Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

[The Question]

If we don't know then how can you postulate what Feige did with re-writes as a "dick move" and other caveats you keep sounding your horn about?

If the re-writes happened as described in that particular article, it was a dick movie. But only if they happened and if they happened in that way.

^^ You say: Yes maam, Ill fix that leaky faucet for ya! And you fix it and do it correctly. You dont try to remodel the house.

Ill be totally honest, I dont even care if Wright was screwed. I do care about the MCU continuing to be as awesome as it can be. They should only hire filmmakers who know their rules, play the game and that get along with the execs, that way there wont be anymore of this Auteur Diva behavior.

1: What if only hiring filmmakers who know their rules and play the game makes the films less awesome? Surrounding yourself with yes-men does't lead to good art. If Wright's vision for the film was better than Marvel's and Marvel screwed him, that will make the film less awesome.

2: You're assuming diva behavior when there's no evidence of that. You're revealing your bias.

But you don't know those "designs" are cra.? You keep telling everyone else we don't know, we don't know and then you make an absolute statement like that.

I was speaking to the hypothetical. WT gave a scenario where someone doing what Wright did was wrong. I crafted another scenario that reversed that to make the point that it could have happened either way.

Good luck staying in business with that attitude. When you work for someone else, sometimes you have to eat some ****.

Wether or not it's a good business decision isn't relevant. We're not talking about wether Wright made the appropriate decision for his career, we're talking about who was in the right in this falling out. And my point is that being the owners of the IP doesn't give any of Marvel's decisions a free pass. They can make the wrong decision and screw people over. That is possible. Wether or not it's a good idea for a director financially to go along with any hypothetical bad decisions made by Marvel is irrelevant.

 

[DrCosmic]

If someone hires me to come to their house and fix their leaky faucet, that's what I do. That's what the job is. I don't remodel their entire ****ing bathroom just because I think it needs it.

Let's run with that analogy.

1) Someone comes to you asking what you would like to do with their house. (Feige approached Wright asking him if there's any characters he wanted to deal with).

2) You say you would remodel their kitchen, they ask how, and you give them your crazy unique design, and they love it. They ask for minor changes. (Marvel was excited by Pym's

3) You go back and forth for a while, you give them the design, they ask for minor changes, you work on other houses and come back to do a redesign, they ask for other minor changes. They never ask you to change your basic pitch (Wright's 2006 spiel on Ant-Man was still valid/retweeted in 2013.) They never pressure you to hurry up.

4) You hire crew, you're getting your materials together, you have a day set, then one day your client calls you over and gives you a design, based on yours, but goes against the idea that you had when you pitched them what they loved, and you think it's dumb. But they say this is what hey want because reasons and you're taking too long.

Have you not done your job? You were ready to deliver on what they approved, and now all of a sudden, it's different. Are you in the wrong for not going along with something you dislike that's put upon you all of a sudden?

If the neighbors, who know nothing of the conversation, come along and tell you that the remodel was your selfish idea that the owner of the house was trying to change all along, even though the opposite is true, how do react to that?

Fans keep acting like Marvel didn't want Wright's crazy changes. Wright's unique vision is the only reason they were doing the film at all. Period. All of this projecting fan dislike of Wright's vision onto Feige and Marvel is fanfiction.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Fans keep acting like Marvel didn't want Wright's crazy changes. Wright's unique vision is the only reason they were doing the film at all. Period. All of this projecting fan dislike of Wright's vision onto Feige and Marvel is fanfiction.

See I personally find that comment a stretch. Back in 2006, yes Marvel's only reason to do the film was Wright. Things have changed dramatically. They've taken chances, which they were afraid to prior to Thor and The Avengers.

I think Marvel has a little more faith in its brand now and that's why they're not destitute with Wright leaving. Btw, your comments about the re-writes doesn't paint the entire picture. Is it chicken or the egg here? Wright's been at this how long now turning in scripts? You've got Wright not pleased with his material being altered, but you also have Marvel potentially tired of dealing with having an incomplete script as far as adheering to their vision of the MCU.

 

[The Question]

You seem to be he only one casting blame at this point. No one has said either party is wrong, only that Marvel owns the property and if Wright didn't like the changes, he could go pound sand. Wright's only choices in this matter is to direct or not to direct.

While Marvel can act within their rights and be a dick, Wright can be an obstinate prick in this situation too. No one around here has the facts and even if we did, the competing visions for the film will have differing opinions among the viewership. Neither party can be wholly "right" in this situation.

The thing we must acknowledge is the Ant-Man property and the MCU belongs to Marvel and they get to set the rules, whether you or Edgar Wright likes it or not.

1: I am not nor have I ever been casting blame. I've couched everything I've said in terms of "if" and "maybe."

2: People have been very clearly casting blame in this thread. Have you missed all of the posts where people call Wright a pretentious diva?

3: Your whole argument still gives Marvel a free pass. Yes, of course Marvel gets to set the rules. But that doesn't make it irrelevant wether or not the rules they set were wrong, just like Wright's track record as a film record doesn't make it irrelevant wether or not his decisions are wrong. Of course Wright's only choice were to direct or not to direct. No one has said that it isn't the case.

 

[TheVision]

^^ Its really the basics of being an artist, you pitch your idea, they say we like it, maybe we will have to change some things. You agree or disagree to that and move to the next step. You either get it right, or you get it wrong. BUT the main point here is that the employer gets the final say. If you say youre going to paint the house red and they go away, come back and its green, you better do it over in the right color. If not, get to steppin.

 

[weezerspider]

I think this thread boils down to most comic book fans have a ****** taste in movies.

All joking aside, working in the industry, I can tell you that the majority of the industry would be/is on Wright's side if this article is true. Marvel ****ed up, plain and simple.

 

[The Question]

^^ Its really the basics of being an artist, you pitch your idea, they say we like it, maybe we will have to change some things. You agree or disagree to that and move to the next step. You either get it right, or you get it wrong. BUT the main point here is that the employer gets the final say. If you say youre going to paint the house red and they go away, come back and its green, you better do it over in the right color. If not, get to steppin.

No one is denying that is how the process works.

But the employer's final say can still be wrong. If their final say is wrong, they deserve to be criticized for it.

 

[Rock Sexton]

1: I am not nor have I ever been casting blame. I've couched everything I've said in terms of "if" and "maybe."

2: People have been very clearly casting blame in this thread. Have you missed all of the posts where people call Wright a pretentious diva?

You realize you don't have to directly battle every single person who puts more blame on Wright ......

Everyone in here has seen your endless posts about "ifs" and "maybes". They get it.

 

[The Question]

You realize you don't have to directly battle every single person who puts more blame on Wright ...…

You realize that no one has to engage in this conversation at all.

Everyone in here has seen your endless posts about "ifs" and "maybes". They get it.

And yet I keep having to explain it.

 

[DrCosmic]

^^ Its really the basics of being an artist, you pitch your idea, they say we like it, maybe will change some things. You agree or disagree and move to the next step. You either get it right, or you get it wrong. BUT the main point here is that the employer gets the final say. If you say youre going to paint the house red and they come back and its green, you better do it over. If not, get to steppin.

If what the employer wants is the standard of right, then "right" could be a worse movie/product? Is that how we're defining things now? And what happens if you say you're going to paint the house red, and the employer loves your pitch, but after you start painting the employer takes away your red paint and gives you green. Yes you get to steppin, but does that mean you got it wrong?

Y'know, this is not unlike Joss Whedon and Wonder Woman not too many years ago. Universal Studios should hire him to run their Image Comics Universe. An Edgar Wright Invincble movie would, quite simply, kick enormous amounts of arse.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Edgar did the right thing, he jumped ship when things werent working out. Now he can go back to his indie comedies and Marvel can get a filmmaker thats right for Ant Man. Everyones happy. So its all good.

Congrats on your infraction!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Edgar did the right thing, he jumped ship when things werent working out. Now he can go back to his indie comedies and Marvel can get a filmmaker thats right for Ant Man. Everyones happy. So its all good.

Better now than during production or in post.

Pretty much where I am. Sorry it didn't work out but maybe this is for the best.

Unfortunately unless you're completely in Wright's corner and raging against the evil Overlord Feige you're stuck defending yourself from **** like this

Jesus christ, 2 weeks ago one of the reasons most were looking forward to this was Edgar Wight. But now that him and Marvel have gone their separate ways, Wright is apparently incompetent and out of his depth, incapable of handling a "big studio" production.

What has changed between now and a month of ago, where every cast announcement was met with positivity and excitement? Wright was making all the right noises, but now that things have gone sour it *must* be all his fault, because god forbid the thought that Marvel Studios could do anything wrong. It's not like they've ever strong armed someone out of the fold for nothing more than trying to stand up for their principles.

It's truly sickening to see how some people have rounded so viciously on Wright. I hope he bounces back because he deserves to.

for the rest of your life.

 

[Krystal]

Who cares about Ant-Man---I just want to know who is to blame?

 

[an_ewok]

Who cares about Ant-Man---I just want to know who is to blame?

When in doubt, blame Canada.

 

[TheVision]

Haha This is gonna go on and on and on and on.

Please let them announce a replacement so we can just get on with Ant Man going into production. Then discuss the actual film instead.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Haha This is gonna go on and on and on and on.

Please let them announce a replacement so we can just get on with Ant Man going into production.

God I can't wait.

There are other people perfectly capable of directing an Ant-Man MCU film.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

At the end of the day, if the rewrites changed things so significantly that Wright felt like it altered his vision for the project, I completely understand him leaving. I think most directors would have done the same thing. If Marvel only wants people willing to adhere to their strict way of doing things, I think we're gonna see the talent pool interested in these projects shrink significantly, and we're going to wind up with a bunch of copy cat cookie cutter films. That's my big fear here. The other Marvel movies didn't have the same feel, and they were the better for it.

 

[TheVision]

Im all for different styles/tones, if I wasnt I wouldnt love Cap 2, GOTG. Its a matter of having a vision thats cool, different but still adheres to the MCU. Somewhere along the way Edgars ideas just went off the map. Thats really all we can say for sure. Why would Marvel pimp the hell out of a crazy, far out film like GOTG but not Edgars Ant Man? Theres a problem in there somewhere.

^^ Ant Man could still be a really awesome film. I have faith that Feige & Co will get a solid filmmaker for it. I dont think theyre going to get rid of one guy then get a worse one, kinda defeats their goal.

Marvel has some great filmmakers in their studio, I hope they continue bringing in people who are the right fit and work well with them. This is supposed to be a positive, awesome thing for fans after all. Noone wants there to be conflicts here.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

^^ Ant Man could still be a really awesome film. I have faith that Feige & Co will get a solid filmmaker for it. I dont think theyre going to get rid of one guy then get a worse one, kinda defeats their goal.

Well, that's the thing though...it almost sounds like the Disney acquisition that their goal may have been altered. I'm concerned their being painted into a box by the higher ups, and that all the originality of these films might suffer for that.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

At the end of the day, if the rewrites changed things so significantly that Wright felt like it altered his vision for the project, I completely understand him leaving. I think most directors would have done the same thing. If Marvel only wants people willing to adhere to their strict way of doing things, I think we're gonna see the talent pool interested in these projects shrink significantly, and we're going to wind up with a bunch of copy cat cookie cutter films. That's my big fear here. The other Marvel movies didn't have the same feel, and they were the better for it.

Or MS will continue to provide a way for inexperienced and/or lesser known talents to get a shot at a big budget tentpole flick, ala The Russos or James Gunn.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Or MS will continue to provide a way for inexperienced and/or lesser known talents to get a shot at a big budget tentpole flick, ala The Russos or James Gunn.

Ya, Lord knows how poor the end result was with The Russos and CA:TWS. LOL

 

[djsunyc]

i'm not sure why some feel the need to take one side over the other. at the end of the day, all that matters is if a movie is made, that it's enjoyable. imho, i don't think marvel will hall-a$$ some movie just to get it out there. they will not hurt their brand.

 

[TheVision]

guitarsingerguy: If anything theyll probably keep trying new things, but they wont let one filmmaker control every single aspect simply because theres more going on than just them. Marvel isnt a studio that wants indie movies, They do want indie filmmakers that are trying to do something on a much bigger, mainstream scale.

 

[doink]

So it appears this has NOTHING to do with Disney, as some here have pressed and Latino Review once again proves to be one of the most unreliable sources on these matters.

That's not going to stop people from spreading false information that "Disney execs are taking over" or some other such nonsense.

This was a clash of what Feige and Marvel wanted for the character and what Wright wanted for the character. I'm OK with that, so for me this story is over, I'm only looking forward to who might take over this project and how they are going to move it forward.

I do hope they can keep Rudd, Douglas and Lilly onboard, and this doesn't end up another 5 years in development hell.

That's how I feel about it too...it's too bad that they couldn't get along or work things out in the end especially after such a long time, but ultimately the MCU has changed a lot and it's important for any MCU film to make sense with the other films. It doesn't mean that it can't be unique or that a director can't bring their own style to it, but in the end it should also move the universe forward and not clash too much with the other films.

My main interest in Ant-Man came from the legacy concept with old!Pym, I know a lot of people hated that but I thought it could be an interesting take on the character and fill in a part of the MCU. If they keep that intact then that would be great. But even then I'm a lot more interested in GoTG, Avengers:AoU, Cap 3, the Netflix shows, Dr. Strange, Thor 3, Agent Carter, possible Captain Marvel or Black Panther movies, season 2 of AoS, etc. than Ant-Man and I felt the same before Wright quit.

Ya, Lord knows how poor the end result was with The Russos and CA:TWS. LOL

I remember everyone being angry when the Russos were chosen XD I had my doubts at first too but when I read that article about them meeting with Ed Brubaker and getting his guidance I began to believe, and then when more info on the movie and more interviews with them came out I believed even more. Then when I actually saw the movie, my doubts were completely gone.t:

 

[Loki882]

Then don't hire a well-known indie filmmaker to being with. And certainly don't wait six freaking years and the movie being weeks away from filming to finally get into this dispute. It'd be like them hiring Terry Gilliam or Terrence Malik to do a movie. They both have their own unique styles and ways of doing thing that are well known. If those styles don't match your goals, ok that's fine. But then don't go to them in the first place.