Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

[Dr. Evil]

A lot of people are suggesting Lord and Miller to replace Wright.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I still think Wright's idea for adapting Ant-Man is a good approach to take with the character wether he's involved or not. Just doing another "scientist gets powers, fights villain, gets the girl" movie would be boring as hell. Changing it up, focusing on the legacy aspect, focusing on the "what it means to be a hero" aspect, delving into the heist movie genre, that's a clever and innovative route to take with Ant-Man. Nothing has been sacrificed.

You touch on a really good point here when you bring up the "heist movie genre." What has been one of the MCU's biggest strengths? Its ability to genre-hop. The first Cap film was a boys' own war picture, the sequel was a paranoid 1970s style conspiracy thriller, and GOTG is a sci-fi space opera. The prospect of an Ocean's Eleven style heist caper with superhero trappings could be something new again, though if it takes too much relish in setting up the big score the. That could tie into the rumoured problems with the "morality" of the piece.

 

[The Question]

You touch on a really good point here when you bring up the "heist movie genre." What has been one of the MCU's biggest strengths? Its ability to genre-hop. The first Cap film was a boys' own war picture, the sequel was a paranoid 1970s style conspiracy thriller, and GOTG is a sci-fi space opera. The prospect of an Ocean's Eleven style heist caper with superhero trappings could be something new again, though if it takes too much relish in setting up the big score the. That could tie into the rumoured problems with the "morality" of the piece.

That's the greatest strength of superheroes in general. By their very nature they cross multiple genres, and Marvel Studios realized that they could do that with the films instead of just making formulaic dreck. Everyone suggesting that we shift Ant-Man towards a generic origin story is totally missing the point.

The morality thing… eh. Disney made Aladdin, I can't imagine a thief hero would be a problem for them.

 

[babykhris]

That's the greatest strength of superheroes in general. By their very nature they cross multiple genres, and Marvel Studios realized that they could do that with the films instead of just making formulaic dreck. Everyone suggesting that we shift Ant-Man towards a generic origin story is totally missing the point.

The morality thing… eh. Disney made Aladdin, I can't imagine a thief hero would be a problem for them.

I think Disney thinks this a risky project. If Marvel Studios films are doing big numbers they want to keep that track record going.

All the past Marvel films felt like blockbusters even GotG. Should Disney say we're going lose $$$ of this type of film, but as long as the cool kids love it that's ok.

Fans of comics hated Iron Man 3 because of The Mandarin, but average consumers spend over a billion dollars on it.

I can't see the general public getting behind Ant-Man. What's the selling point a director that the average film goer doesn't know. Most people I know didn't care who directed Iron Man 3 or Avengers just that it was cool.

 

[The Question]

Fans of comics hated Iron Man 3 because of The Mandarin, but average consumers spend over a billion dollars on it.

I'm a fan of the comics and I loved Iron Man 3, partly because of The Mandarin. Easily one of the best interpretations of the character I've ever seen.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Im sorry but the notion "disney might not want to handle a thief as a main character" is beyond ridiculous.... disney's gone much darker than that.

That notion is just laughably ignorant

 

[babykhris]

Now here's a question everyone is avoiding I have asked this for months. Why should the general public care about this property?? Now before someone uses the why care about the Guardians. Well they have cool trailers.

It's a superhero film about a guy rescuing his kid. That could be an episode of Agents of SHIELD.

No one knows the villain of the film is. Can someone honestly tell me who it is?? Then how do you market the film? From the director of some cult classics come the guy who talks to ants. Give me something to care about. Every MCU I went 1st day. Give me a reason to go see this BESIDES a director!!!

 

[The Question]

Now here's a question everyone is avoiding I have asked this for months. Why should the general public care about this property?? Now before someone uses the why care about the Guardians. Well they have cool trailers.

It's a superhero film about a guy rescuing his kid. That could be an episode of Agents of SHIELD.

No one knows the villain of the film is. Can someone honestly tell me who it is?? Then how do you market the film? From the director of some cult classics come the guy who talks to ants. Give me something to care about. Every MCU I went 1st day. Give me a reason to go see this BESIDES a director!!!

What's wrong with a story about someone rescuing his kid?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Now here's a question everyone is avoiding I have asked this for months. Why should the general public care about this property?? Now before someone uses the why care about the Guardians. Well they have cool trailers.

It's a superhero film about a guy rescuing his kid. That could be an episode of Agents of SHIELD.

No one knows the villain of the film is. Can someone honestly tell me who it is?? Then how do you market the film? From the director of some cult classics come the guy who talks to ants. Give me something to care about. Every MCU I went 1st day. Give me a reason to go see this BESIDES a director!!!

Isnt that almost like saying "why should anyone see any movie?"

Because the cast, the entertainment, the story/special fx, and the humor. Antman's abilities alone make him unique to the movie industry and something we havent seen since "honey I shrunk the kids"

 

[babykhris]

What's wrong with a story about someone rescuing his kid?

Question one thing I liked about Marvel Studios projects is the villains.

Iron Man had Iron Monger
Hulk had Abomination
Iron Man 2 had Whiplash
Thor had Loki
Cap had Red Skull
Avengers had Loki & Chitauri
Iron Man 3 had ...
Thor 2 had Malekith
Cap 2 had Winter Soldier
GotG has Ronan
Avengers 2 has Ultron

while Ant Man has ????

 

[The Question]

Question one thing I liked about Marvel Studios projects is the villains.

Iron Man had Iron Monger
Hulk had Abomination
Iron Man 2 had Whiplash
Thor had Loki
Cap had Red Skull
Avengers had Loki & Chitauri
Iron Man 3 had ...
Thor 2 had Malekith
Cap 2 had Winter Soldier
GotG has Ronan
Avengers 2 has Ultron

while Ant Man has ????

I have no idea. I haven't read the script and there isn't a trailer yet.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Seriously, wtf. Complaining about this seems really premature. They haven't even started filming yet.

 

[Tony Stark]

Im sorry but the notion "disney might not want to handle a thief as a main character" is beyond ridiculous.... disney's gone much darker than that.

That notion is just laughably ignorant

Exactly, Disney has produced many rated R films under Toucstone, Mirimax and Hollywood pictures. As I said earlier, Marvel Studios is run as an independent subsidiary, the thought that Disney is daily meddling in their affairs is just plain wrong.

The whole "Disney was concerned with the morality of the film" was a rumor started by Latino Review which has had a dwindling reputation for accuracy.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Now here's a question everyone is avoiding I have asked this for months. Why should the general public care about this property?? Now before someone uses the why care about the Guardians. Well they have cool trailers.

It's a superhero film about a guy rescuing his kid. That could be an episode of Agents of SHIELD.

No one knows the villain of the film is. Can someone honestly tell me who it is?? Then how do you market the film? From the director of some cult classics come the guy who talks to ants. Give me something to care about. Every MCU I went 1st day. Give me a reason to go see this BESIDES a director!!!

I think a smart marketing campaign with a trailer that sells the film as a fun experience. along with the Marvel Studios branding, should be enough to sell the film.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Question one thing I liked about Marvel Studios projects is the villains.

Iron Man had Iron Monger
Hulk had Abomination
Iron Man 2 had Whiplash
Thor had Loki
Cap had Red Skull
Avengers had Loki & Chitauri
Iron Man 3 had ...
Thor 2 had Malekith
Cap 2 had Winter Soldier
GotG has Ronan
Avengers 2 has Ultron

while Ant Man has ????

Ant-Man has... [BLACKOUT]Hank Pym. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Human Torch]

Ant-Man has... [BLACKOUT]Edgar Wright. [/BLACKOUT]

Fixed.t:

 

[Human Torch]

It's not too late to include Pym as a cameo in AOU.They could give him a small role in a scene just to say he was involved.But the window for that is closing,I imagine.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I hope they give Pym a cameo where Tony Stark single-handedly invents Ultron and it cuts to Pym saying, "Man, I wish I'd thought of that!"

 

[Human Torch]

I hope they give Pym a cameo where Tony Stark single-handedly invents Ultron and it cuts to Pym saying, "Man, I wish I'd thought of that!"

Stark: "You snooze,you lose."

Pym*looking into the camera*:"Tell me about it."

 

[OneOfStarks]

Question one thing I liked about Marvel Studios projects is the villains.

Iron Man had Iron Monger
Hulk had Abomination
Iron Man 2 had Whiplash
Thor had Loki
Cap had Red Skull
Avengers had Loki & Chitauri
Iron Man 3 had ...
Thor 2 had Malekith
Cap 2 had Winter Soldier
GotG has Ronan
Avengers 2 has Ultron

while Ant Man has ????

Iron Man 3 had Killian, right?
and ... didn't Cap 2 have HYDRA? The Winter Soldier himself was a victim of their doings...

 

[doink]

Im sorry but the notion "disney might not want to handle a thief as a main character" is beyond ridiculous.... disney's gone much darker than that.

That notion is just laughably ignorant

Especially when, again, GoTG's main characters are (as the new trailer puts it):

You have Peter Quill calling himself a thief in this trailer that was approved of by Disney marketing, and some people think Disney can't handle a thief protagonist? Never mind, you know, Aladdin...

 

[Mike Murdock]

Now here's a question everyone is avoiding I have asked this for months. Why should the general public care about this property??

How is everyone avoiding the question? I've answered it several times.

Here and here are places I did.

The answer is that it's combining a superhero movie with a heist movie. I could go on, but, to be honest, we'd have to know more information to say for sure. I think the movie (particularly the use of both Pym and Lang) has potential to create interesting characters in a way that none of the previous Marvel movies have done, but I can't say the movie itself would do that. So, unless you want me to talk about the potential the movie has rather than actuality that it does have (which I could since it would be consistent with your question), we'd have to wait and see.

 

[Ant-manic]

You touch on a really good point here when you bring up the "heist movie genre." What has been one of the MCU's biggest strengths? Its ability to genre-hop. The first Cap film was a boys' own war picture, the sequel was a paranoid 1970s style conspiracy thriller, and GOTG is a sci-fi space opera. The prospect of an Ocean's Eleven style heist caper with superhero trappings could be something new again, though if it takes too much relish in setting up the big score the. That could tie into the rumoured problems with the "morality" of the piece.

redemption was mentioned. but i agree with your point. and maybe it changes in the movie. but Lang was thieving to provide for his child. she's always been the motivation. he's not Felicia Hardy or Gambit; thieving for sport.

 

[Ant-manic]

Question one thing I liked about Marvel Studios projects is the villains.

Iron Man had Iron Monger
Hulk had Abomination
Iron Man 2 had Whiplash
Thor had Loki
Cap had Red Skull
Avengers had Loki & Chitauri
Iron Man 3 had ...
Thor 2 had Malekith
Cap 2 had Winter Soldier
GotG has Ronan
Avengers 2 has Ultron

while Ant Man has ????

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p.s. it's strange how you ask a question. someone answers. you ignore their answer. ask a different question. and then complain about no one answering your original question.

 

[The Question]

redemption was mentioned. but i agree with your point. and maybe it changes in the movie. but Lang was thieving to provide for his child. she's always been the motivation. he's not Felicia Hardy or Gambit; thieving for sport.

Well, Felicia started off thieving because it was the family business and her father raised her into it, and Gambit started off thieving because he was a homeless kid who joined a gang to survive, so they both have a little more going on motivation wise than just being thrill seekers.