Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

[Rock Sexton]

Yet to did resort to calling people haters back then, funny that. People were not casting failure on the movie, merely airing things that worried them, yet you made things worse by jumping down our throats and saying we were against Marvel, which was not the case at all. I have seen you say the same things to people in this very thread because they dare to criticise Marvel for whats happened here. You also called me a 'DC Lover' many times, is that not a thing for 5 year olds as well? You were arguing about the movie with people who had seen it when you hadnt, is that not childish and blind fanboyism all rolled into one?

I never used the word hater. Again, that kind of commentary is for the mentally challenged.

My thoughts in this thread were aimed at people crying "disaster to the MCU" because of this Wright situation before any of them knew any facts. But again I'm taking to the same guy who formed his opinion of T:TDW before he even saw the movie.

Ha ha, this comment just shows how much you live in your own little bubble, I have been on this board for 13 years and admitted plenty of times I was wrong, Thor 2 was simply one of the ones were I was right.

At the same time, I take it you didnt read my review of TWS were I stated Marvel bounced right back IM3 and Thor 2? Or do you only pipe up when people dare to have negative things to say about Marvel? I dont want an argument but why do you feel its your responsibility to defend Marvel in everything they do when they have made plenty of mistakes, and I am a die hard Marvel fan myself and can admit this. Try THAT sometime and then come back to me.

Give you a break? Stop jumping down peoples throats for having a go Marvel EVERY time then.

What does your review with TWS have to do with fessing up to when you're wrong? Did you lambast that movie before you saw it just like you did T:TDW?

I'll stop jumping down your throat for rushing to conclusions before facts arrive (or you've actually seen movies in question) as soon as you stop jumping down Marvel's. Your supposed "die hard" status is hard to believe quite frankly, based on what I've seen of your posts. As for me defending Marvel at every impasse, again another childish argument rooted in your lack of familiarity with my posting history. I've had issues at various times with them dating back to the Norton tiff.

But I digress. Let's not derail this thread anymore. You've said your piece, I've said mine. Time for you to move on from our tiff about T:TDW. I mean that happened in November for cryin' out loud.

 

[JackMercy]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/why-ant-man-director-edgar-707374

 

[TheVision]

Whos studio is it? Who gets final say whats in/out of the movie? Is this the MCU or Edgar Wrights Slice O' Fried Gold Cornetto Super Hero Universe? Answer those questions and youll know whos in the right.

PS: we all knew this already, Edgar didnt I guess.

 

[Tony Stark]

So it appears this has NOTHING to do with Disney, as some here have pressed and Latino Review once again proves to be one of the most unreliable sources on these matters.

That's not going to stop people from spreading false information that "Disney execs are taking over" or some other such nonsense.

This was a clash of what Feige and Marvel wanted for the character and what Wright wanted for the character. I'm OK with that, so for me this story is over, I'm only looking forward to who might take over this project and how they are going to move it forward.

I do hope they can keep Rudd, Douglas and Lilly onboard, and this doesn't end up another 5 years in development hell.

 

[The Question]

Whos studio is it? Who gets final say whats in/out of the movie? Is this the MCU or Edgar Wrights Slice O' Fried Gold Cornetto Super Hero Universe? Answer those questions and youll know whos in the right.

PS: we all knew this already, Edgar didnt I guess.

Just because you own the company, that doesn't mean your decisions are always right. That's complete nonsense. If this is true, we still have no way of knowing wether or not Feige's demanded changes were reasonable. And wether they were or not, having someone else rewrite the script without even telling the screenwriter/director that it will happen is still a huge dick move.

 

[TheVision]

Just because you own the company, that doesn't mean your decisions are always right. That's complete nonsense. If this is true, we still have no way of knowing wether or not Feige's demanded changes were reasonable. And wether they were or not, having someone else rewrite the script without even telling the screenwriter/director that it will happen is still a huge dick move.

Sometimes you gotta do whats best for your team first. Edgar wasnt the right fit. I think its was probably obvious to everyone but him.

Also, Marvels track record so far is pretty outstanding. Ill take Feige's call on whats good/bad for the MCU over anyones.

Can you dig it? I think you can! t:

 

[The Question]

Sometimes you gotta do whats best for your team first. Edgar wasnt the right fit. I think its was probably obvious to everyone but him.

Also, Marvels track record so far is pretty outstanding. Ill take Feige's call on whats good/bad for the MCU over anyones.

Can you dig it? I think you can! t:

Or, Feige had the wrong creative vision for this film, and Wright was the only one who could see that. It goes both ways. We have no way of knowing who was in the right, if anyone was. Making assumptions now is just petty.

Wright's track record has also been outstanding. There's no real his call on what's good/bad is less valid than Feige's.

And Marvel's track record hasn't been perfect. Really, the Thor movies are kind of a mess.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Feige didn't necessarily have to be the one demanding the changes. If it came from above his head, he would still have been the one to inform Wright. **** rolls downhill.

 

[The Question]

Also that. Even if sources at marvel say this was Feige and not from a higher up, it's possible Feige might be intentionally taking responsibility for it for internal political reasons. We don't know.

 

[InternetPeople]

It does not matter if the changes demanded were reasonable or not. This is not about who is right or wrong in the public's eyes. These are Marvel's toys and you only get to play with them a certain way. If you don't like it, tough cookies. It's not like Fiege and co. can't find someone else to play with the toys how they want.

 

[JackMercy]

It does not matter if the changes demanded were reasonable or not. This is not about who is right or wrong in the public's eyes. These are Marvel's toys and you only get to play with them a certain way. If you don't like it, tough cookies. It's not like Fiege and co. can't find someone else to play with the toys how they want.

 

[TheVision]

For good or bad: Marvel > Edgar Wright

You can disagree say Feiges a dick, whatever you want but theyre playing chess not checkers. Its a business.

 

[The Question]

It does not matter if the changes demanded were reasonable or not. This is not about who is right or wrong in the public's eyes. These are Marvel's toys and you only get to play with them a certain way. If you don't like it, tough cookies. It's not like Fiege and co. can't find someone else to play with the toys how they want.

So, even if they're wrong, because they're the ones who own everything that makes them right anyway?

That's nonsense.

If someone's in the wrong, they're in the wrong. It may not be possible to do anything about it, the only choice might be to leave the project like Wright did, but they don't get to avoid criticism just because they're within their legal rights. You can still act within your legal rights and be a dick.

I'm not saying that Marvel and Feige were in the wrong. But if they were, then they deserve to get **** for it. Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should.

For good or bad: Marvel > Edgar Wright

By what measure?

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm sure all the directors who have left Marvel are just pretentious *****, and not people who had studio meddling put upon them and were unwilling to continue working under such constraints. I'm sure that all of these talented directors who have had no trouble working with any other studio were pretentious uncooperative egomaniacs trying to force their *****ey visions on Marvel and Marvel was simply oh so patient with them until Feige's immense patience was finally pushed to it's limit and he had to let them go, for the good of the individual films. He didn't want to, but they just pushed him too far. All of them, who only have problems with Marvel Studios. Wright is simply the most prolific case, but directors have been being pretentious *******s when it comes to Marvel Studios for a while now. I'm glad to see this issue is coming to light. It's the studio that cares about the art and the characters, the directors just care about what makes money.

I love writing fanfiction.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

If someone hires me to come to their house and fix their leaky faucet, that's what I do. That's what the job is. I don't remodel their entire ****ing bathroom just because I think it needs it.

 

[TheVision]

^^ You say: Yes maam, Ill fix that leaky faucet for ya! And you fix it and do it correctly. You dont try to remodel the house.

Ill be totally honest, I dont even care if Wright was screwed. I do care about the MCU continuing to be as awesome as it can be. They should only hire filmmakers who know their rules, play the game and that get along with the execs, that way there wont be anymore of this Auteur Diva behavior.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Also that. Even if sources at marvel say this was Feige and not from a higher up, it's possible Feige might be intentionally taking responsibility for it for internal political reasons. We don't know.

If we don't know then how can you postulate what Feige did with re-writes as a "dick move" and other caveats you keep sounding your horn about?

 

[The Question]

If someone hires me to come to their house and fix their leaky faucet, that's what I do. That's what the job is. I don't remodel their entire ****ing bathroom just because I think it needs it.

If someone hires me to remodel their bathroom, and then they micromanage the project and reject my proposals and make their own the designs that are absolute crap and that they expect me to carry out, then they're ***** and I'm quitting.

Goes both ways man. Wright might have been in the wrong. Marvel might have been in the wrong. Both might have been in the wrong. And maybe neither were in the wrong and it was just one of those things that didn't work out. But to assume who was in the wrong now just reveals petty biases. And whoever might be in the wrong, nobody deserves a free pass, wether it's on the grounds that they're an auteur or on the grounds that they own the copyright. If you're bing a dick, you're being a dick. Simple as that.

 

[Rock Sexton]

If someone hires me to remodel their bathroom, and then they micromanage the project and reject my proposals and make their own the designs that are absolute crap and that they expect me to carry out, then they're ***** and I'm quitting.

But you don't know those "designs" are cra.? You keep telling everyone else we don't know, we don't know and then you make an absolute statement like that.

It doesn't matter what Wright wants at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is the Marvel execs and it's pretty explicitly clear to all who sign up with this franchise.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

If someone hires me to remodel their bathroom, and then they micromanage the project and reject my proposals and make their own the designs that are absolute crap and that they expect me to carry out, then they're ***** and I'm quitting.

Good luck staying in business with that attitude. When you work for someone else, sometimes you have to eat some ****.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Good luck staying in business with that attitude.

Hahaha seriously. What world does he live in?

 

[TheVision]

Edgar did the right thing, he jumped ship when things werent working out. Now he can go back to his indie comedies and Marvel can get a filmmaker thats right for Ant Man. Everyones happy. So its all good.

lol, The Question would be like: F*** All yall!

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[Rock Sexton]

Edgar did the right thing, he jumped ship when things werent working out. Now he can go back to his indie comedies and Marvel can get a filmmaker thats right for Ant Man. Everyones happy. So its all good.

Better now than during production or in post.

 

[TheFuture]

Jesus christ, 2 weeks ago one of the reasons most were looking forward to this was Edgar Wight. But now that him and Marvel have gone their separate ways, Wright is apparently incompetent and out of his depth, incapable of handling a "big studio" production.

What has changed between now and a month of ago, where every cast announcement was met with positivity and excitement? Wright was making all the right noises, but now that things have gone sour it *must* be all his fault, because god forbid the thought that Marvel Studios could do anything wrong. It's not like they've ever strong armed someone out of the fold for nothing more than trying to stand up for their principles.

It's truly sickening to see how some people have rounded so viciously on Wright. I hope he bounces back because he deserves to.

 

[InternetPeople]

So, even if they're wrong, because they're the ones who own everything that makes them right anyway?

That's nonsense.

If someone's in the wrong, they're in the wrong. It may not be possible to do anything about it, the only choice might be to leave the project like Wright did, but they don't get to avoid criticism just because they're within their legal rights. You can still act within your legal rights and be a dick.

I'm not saying that Marvel and Feige were in the wrong. But if they were, then they deserve to get **** for it. Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should.

You seem to be he only one casting blame at this point. No one has said either party is wrong, only that Marvel owns the property and if Wright didn't like the changes, he could go pound sand. Wright's only choices in this matter is to direct or not to direct.

While Marvel can act within their rights and be a dick, Wright can be an obstinate prick in this situation too. No one around here has the facts and even if we did, the competing visions for the film will have differing opinions among the viewership. Neither party can be wholly "right" in this situation.

The thing we must acknowledge is the Ant-Man property and the MCU belongs to Marvel and they get to set the rules, whether you or Edgar Wright likes it or not.