions for it is the exact opposite of the concept of equality.
 
Is it racist for Japan/China/India/etc for them to adapt something Western, yet change the races around?

And once again, if they set things up as set in Japan, with the character's being Japanese, then yes, eyebrows should be raised. And even then, the stuff presented is ripe for asking questions about identity in general.

Yes this movie will actually be an allegory of the story of Rachel Dolezal. :o
 
M&W. :cwink:

The concept of racism is not lost on a person of quite a few races, especially where I grew up. But those who justify racism towards white people, and in fact say it doesn't exist because it isn't institutionalized, sound a lot like O'Reilly who claims racism is now gone and any example is of it is a exception.

Hate based around race, is racism. Making exceptions for it is the exact opposite of the concept of equality.

Agreed 100%
 
DragonBall Evolution failed because for one the movie looked cheap, none of the characters looked recognizable, it was horribly underpromoted and overall the movie was crap. I remember when I was in 11th grade people were talking about how they weren't going to see DBE because it looked like it was going to suck. Which says a lot because the movie. Only had a 30 mil budget and barely broke even because it was THAT unimpressive.

If wasn't the source material's fault that it failed. Everyone in the free world knows what Dragonball Z is...even non anime fans watch dragon ball Z as their exception to the rule.

Why Ghost in the Shell isn't being made is a question that can't be answered with no appropriate context. But one can easily make a guess that it's because Japan's Film industry doesn't have the resources to make it without it looking cheap. Especially since Animes with less impact have been made there.
My brother and I watched the heck out of Dragon Ball growing up. Both DB and DBZ, and we are watching the new series now. We use to go to the specialty shop in our town to buy the figures. No one else in my family, male or female, has any idea what Dragon Ball is. Only a few friends we grew up with know what it is. This is projection done by fans. Using your logic, it should be as big as Batman or Star Wars. It isn't, and never has been.
 
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