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[DarthSkywalker]

Then maybe they shouldn't make the movie. None of these financial/budgetary reasons IMHO excuse racist actors or refusing to give minority actors the same opportunities.

How are the actors racist? Also, what excuse? Why is there an excuse necessary here?

 

[Monochron]

Then maybe they shouldn't make the movie. None of these financial/budgetary reasons IMHO excuse racist actors or refusing to give minority actors the same opportunities.

We were on opposite sides of the spectrum regarding Iron Fist, but I'm glad we can more or less agree about this.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We were on opposite sides of the spectrum regarding Iron Fist, but I'm glad we can more or less agree about this.

Did you want to change the race of Iron Fist? Because if so, this is what we call talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[Sithborg]

Can we at least wait till get confirmation that it is still set in Japan before we begin the whole white washing controversy. This whole "anime cannot be westernized" attitude bugs me.

 

[SuperT]

I don't necessarily think the actors or actresses are racist themselves. They just have no right to stand on their soap boxes and talk about, champion and halfheartedly fight for diversity then turn around and take roles that should have rightfully gone to actors of color. I'm looking at you Emma Stone, Rooney Mara and Tilda Swinton.

At some point, the onus is on these actors and actresses to have the balls to start telling these movie studios no and actually putting their money where their mouth is and stick up for actors of color.

 

[Iron_Stark]

lol, now it's the actor's fault minorities aren't getting roles? And on top of that they're racists? smh

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't necessarily think the actors or actresses are racist themselves. They just have no right to stand on their soap boxes and talk about diversity then turn around take roles that should have rightfully gone to actors of color.

I'm looking at you Emma Stone, Rooney Mara and Tilda Swinton.

Yes, because women are treated so well by Hollywood.

I now see why you continue to change the subject and avoid my questions.

 

[Monochron]

Did you want to change the race of Iron Fist? Because if so, this is what we call talking out of both sides of your mouth.

If you think minority actors get the same opportunities as white actors, especially when it comes to lead roles, you should stop talking about the subject.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

lol, now it's the actor's fault minorities aren't getting roles? And on top of that they're racists? smh

Scarjo is making this movie specifically to harm the Asian acting community.

Also, I'd be curious how people would react if an actress of Chinese or Korean descent were cast here. Considering how the Japanese themselves feel about that, it would be... well way worse then casting a white actress.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you think minority actors get the same opportunities as white actors, especially when it comes to lead roles, you should stop talking about the subject.

That of course was not the question. You can't cry source material and then be like, "change the race because white characters don't count".

 

[SuperT]

Yes, because women are treated so well by Hollywood.

I now see why you continue to change the subject and avoid my questions.

What question did I avoid?! The one about how the studio wanted ScarJo from the get go? Okay, yea that's been pretty obvious from jump, what's your point? That still doesn't change anything I've said before. Not to mention, they tried to make her or others in the movie look more Asian. That's even more messed up! It's basically modern day yellowface.

 

[Logan0327]

do people actually think if scarlet denied the role they would of just hired an asian actress lol

people do realize margot robbie was originally cast right?

 

[Monochron]

I don't necessarily think the actors or actresses are racist themselves. They just have no right to stand on their soap boxes and talk about, champion and halfheartedly fight for diversity then turn around and take roles that should have rightfully gone to actors of color. I'm looking at you Emma Stone, Rooney Mara and Tilda Swinton.

At some point, the onus is on these actors and actresses to have the balls to start telling these movie studios no and actually putting their money where their mouth is and stick up for actors of color.

They're not racist. It's ignorance, a lack of awareness of the disadvantages minority actors face in Hollywood.

 

[Monochron]

That of course was not the question. You can't cry source material and then be like, "change the race because white characters don't count".

The Iron Fist talk in another can of worms, not same thing as with this film but related. If you want to talk about it we can do so via pm or we can go to the Iron Fist thread dedicated to it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What question did I avoid?! The one about how the studio wanted ScarJo from the get go? Okay, yea that's been pretty obvious from jump, what's your point? That still doesn't change anything I've said before. Not to mention, they tried to make her or others in the movie look more Asian. That's even more messed up! It's basically modern day yellowface.

Race changing is one thing. Your points are invalided by the fact that the reason this films is being made because of the actress.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Yes, because women are treated so well by Hollywood.

I now see why you continue to change the subject and avoid my questions.

He never answers any questions. Left all my questions in the previous page unanswered.

I don't necessarily think the actors or actresses are racist themselves. They just have no right to stand on their soap boxes and talk about diversity then turn around and take roles that should have rightfully gone to actors of color. I'm looking at you Emma Stone, Rooney Mara and Tilda Swinton.

At some point, the onus is on these actors and actresses to have the balls to start telling these movie studios no and actually putting their money where their mouth is and stick up for actors of color.

But why? Are these actors of color going to give them a portion of their paycheck for letting them take the role? Is ScarJo just going to say, "nah, forget this multi-million dollar payday, let someone else take this role"

These actors are in the business to make movies and make money.

So you don't like Mara, Stone and Swinton taking their respective roles, but have no problem with Idris Elba/Roland Deschain, Will Smith/Deadshot, Chiwetel Ejiofor/Baron Mordo and possibly Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Mad Ones]

It's difficult enough being a woman in Hollywood and landing leading action roles, so I'm not going to blame ScarJo for anything.

Hollywood should stop taking from everywhere else without giving anything back though. If Hollywood's adapting a non-western property it could at least use it as an opportunity to propel non-Western talent (behind and in front of the camera).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Iron Fist talk in another can of worms, not same thing as with this film but related. If you want to talk about it we can do so via pm or we can go to the Iron Fist thread dedicated to it.

I have read those arguments. It clearly contradicts any argument based upon source material. It is exactly why you are avoiding it here. Because it destroys your argument.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's difficult enough being a woman in Hollywood and landing leading action roles, so I'm not going to blame ScarJo for anything.

Hollywood should stop taking from everywhere else without giving anything back though. If Hollywood's adapting a non-western property it could at least use it as an opportunity to propel non-Western talent (behind and in front of the camera).

Oh they gave them something. Rights fees aren't cheap.

 

[Logan0327]

He never answers any questions. Left all my questions in the previous page unanswered.




But why? Are these actors of color going to give them a portion of their paycheck for letting them take the role? Is ScarJo just going to say, "nah, forget this multi-million dollar payday, let someone else take this role"

These actors are in the business to make movies and make money.

So you don't like Mara, Stone and Swinton taking their respective roles, but have no problem with Idris Elba/Roland Deschain, Will Smith/Deadshot, Chiwetel Ejiofor/Baron Mordo and possibly Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie?

You can't have it both ways.

yup it is like fans forget this is how these actors make money and put food on the table

people expect scarlett who is married with a kid to turn down a likely 150 million dollar block buster lead role

 

[SuperT]

So you don't like Mara, Stone and Swinton taking their respective roles, but have no problem with Idris Elba/Roland Deschain, Will Smith/Deadshot, Chiwetel Ejiofor/Baron Mordo and possibly Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie?

You keep pushing this idea that these two situations are the same but they aren't. There are tons and tons of roles for white people in Hollywood, they're literally never going to run out of roles for white people ever. Minorities don't have that same luxury, there are limited roles being written specifically for minorities and minority characters. That forces higher than normal competition and shuts out talent who would have otherwise been given roles if they were white.

So no, changing a white character and casting a minority actor in the role IS NOT the same as whitewashing a minority character. With whitewashing, you're already reducing the chances from an already slim pool. For every one white character that's changed or played by a minority character, you're going to have a ton more white roles pop-up in it's place. That's not happening on the flip side with minorities in the industry.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You keep pushing this idea that these two situations are the same but they aren't. There are tons and tons of roles for white people in Hollywood, they're literally never going to run out of roles for white people ever. Minorities don't have that same luxury, there are limited roles being written specifically for minorities and minority characters. That forces higher than normal competition and shuts out talent who would have otherwise been given roles if they were white.

So no, changing a white character and casting a minority actor in the role IS NOT the same as whitewashing a minority character. With whitewashing, you're already reducing the chances from an already slim pool. For every one white character that's changed or played by a minority character, you're going to have a ton more white roles pop-up in it's place. That's not happening on the flip side with minorities in the industry.

It is exactly the same, as they are actors and actresses taking paying jobs. It is also the same for studios.

 

[Monochron]

I have read those arguments. It clearly contradicts any argument based upon source material. It is exactly why you are avoiding it here. Because it destroys your argument.

The Iron Fist situation is one in a long Hollywood tradition that revolves around taking east asian culture, really any culture viewed as exsotic by western standards, and putting a white guy as the center of it. Like I said it's not the same as this but related none the less.

 

[Monochron]

It is exactly the same, as they are actors and actresses taking paying jobs. It is also the same for studios.

Scarlett Johansson is filthy rich, let's not pretend she needed this role.

 

[SuperT]

It is exactly the same, as they are actors and actresses taking paying jobs. It is also the same for studios.

IT IS NOT THE SAME! You are working under the assumption that minorities and white actors are both on an even playing field and are being offered the exact same amount of roles. They are not!

We have, and still do have, actors of color like Viola Davis, Constance Wu, Gina Rodriguez and many more telling you repeatedly for years that they are not being offered the same amount or same types of roles as white actors and yet you still think they are.