Ant-Man Edgar Wright Leaves Ant-Man!! - Part 1

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I was kinda unsure how I felt about IM3 at first but over time Ive come to appreciate what Shane did with the character and story, not falling into the same traps. Its a really interesting take on Iron Man.

Thor 2 Ive only seen once, but my initial reaction was that it wasnt as great as Id hoped. It was a bit dull and kinda weak storywise. The crazy CGI stuff didnt do much for me and Malekith was about as lame as Ivan Vanko in IM2.
 
I was kinda unsure how I felt about IM3 at first but over time Ive come to appreciate what Shane did with the character and story, not falling into the same traps. Its a really interesting take on Iron Man.

Thor 2 Ive only seen once, but my initial reaction was that it wasnt as great as Id hoped. It was a bit dull and kinda weak storywise. The crazy CGI stuff didnt do much for me and Malekith was about as lame as Ivan Vanko in IM2.

Ultimately, I like both films, but for me, Iron Man 3 improved on repeat viewing, while Thor: The Dark World diminished on repeat viewing.
 
I wish we didn't have to hide behind all these veils of secrecy. One side can explain what happened. The other side can give their side, and go from there.
 
guitarsingerguy: If anything theyll probably keep trying new things, but they wont let one filmmaker control every single aspect simply because theres more going on than just them. Marvel isnt a studio that wants indie movies, They do want indie filmmakers that are trying to do something on a much bigger, mainstream scale.

Which could work out amazingly. I love what they've been able to accomplish with some of these people that we would have never expected to knock it out of the park. I just hope that continues to be the case, and I really thought Wright would fit into that template. Guess not though, but I'm certainly not an Ant Man fan or expert. My anticipation of this movie was much more based on the director and actors than the property.
 
Which could work out amazingly. I love what they've been able to accomplish with some of these people that we would have never expected to knock it out of the park. I just hope that continues to be the case, and I really thought Wright would fit into that template. Guess not though, but I'm certainly not an Ant Man fan or expert. My anticipation of this movie was much more based on the director and actors than the property.

I'm of the same opinion. Pretty much since Shaun of the Dead in 2004, Edgar Wright's name on a film has been a guarantee that I'll be going to see it in the cinema, and so more than anything else I was looking forward to Ant-Man as the new Edgar Wright film. But I'll also acknowledge that, since Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk in 2008, and especially since The Avengers in 2012, Marvel Studios has earned enough of my goodwill to guarantee that any film THEY make will get a guaranteed cinema ticket purchase from me. Has my excitement for Ant-Man been dampened? Sure. But I'm still going to be seeing it, I'm still hoping it can be a great film, and as much as I am rooting for Edgar Wright to rebound with a fantastic new movie of his own, I'm also rooting for Marvel Studios to rebound and bring this together into a quality film with a new director.
 
I'm of the same opinion. Pretty much since Shaun of the Dead in 2004, Edgar Wright's name on a film has been a guarantee that I'll be going to see it in the cinema, and so more than anything else I was looking forward to Ant-Man as the new Edgar Wright film. But I'll also acknowledge that, since Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk in 2008, and especially since The Avengers in 2012, Marvel Studios has earned enough of my goodwill to guarantee that any film THEY make will get a guaranteed cinema ticket purchase from me. Has my excitement for Ant-Man been dampened? Sure. But I'm still going to be seeing it, I'm still hoping it can be a great film, and as much as I am rooting for Edgar Wright to rebound with a fantastic new movie of his own, I'm also rooting for Marvel Studios to rebound and bring this together into a quality film with a new director.

Stop being reasonable--what are you--- a square peg?

Pick a side and go to war! :woot:

Wright will move on and his fans will enjoy his films---Marvel will continue to make big mainstream movies and their fans will be happy with most of what they do.

they really do need to get that director announced and put this behind them.
 
^^ Agreed. Everyone can do their thing how they want and the fans can get back to the Marvel madness.
 
Stop being reasonable--what are you--- a square peg?

Pick a side and go to war! :woot:

Wright will move on and his fans will enjoy his films---Marvel will continue to make big mainstream movies and their fans will be happy with most of what they do.

they really do need to get that director announced and put this behind them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the way the firing was announced was specifically designed for both sides to save face. Wright gets to walk away pretending to be the wronged indie auteur who was mercifully saved from having to slave for the Big Bad Corporation; the Big Bad Corporation gets to stick to the formula that's made them billions of dollars and work this story and characters into the larger framework of the Avengerverse, like they always intended. Win/Win. Group hug.
 
Here's a question, why does every Marvel Studios film have to be connected to the MCU?
 
Here's a question, why does every Marvel Studios film have to be connected to the MCU?

Because the Avengers made 1.2 Billion dollars.

Before Avengers, they were planning Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, all sorts of crazy stuff. Now? Nah.
 
^^ Re: MCU Connect: Id say because of The Avengers. They have to connect them all for those movies (for now).

Im still really intrigued by Hank Pyms place within the MCU. I want to know what he did, his connection to SHIELD and/or Stark Industries etc (if any). Why he hasnt been mentioned at all so far.
 
Here's a question, why does every Marvel Studios film have to be connected to the MCU?

Because the Avengers made 1.2 Billion dollars.

Before Avengers, they were planning Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, all sorts of crazy stuff. Now? Nah.

That was the reason.

Although I am sure that some creative minds can fit Runaways and Cloak and Dagger to the MCU if it's possible.
 
Because the Avengers made 1.2 Billion dollars.

Before Avengers, they were planning Runaways, Cloak and Dagger, all sorts of crazy stuff. Now? Nah.

So what? What's so vital for Ant-Man or other characters to be connected to the MCU?
 
So what? What's so vital for Ant-Man or other characters to be connected to the MCU?

The MCU doesn't always mean "Avengers." I don't expect the Netflix shows to connect to the Avengers, but there will be references to the MCU. There are ways to connect the Netflix shows together without linking them to the Avengers.
 
Also that. Even if sources at marvel say this was Feige and not from a higher up, it's possible Feige might be intentionally taking responsibility for it for internal political reasons. We don't know.

I'd also like better sources than "sources."
 
I'd also like better sources than "sources."

Unfortunately, that's usually all you get in journalism. Used to be that you could general trust unnamed sources, because news outlets lived and died on the currency of credibility and would never dream of publishing a source they weren't 100% about. But now you've got internet magazines that don't give a damn about credibility, so that trust goes out the window.
 
The MCU doesn't always mean "Avengers." I don't expect the Netflix shows to connect to the Avengers, but there will be references to the MCU. There are ways to connect the Netflix shows together without linking them to the Avengers.

The point I'm making is what's the harm in making films that don't sit within the universe at all? If Ant-Man was so out there and didn't quite fit the MCU mold what's the harm in still making it? At worst you've gotten an Edgar Wright action film.
 
The point I'm making is what's the harm in making films that don't sit within the universe at all? If Ant-Man was so out there and didn't quite fit the MCU mold what's the harm in still making it? At worst you've gotten an Edgar Wright action film.

Nothing is wrong with that.
 
I wonder why all the Marvel comics have to exist in the same universe as well.

Why does cloak and dagger have to exist in the same comic universe?

And yeah they were planning on Cloak and dagger movie and it got bumped for stuff like Captain America and Thor---ridiculous.
 
Here's a question, why does every Marvel Studios film have to be connected to the MCU?
A lot of extra people will watch with the connection I think, especially for properties they've never heard of.
 
Why start the MCU and then make films outside it? Thats not very bright.

Its Edgars loss if he wouldnt work to make his vision fit in with the MCU. He couldve given in a bit and had a huge hit film. Its not like this was an indie film and he was fired. It was a big franchise thing. You have to play by the rules that are established. All the other directors know that and they made it work really well. Now theyll have better careers for it.
 
It seems like Feige simply felt that Wright's script was too weird.

No it doesn't seem that way. Wright and co submitted several scipts, all of which were asked for rewrites, one of which got the go ahead to be given a release date.

The problem is, last year when the studio backed the "director's vision", these message boards went ape **** over changes to the Mandarin. There were people saying all kinds of terrible things about Feige over that because he backed Shane Black's vision for that character.

There are people to this day who call Iron Man 3 the worst comic book movie ever because of those changes, all due to Shane Black's vision. (FTR I am not one of them)

Now Wright is making radical changes to the characters, and it's OK because it's Edgar Wright, and how dare Feige and company interfere with his creative decisions, and it's Buster Keaton all over, etc., etc.

Seems like a crap load of hypocrisy, if you asked me.

And there are also people who defended the changes defiantly, just as now. Question was one of those, iirc. The lines are always split, and around here, more heavily and emotionally in favor of hate for the change.

I don't think they're split quite the same way because the Mandarin twist got it's shock value from marketing and fan (among others) expectations. So while the two days it took me to process the change and acknowledge how awesome it was happened after I formed my base reaction to IM3 (I found the twist off putting, but not as vitriolic as many did), the two days it took to see what excited Feige about Wrights' vision happened years ago.

On a side note, the more I think about it, the more awesome Trevor Slattery would have been if he'd be played by an actual Chinese descended actor.

And again, Feige and Marvel might have been totally in the right, but if they did the last minute stuff without warning as was rumored, that's messed up. Just because you are paying someone doesn't give you the moral authority to jerk them around. You have a responsibility to clearly communicate your desires and release the contractor as soon as you discover that you don't want what they're selling. You shouldn't retain people in the hopes that they will start selling something different because you can make their career or whatever. Any script revisions they wanted to mandate should have come with the notes from the first or second draft, not the last a few months before shooting.

Now there's a minority report. They may have only recently finished crafting the skeleton of Phase 3. As such, they wouldn't have known exactly what to mandate be in Ant-Man until a few months ago. So it's possible they didn't know exactly what effect such a mandate would have, but they've seen their mandates push other directors and actors away. So either they didn't care, or more likely, as businessmen, they were prepared to fall out with Wright at this time. How else could they be sure they could keep a soon coming release date if they did not have a plan?

It really does remind me of Joss Whedon and Wonder Woman. I honestly think Universal or Paramount should get the rights to Image and get Edgar Wright to run that universe.
 
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So what? What's so vital for Ant-Man or other characters to be connected to the MCU?

because Wasp is one of the few AMAZING female avengers (as a character). and both Antman and wasp are founding avengers.. and EVERY marvel film will be intertwined in the same universe... none have not been. All will connect that's their goal
 
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