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I’m not sure I can find the words, it was an emotional roller coaster. It was everything I ever wanted and more.

I loved the pacing of the movie, the way it built to the superb climax and the character interactions and development which took place. It was the perfect way to compliment the insane thrill ride of Infinity War.

Unbelievably epic, the perfect ending to the greatest saga in movie history.

10/10. This back to back with Infinity War is as good as it gets.


Oh and I thought they
handled time travel brilliantly. Their model is actually more in line with what real world scientists believe time travel would be like if we could do it.

They explained it very well and everything made sense. A couple of new branches were created and obviously Cap created a new branch for himself and Peggy before returning to the Prime timeline at the right moment after Peggy passed on (using the GPS tech and Pym particles). The reason he didn't appear at the platform is presumably because you can lay in your own coordinates and time (as shown by Tony when they go from 2012 to 1970.
 
I actually haven't given my review for AVENGERS: ENDGAME yet. I wanted to see the movie at least once more before I did so, but between seeing it opening day in NYC and then coming here and posting and interacting with so many as well as reading and listening to other reviewers online the film is very fresh in my mind I think. So having ruminated a bit here's my over all take in a SPOILER review so be forewarned.

This is part one going over the film and my feelings towards it as a whole. Part two will focus on the cast of characters and some odd and ends.

This is a bit of a daunting task so bear with me...

Okay, opening statement... I am a comic book superhero fan from way back. I was brought to see SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE in theaters at the age of 3 and damn if I don't remember it like yesterday. My household was always filled with other fans of super heroes growing up from my uncle on my mother's side to my brother. I got into them too and by my teenage years I was working at a comic book store that was right across the road from the High School I attended. I enjoyed the type of anti-heroes and more extreme type characters that ruled the late 80's and 90's but my heart was always with the classic styled super heroes. When everyone was losing their minds for Venom (Whom I find to be an insipid and stupid character) or Wolverine ( Whom I adore... But who is WAY over sold and over exposed as a character) I was still into the Superman, Flash, Captain America, Thor, Spidey, JLA and Avengers type heroes. Fast forward to this modern age of super hero films and when I was in the darkened theater in 2012 to see AVENGERS I could not believe what had been pulled off. The all star super hero team film with characters interacting in a story where they clashed but ultimately teamed up to fight off an invasion on the streets of NYC... It was all I could have asked for in that type of movie. The magic Marvel Studios is capable of was on display there when that film was released.

But...

I have to say that despite the promise of the early days of Marvel Studios I in no way shape or form am a die hard "Marvel Zombie" in terms of their output in cinemas for over ten years now. I have to say... I don't think every one of the films has been flawless. I don't think everything is a home run. It's not that anything in the films has been laughably bad. In a way it's worse. In my estimation about half are just... meh. Just perfunctory. Forgettable. Not offensive. But with no teeth. Even when they are very entertaining they come off as something with nothing to really say about anything. The success of these films has come down to a certain formula in which it's all things to all people. That's a great formula for casting a wide net but not for making anything with depth. What is worse for me personally is that these movies in being so god damned four quadrant lean incredibly heavy into "humor" to the point I find it annoying, even grating. It's like this odd mix of borderline lowest common denominator (not too low... We aren't in Michael Bay territory here, I will say that...) and then thoroughly middle of the road "dad jokes". And they fill them to the brim. This isn't every franchise. But outside of the Cap trilogy and Black Panther post Phase One and Avengers 1 this became the default for a lot of their output.

I like humor. I like jokes. But I will say this until I am blue in the face in regards to these movies... I DON'T GO TO THESE FILMS TO SEE A ****ING COMEDY! If I wanted to see a comedy... I WOULD GO TO SEE A ****ING COMEDY. But the wider audience and fan base ate this approach up. And I, as a longtime fan had to accept that this was something that is baked in. That doesn't mean it's not still an issue. An aspect of about half of the output of Marvel Studios films is that the jokes might be hoary and utterly white bread... But they do work. I can't say the humor doesn't usually land... But it does so too often at the expense in some fashion of other facets of their movies to the point it really seems like more thought goes into the gags than the super hero story elements thus ending up with a lot of films where the final product is this bland, rather pro forma thing with no bite, no depth and ultimately no meaning. Sorry but about half of the films I think really do follow this pattern. Fans themselves often use the term "Mid-Tier Marvel" when describing the middle of the road pictures of the Marvel. But to my eyes when a little over half falls into the Mid Tier range... It's not Mid Tier anymore.

This is all to preface that when it comes to this film and it's previous installment in INFINITY WAR, I'm not judging it as some kind of grand culmination to some flawlessly executed plan. I've not drunk the Kool Aid at all. I think this is important to say before I really get into the movie proper, to know where I stand on Marvel and it's place the grander Fanboy/girl Industrial Complex.

That out of the way, I feel this movie equals if not exceeds the excellence of execution that was INFINITY WAR in it's overall impact despite still containing the flaws that I find too often grating within the wider Marvel Studios filmography. While IW as a film was more conservative with it's humor quotient and was none the less entertaining because of it here the emphasis on humor ticks up slightly more but it's also a NEEDED aspect since this movie is so long and so much is dealing with the ramifications of the fallout for our cast of heroes from the ending of the last movie. Having light touches is likely a necessity. The fallout of Thanos' actions is front and center. And we get that in spades right off the bat. We get the eerie disappearance of Clint Barton's family, the return of Tony Stark to Earth and his all too understandable if cynical attack on Steve Rogers. We get Thor brooding about the taunts of Thanos from their last meeting and the team getting to work with Carol Danvers. All this leading up to the "final" confrontation with Thanos. The team avenges all right... To no fruitful end though. Well... From that point I was under the film's spell for the most part. I was willing to see where it would take me and it took me five years into the future.

Now, this was not unexpected but I also assumed this would not be a permanent state. We see that the Snapture has had a big effect on the heroes, though the effect on the wider world is muted at best. One of the Russo brothers doing a cameo at an encounter group and Scott Lang walking around a dilapidated neighborhood isn't quite setting the table for any real tight focus on the rest of the world. But that doesn't take away from this film too much. We see how the failure to stop Thanos has weighed down on most of our cast in some way, changed them in others but it is THE fact of their life now. It's the moment that they are still living in for the most part even years later. A chance encounter between a rat and the control panel of Hank Pym's Quantum Tunnel from ANT-MAN AND THE WASP (what I like to call "The Rat That Saved The Universe".) then releases Scott Lang back into the real world of the post Snapture Earth and it's that, Scott's perspective that the Quantum Realm might be the key is what sends the story into plot mode. Here then is the set up Now the film takes some time getting to plot mode and then lazily gets there setting up all it's dominoes before even getting close to knocking them down. And that really works.

It works and it has weight. In the movie, while there's a some broad humor spread all around, the bulk of the "funny" is put onto the shoulders of either Scott Lang or, surprisingly enough, Thor. For both those characters it does in meaningful ways kinda diminish them. Sorry, but it does. At the same time better it be concentrated on just them rather than spread to frequently to all the other characters. That's not to say that others don't get funny moments but with them it's not the constant "joke, joke, joke" rhythm Thor and Scott get employed for. And this is good because this film, even if it's dealing with flights of fancy like time travel, never let's you forget these are heroes on a serious mission, with far reaching consequences. By the time Black Widow sacrifices herself the stakes are more than apparent and at the forefront.

I know some have felt the time heist portion drags but I felt it was entertaining. In fact that's something the film never lets up on in my opinion. It's even when quiet, still very much holding your interest. I don't think the film felt "LOOOONG". It felt... Long. But not "LOOOONG". The number of characters and subplots it was juggling made it's length a necessity and while sure, I can't say that the middle is action packed it's still filled with stuff that interests us. It's a bit of a "victory lap" by Marvel as well with it's replaying of events from the past films we know but I think it's very smart and quite fun. Things like the upending of the elevator scene from WINTER SOLDIER, the meeting of Hulk and the Ancient One, and of course having to see the sacrifice for the Soul Stone play out again... These were cracker jack scenes that didn't bore, didn't make me want things to speed up.

And the thing is at the end of that section, pretty quickly things pick up and we are given a face melting, and I mean that... FACE MELTING, final third. Having disposed of Thanos at the start the time travel element of the film allows for yet another confrontation with the Mad Titan, only one from the past, without the Infinity Gauntlet. This is still more than enough to seem to overwhelm our collected heroes, who had managed to create their own Gauntlet and employ the Hulk to undo the Snapture. We get the barest recognition that the heroes' plan worked before Thanos starts his attack. This past version is of the mind to fully take advantage of the Avengers doing all the hard work of gathering the stones for him. There is a slight change in Thanos as presented in this movie. He's still the committed bad guy with a religious zeal but in Infinity War he was more zen like. Perhaps a result of having attained each goal so methodically during the course of that film's run time. Here, he still has that borderline religious zealotry but he's more of a hungry wolf. And this wolf still has a pack to call on. And while he takes on the Avengers' Trinity of Cap, Iron Man and Thor, their valiant efforts to thwart this version of Thanos are heroic but ultimately futile. Its a scene of grand heroic effort. I also must say that this version of Thanos having the knowledge that they killed his successful predecessor must play into his feelings in regards to the good guys' continual obstinate refusal to just give up, to the point he's going to take his revenge on planet Earth and once in possession of the Gauntlet do more than wipe out half of life but truly recreate all that is as he sees fit. End reality and then mold it in whatever fashion he wants, setting himself up as more than just a messianic figure but now as a dark god of a new creation that will be built on the destruction of all things.

And I gotta say because the film has so many plot threads hanging around, and yet it keeps you occupied with what it's presenting with in the moment that in this third act it keeps giving you a mix of emotional and action beats that just work so well because they are visceral and calculated for maximum impact. After a bravura moment of fan service with Capt. America wielding Thor's hammer (a time displaced Mjolnir, not Stormbreaker, so the worthiness enchantment still plays a role) the tide still hasn't turned and Captain America looks to be staring death in the face.

And then having distracted us with this already edge of your seat moment that plays out like a last stand... They play you like a fiddle and give you hope. They give you justice. They give you... A SUPER HERO STORY. With deft sleight of hand they made you forget that they had confirmed that the victims of Thanos from IW had indeed come back. And the ramifications for Cap, Thor and Iron Man are not lost on the audience. Now all the forces of Thanos don't face six heroes. They face the "the fallen". Every superhero, and whatever they bring to the table are brought into the fray and the payoff is a CGI filled fight sequence for the ages where we get probably the biggest and best super human melee, donnybrook and showdown of and super hero film ever. EVER. You have seen these words before but I think there's no other way to say it. It was the experience of reading a comic book brought to life. Here are the committed warriors of all that is dear to us facing off against an army of darkness using powers and abilities of the gods of old to protect the mundane world of today. It was incredibly well thought out and with flourish after flourish that never let up. And it not only had spectacle but melded fan service and characterization while STILL moving the plot to it's ultimate conclusion.

This all ends with Iron Man taking center stage and with perhaps the most fitting final words that need no more embellishment, Robert Downey Jr. proclaims what he did over a decade ago... Affirms that he IS Iron Man and then puts an end to Thanos, but also ends out the Marvel Cinematic Universe as we had come to know it, fitting in a film that literally took us on a tour of this universe in it's three hours.

The rest of the film... I can't say it's NOT messy if any thought is put into it. I know it will have it's defenders who will man the gates against criticism until they die, but sorry... The creators chose narrative fulfillment over logic, in story logistics or any other considerations... And that doesn't take away from the ending at all either. This film satisfied me that quibbles with the question of "time travel" or whether Steve Rogers would deny the world Capt. America feel almost silly to hold against it. Weaving elements from the best of the Marve releases the IW and AEG duology is, without a doubt, the greatest, and perhaps first, Super Hero Epic. It did the job of appeasing my inner fourteen year old AND the 43 year old I am as well. This is what I want from a super hero film. To feel something. To be moved. But also to have that in the context of a fantasy of characters that are both larger than life in both power and ethical fortitude but touching in their human relatability as well. Caught up in a plot that has scope in spectacle and some kind of moral dimension which reaches the same places in the human mind as mythology of old. This film did that and that's no higher praise than any fan of super heroes can give it I think.
 
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9.

Iveseen it twicein the last 5 days and it was incredible!
 
I'll be that guy. It gets a perfect 10 from me. It felt like the absolute perfect ending for so many of the characters, and I couldn't begin to describe the excitement when
Cap picked up Mjolnir, and when he FINALLY SAID IT!!! I'll agree that Hulk was somewhat short-changed, but after Bruce/Hulk getting so much focus in Avengers, Age of Ultron, Infinity War, AND Ragnarok, I was okay with it. Hawkeye finally getting several moments to shine was great. Also, There isn't enough that can be said about Evans's Cap and RDJ's Iron Man. Those two characters will have to rest for a long time before they can even THINK about recasting.
Were there some plot holes? Probably...but that's how it is with every time travel movie of any kind. They never totally make sense, and this one spent a good 5 minutes with Bruce and the Ancient One explaining how to repair the timeline so that it didn't create a "doomed to be destroyed" pocket universe. In fact, with Thanos leaving that timeline, they've created a SAFER pocket universe! So...there you go.
 
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end

NO SPOILERS SPOILER FREE

Praise: Even with all the spoilers floating around across the internet,clips and trailers
AVENGERS: ENDGAME still surprised me.There were so many great and unexpected moments in the film.
Starting with the performances with
Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark/Iron Man who serves up one of his best acting and giving the film a great emotional jumping point.
The cast which includes :
Jeremy Renner, Paul Rudd, Brie Larson, Bradley Cooper, Scarlett Johansson, Josh Brolin, Karen Gillan, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, & Don Cheadle give it their all as the characters they portray deal with half the universe vanishing.
There is a darkness to the film that is balanced by lighter moments actually some very humorous moments.This was a very involving experience.A movie which goes down paths of raw emotion and in such a bittersweet way.
The film borrows from one of my all time favorite trilogies but in a good way.

Sure there is fan service but i didnt find it to be over done.There are huge comic book splash page moments that thrilled me and just have to be seen on the big screen and if you dont you are definitely cheating yourself.

As the film entered it's last 20 minutes i found myself wanting one last quip,joke and save.A clear sign of how attached i have become to these characters over the years

Directors: Joe Russo, Anthony Russo do their best not to disappoint the hardcore or even casual fans of the heroes and villains that inhabit the film.
High praise to the make up artists who did a beyond terrific job !!

Problems:While the second act plays out i started to feel the films 3 hour run time.I started saying do some of these scenes really need to run so long?
The CGI is a bit off at times.Even with it's 3 hour run time i felt some characters got short changed.

Yes this is the end of a huge chapter and arc in the MCU and as tough as it is to say goodbye on the horizon there is more to come and im in high anticipation to see what Marvel/Disney has in store for the future.

Scale of 1-10 an 8½
 
After a day to think about it I’m leaning 5-6/10 for now and that means 3 in this poll (good could be better is a perfect summary). Might have a second viewing to see if it changes.

Good
RDJ performance, the overall story to wrap it up, the final battle.

Not so good
Only a couple minutes of dialogue to gloss over Hulk reconciliation of internal conflict, not once, but twice convenient show up of CM in a critical moment, anything to do with Thor

It’s a shame since I think i rated almost all MCU movies I have seen in theater starting from AOU a minimum of 8, and I had been so pumped for this. *sigh*
 
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Here is my Everything stupid about EndGame list.

Dont click if u havent watched the movie.

1. Thanos still having the gauntlet on after he destroyed the stones. Why ? Oh yeah so the suspense can happen. BS.
2. AntMan's van somehow ended up in a storage facility and noone toyed with it or stole it. BS.
3. The random mouse setting AntMan free is a completely convinient BS. BS.
4. Iron Man cracked the time travel problem in no time like it was nothing. BS.
5. Iron Man made a gauntlet when Thanos needed Eitiri. Was Eitiri even necessary ? BS.
6. Iron Man stole the stones from Thanos. Did Iron Man planned this before hand ? Made sure his armor was able to harness the stones in case he needed it ? BS.
7. Iron Man was able to take the power of the stones when Proffessor Hulk was screaming in pain and got handicapped.BS.
8. What happens with Loki and the other things the Avengers messed up while time traveling ? Nobody knows lets ignore them.
9. How the eff can someone return the Soul stone ? You just hand it to Red Skull and say "oops sorry it was a mistake i changed my mind. here take it and put it back!" BS.
10. 5 years have passed and Peter Parker still goes to school ? Yes time didnt pass for him but why was his fat friend there ? was he also dusted ? if not why the hell he is still in school ?
11. The all female heroes shot was forced as eff. Simply for the sake of existing and pleasing certain people.
12. Thor's depression/guilt/fat-phase thing was way overdone. Probably to set up the Proffessor Hulk doing the snap thing so he can become a cripple & retire without having to die. Also the glove had to be big to fit Thanos so Hulk needed to be the one at all costs.
13. Why the eff did Gamorra disappear just like that ? Nobody knows. Probably because of reasons.

Did i forget something ?

Dont get upset. Despite all this i rate this movie 10/10.
 
Yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. It didn't play like bad writing to me at all. It played out rather authentically from where I'm sitting.

No problem. Glad it worked for you (and I don’t say that sarcastically). :yay:

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I'd give Endgame a 9/10. There were a few issues I had that dragged the movie down, but the characters moments were great. Then the way the ending wrapped everything up. I walked away from the movie feeling good. Overall, I just really liked the movie. I'd probably put it around Black Panther on my scale. Just below Civil War, and Infinity War. But above the other MCU movies. Any points taken off for the negatives were added right back by the positives. It's not perfect, but it's still very good, IMO.

The bad (for me)

I guess my main gripes would be the treatment of Thanos, Hulk, and Thor. I'm not the biggest Hulk fan TBH. But I liked that his character arc led to a merged/professor Hulk. I just felt the Banner half got to shine much more than the Hulk half. I'd have liked to have seen Hulk slug it out with Thanos one more time. It's a minor nitpick though.

Thor had some funny scenes, and I get why he was bummed out. But the constant jokes at his expense, and inability to act at very crucial scenes just wore thin after awhile. Especially given how much character growth, and motivation he had going into this movie. That said, I look forward to Asguardians of the Galaxy, lol.

As for Thanos. I just felt like he just took a step back as a character in this movie. In Infinity War, Thanos set the standard for comic movie villains. In Endgame, he started to slide back towards generic villain. Don't get me wrong, he was still good. But he let his idealism slip towards the end with petty talk about how he'll enjoy destroying Earth. Then he felt a bit depowered when he was quickly killed at the beginning, and knocked around by several characters towards the end. He still did kick some ass, he just didn't seem as imposing, or as character driven in this movie as the last.

The rest of my gripes are mainly nit picks. The movie tend to wander off, and drag briefly in a small handful of scenes. A few plot holes, a few unecessary scenes, but nothing movie breaking. I guess the end fight was just a bit messy with too much going on. Even with all of that, I can only take 1 point off, because the good just was far more abundant, and memorable.

The good

About everything else. The character moments were on point, and touching. The ending felt right. The permanent deaths stuck with you. It felt like a fitting tribute to the MCU up until this point.

I already typed too much in the bad spoilers, but the good could easily fill up a lot more. I think the stand out moment for me, other than the touching Stark funeral, was probably worthy Cap. When he picked up Mjolnir, and then later was the last man standing. Holding a broken shield, and Mjolnir. Staring down the entire Thanos army alone. Just such a badass scene.

I agree with your observation of Thanos.
He still had the same sort of zen energy about him, which I liked, but at the same time, it felt that there was a shift that propelled him toward traditional/generic villainy.
 
7. Iron Man was able to take the power of the stones when Proffessor Hulk was screaming in pain and got handicapped.BS.
8. What happens with Loki and the other things the Avengers messed up while time traveling ? Nobody knows lets ignore them.
9. How the eff can someone return the Soul stone ? You just hand it to Red Skull and say "oops sorry it was a mistake i changed my mind. here take it and put it back!" BS.
10. 5 years have passed and Peter Parker still goes to school ? Yes time didnt pass for him but why was his fat friend there ? was he also dusted ? if not why the hell he is still in school ?
11. The all female heroes shot was forced as eff. Simply for the sake of existing and pleasing certain people.
12. Thor's depression/guilt/fat-phase thing was way overdone.
13. Why the eff did Gamorra disappear just like that ? Nobody knows. Probably because of reasons.

7- No, he wasn't "able to take it"... you saw the movie right? He didn't scream, but different people handle pain differently

8- An alternate timeline got f***ed up, but not the prime timeline... "Sorry other timelines!"

9- See above... maybe Cap didn't return it, or maybe there's an interesting scene between him and RS that we could see at some point

10- This one occurred to me too... the only explanation is that all his friends had to be dusted... schools would obviously have to accommodate the children who came back to life

11- Agreed that it was forced, I would've rather it was an Avengers 1 style tracking shot than a "Hey ladies let's all pose" moment... like y'all realize there's a war going on right?

12- Agreed again, if he had even turned back into badass Thor at the end I wouldn't have minded

13- Cuz she didn't know anybody and was unfamiliar with Earth/Terra... why would she have stayed??

But yeah, even with minor gripes, I'm still giving it a 9.7/10 as well, rounding up to a perfect 10

The other small thing I'll say
The Fortnite reference...
Is going to date this movie a bit, and in not that long... 10 years from now kids will see this movie and be like "What the hell game is that"
 
7- No, he wasn't "able to take it"... you saw the movie right? He didn't scream, but different people handle pain differently

8- An alternate timeline got f***ed up, but not the prime timeline... "Sorry other timelines!"

9- See above... maybe Cap didn't return it, or maybe there's an interesting scene between him and RS that we could see at some point

10- This one occurred to me too... the only explanation is that all his friends had to be dusted... schools would obviously have to accommodate the children who came back to life

11- Agreed that it was forced, I would've rather it was an Avengers 1 style tracking shot than a "Hey ladies let's all pose" moment... like y'all realize there's a war going on right?

12- Agreed again, if he had even turned back into badass Thor at the end I wouldn't have minded

13- Cuz she didn't know anybody and was unfamiliar with Earth/Terra... why would she have stayed??

But yeah, even with minor gripes, I'm still giving it a 9.7/10 as well, rounding up to a perfect 10

The other small thing I'll say
The Fortnite reference...
Is going to date this movie a bit, and in not that long... 10 years from now kids will see this movie and be like "What the hell game is that"

first the fortnite reference i didnt care about it personally

now back to my points.
7. He did seem to take it well prior to snapping. Hulk was in pain even having the glove on. Its convinient what it is.
8. Yeah probably right as they did say "you cant change the future by changing the past".
11. I dont like any excuse for anything that is forced. Find a way to not force it.
12. They didnt need to keep him as he was in IW. Just tone done the fat gag. They waaaaaay overdid it.
13. She did know her sister Nebula didnt she? And was clearly told she had a thing with Quill. It doesnt sit well with me.
 
I’m aware of all of that. I’m not sure you understand where I’m coming from.

There was a lot more to the story than the fallout of IW. Those two haven’t spoken since CW. Tony himself said in the last movie that he and Steve “fell out hard” and “[weren’t] on speaking terms.” They had a falling out that lasted for years. Their reconciliation was something EVERYONE was anticipating and it was almost completely glossed over. They didn’t discuss Bucky or the events surrounding him and his association with HYDRA once. So it’s all well and good that Tony was at a different point in his life, but that was a development that should’ve been given attention.

I don't think it needed anymore. Not everyone needs to have some kind of long, drawn out discussion when patching things up. Sometimes it just boils down to saying "I want to move on." I know when I patched things up with people, it was usually hug it out and done.
 
I don't think it needed anymore. Not everyone needs to have some kind of long, drawn out discussion when patching things up. Sometimes it just boils down to saying "I want to move on." I know when I patched things up with people, it was usually hug it out and done.

I think, once you get away from the initial pain and anger, you get to the point where holding onto the pain and anger is only hurting yourself, and I think that's how this was handled.
 
I don't think it needed anymore. Not everyone needs to have some kind of long, drawn out discussion when patching things up. Sometimes it just boils down to saying "I want to move on." I know when I patched things up with people, it was usually hug it out and done.

Not really interested in discussing it further (no offense), but the issue is that almost nothing at all was shown or done to get them to that point. We didn’t need to spend the entire second act on it, but what we did get was beyond insufficient.

But I am curious to see how you feel about
Steve going back in time to live with Peggy and the Captain America identity becoming a legacy title. I might be confusing you with someone else, but I think I remember you saying a few times that you’d hate it if Marvel went in those directions.
 
Not really interested in discussing it further (no offense), but the issue is that almost nothing at all was shown or done to get them to that point. We didn’t need to spend the entire second act on it, but what we did get was beyond insufficient.

But I am curious to see how you feel about
Steve going back in time to live with Peggy and the Captain America identity becoming a legacy title. I might be confusing you with someone else, but I think I remember you saying a few times that you’d hate it if Marvel went in those directions.

I do think that it is sort of fan ficy, but I'm not getting bent out of shape about it. It's not the ending I would have gone with, but at the same time it is good Cap got to have a happier ending. I do think killing him would have been a poor ending, so on that front I am glad that the writer's seem to share my opinion on that.
 
Personally, I'm not a big fan of legacy characters
that's a DC thing, Stan Lee always said "People don't care about the tights and the powers, they care about who's underneath"
I thought it worked well enough with Bucky in the comics because of the story that set it up, but Sam was weak, as were most other Marvel legacy characters I can think of
so that was part of the .3 I deducted from my rating lol
 
I had 0 problems with
the treatment of Thor and such, but even if I did, the entire last hour of this film would have made up for that. comic book bliss in every sense
 
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Hi Guys, new to this board. Was looking for a forum group to discuss this movie. I saw it twice and really liked it, but the more i think about it the more the flaws to me come out.

1. Capt Marvel seemed pretty useless. All this hype about her and she was barely in it and she barely did anything. Why didnt she just put on the gauntlet and do the snap? She could have absorbed the radiation seeing as her powers are directly made from a stone.

2. They butchered the Thor's character. We got such a great Thor in ragnarok and Infinity War and then got this terrible version of himself. He easily could have started the movie all fat and such but when he saw Thanos sitting there and he called both Stormbreaker and Mjolinr, he should have transformed back to his reel self and been ready for his revenge. Instead we got his beard braided.

3. Hulk was another useless character. i thought Professor Hulk was a cool character but that should have been the character in the Epilogue. We should have got a distraught Bruce still having issues with himself the whole movie and then When Nat dies, Hulk rages and finally comes back out. Could have got some awesome fight scenes with him and at the end of the movie he becomes at peace with himself and we get a professor Hulk. Instead we didnt get to see a single punch by hulk in the battle.

4. Why did Strange wait so long to come and help? We saw Linda call right away after the reverse snap. Why did Strange wait for the avengers to be bloodied up and almost done? How was that the only way? If they all would have come right away, it would have been all them vs Thanos along and they could have killed him really quick and saved alot of lives lol.


Other than those issues, i still really enjoyed the film.

Anyone else want to see Captain America 4: Returning the Stones? How awesome would it be to see Captain having to go to Asgard and inject jane Foster right after Rocket injects her. She has to be pretty pissed off lol. Or see him having to walk back into the elevator and hand the briefcase back and be like just kidding NOT Hydra lol. or we can see Cap watching Himself kick his own ass. Then we can see him go to return the Soul Stone and be all confused as to why Red Skull is there and definitely not want to give him the stone. Or standing over Nats body.

Speaking of, how did he return the soul stone? its a soul for a soul. Shouldnt he have got Natasha back once he returned the soul? Arent those the rules?
 
Speaking of, how did he return the soul stone? its a soul for a soul. Shouldnt he have got Natasha back once he returned the soul? Arent those the rules?

That could be interesting to see...if she is actually back from the return of the soul stone...
 
4. Why did Strange wait so long to come and help? We saw Linda call right away after the reverse snap. Why did Strange wait for the avengers to be bloodied up and almost done? How was that the only way? If they all would have come right away, it would have been all them vs Thanos along and they could have killed him really quick and saved alot of lives lol.

Should prob Spoiler tag your post, but on this one
I assume he was marshaling the forces, he got Wong to gather sorcerers, sent some to Wakanda, might've contacted Captain Marvel to let her know, and made a portal for the Guardians and Spidey... he knew what he had to do the moment he returned
 
The whole question of
why Gamora disappeared after the battle. Tony could have dusted her when he snapped. Seems a little unlikely since GotG 3 could focus on them searching for her, but still a possibility. Personally I think she just wants to have her own life: she doesn’t have a connection to the Guardians, didn’t seem to care very much about Quill, and could finally be the fiercest woman in the galaxy for once. I’m here for it: her on her own is personally more interesting to me.
 
Should prob Spoiler tag your post, but on this one
I assume he was marshaling the forces, he got Wong to gather sorcerers, sent some to Wakanda, might've contacted Captain Marvel to let her know, and made a portal for the Guardians and Spidey... he knew what he had to do the moment he returned
My take as well that’s why he asks
“that’s all you’ve got?” And Wong replied “you want more?” Something like that.
 
Tag spoilers, guys. WAY too many untagged spoilers in this forum. Y'all gotta be more careful. Help a mod out :)
I put that guy's post in spoiler tags....hope that helped you out.
 
Sorry guys. Brand new here, dont know how to hide my post in Spoiler Tags. Apologies.
 
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