Entertainment Quality

[liamoversion2]

It's not an excuse. It's a fact of life.

Find me a perfect movie. And X2 is not the oh-so-perfect movie people keep saying it is. There was the Jason/Proteus/Mastermind combo (mixing and matching characters! *Gasp*), William Stryker dying about three times (Wolverine stabs him, Cerebro targets him, he's pinned to a rampart for the water to take him), Deathstrike become a mindless drone with no lines and no connection to Wolverine, everyone is running around in the dam doing different things with different people, and Cyclops is absent most of the movie! Yet it is hailed as the best thing since the dishwasher.

You just have to accept that there are people who enjoy X3. That's all there is to it.

Singer could handle it though... I can't believe you're comparing X2 to X3... that's just pushing it...

 

[J.Howlett]

It is...

 

[X-Maniac]

Singer could handle it though... I can't believe you're comparing X2 to X3... that's just pushing it...

I wouldn't say I'm comparing them. But I enjoyed both of them, despite their imperfections.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Singer could handle it though... I can't believe you're comparing X2 to X3... that's just pushing it...

Uh oh, the apocalypse is upon us now...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

It wasn't bad. It just wasn't what you expected.

X3 is an action popcorn-flick. Like a good Schwarzenegger-movie. There's nothing wrong with that... only a lot of fans wanted pumped-up action AND good storytelling. X2 had the story. X3 has the action. Live with it.

So in fact you agree with the entire point he just made.

 

[liamoversion2]

Uh oh, the apocalypse is upon us now...

lol... damn right...

 

[danoyse]

So what you all are saying is...those who actually found this film entertaining are wrong?

Basically, that's what they're saying. Apparently, we're either not *true fans*, easily entertained, or unwilling to accept the fact that is was bad.

Or we may have just liked the movie.

I didn't enjoy Spider-man, am I wrong not to just love it to pieces? I found it tedious. Am I completely wrong? I thought Fantastic Four was a hoot. Am I wrong?

I loved Spiderman, but I thought Spiderman 2 dragged. I saw Fantastic Four on DVD not expecting much, but I really enjoyed it. Go figure.

How can people's opinions be wrong? How can an emotional response like enjoyment of a movie be wrong?

They can't. If you liked it, you liked it. If someone else can't accept the fact that you liked it, that's their problem.

Well, count me in the "not a true fan" category, for I enjoyed this film. I had fun. I was moved. Now I will go flail myself for not being torn up about plot holes and corny one liners.

Same here. I actually took a break from beating myself with a baseball bat because I realized life will go on after the demise of Cyclops, just to read this thread.

 

[The Kid]

but this movie would have been over if magneto picked up that bridge and droppped it on that facility. no crossing it. No riding it, just a bridge, some magnetism, and a good toss. done.

 

[Barry Allen]

I really enjoyed this movie while I was in the theater. It was fun to watch and cool to see some of my favorite X-characters back on the screen. X-3 was an entertaining film, but what it was not, was a quality film.
The things that make a good movie (content, character development, engaging screenplay, good story telling, etc) were sadly absent from this film.
The movie was bad. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. That doesn't mean it's not okay to watch.

Too true. I was extremely disappointed when I watched it the first time because what sold me on the other two were the character development and story.

I had to watch it a second time because I really didn't want to hate it. And I went in expecting a summer popcorn flick (even bought a bag and all )

Then it wasn't too bad.

 

[zanos]

Right...and killing SCOTT and XAIVER in the movie is not the same thing...give me a break. All 3 films shafted Xavier and Cyke. Quit acting like 3 was any different.

Well Scott's fate was decided long before X3 began production. Seeing as Cyclops was merely relegated to the role of foil for Wolverine what would you have the new writing team do? Is it their fault Singer is so bad at developing characters to the point where others don't feel like they serve any purpose in a sequel? Take a half second to think about that one and get back to me. I would think fans would be happy that they at least attempted to salvage the Xavier character by making him fairly active in this film compared to his previous stints where he was nothing more than a convenient plot device most of the time and not much more.

 

[zanos]

If it's just any other Movie, of course I'll walk in like any other people to get entertained. But it's not just any other Movie, it's a adaption of a existing and known story. So you go in and expect to see a adaption that is as faithful as possible to the source material, not to just see stuff blow up everywhere. But if they piss all over the story, then it's simply impossible to get any entertainment out of it.

Don't be ridiculous. It's a followup to the crappy 2 films that came before it. How good of an adaptation it is moot at this point.

 

[zanos]

Yes well said. It's really very unjust the way they pissed all over the Phoenix Saga and what not...

I mean I didn't expect much from it I suppose, but they didn't even characterize Jean properly. She was some nobody standing around in the background for most of it. If you're going to put her in the movie, at least give her a decent part...

I've never seen such a bad adaptation in my life... It was really dishonest to give the fans the finger like that... becaus that's basically what happened - they took a look at the ending of X2 and said 'ok, how can we make a third film and do as little as possible with Jean to keep the fans happy?' It's no secret the studio wasn't going for the Phoenix Saga...

I think it was Simon Kinberg who said in a recent interview something along the lines of 'it's hard to get a studio to do much other than good guys versus bad guys, so it was a challenge to get Phoenix into the movie at all.'

And the most frustrating thing is that they had two concepts into which they could have developed a mind blowing movie... but they did not capitalize on it... why wasn't Jean established as a threat to the entire world? Wasn't that how she was intitially described? Wouldn't that have made the issue of the cure much more pertinent? Wasn't that the damn point to begin with? Why wasn't the cure story tied into the Phoenix story properly? It's like they spliced together two completely different movies and had two totally separate resolutions for them... Why wasn't Jean's dark side explored? The extent of her abilities? Why not involve the government? Wouldn't that have made for some great exposition?

I personally would have liked a Phoenix versus everyone type of story but hey it's Fox and it's not like the previous films set some sort of high standard. They made a bunch of money but they're hardly classics.

 

[skruloos]

They made a bunch of money but they're hardly classics.

True. But X2 got quite good ratings on a lot of fronts, certainly much better than X3. You can like X3 all you want, from a filmmaking standpoint, X2 was simply better. But just because a movie is well made and critically acclaimed doesn't mean you need to like it. But quality seldom has anything to do with personal preference and enjoyment. I know people who love Ed Wood movies. Doesn't mean they're good, well made movies.

 

[The Kid]

but nightcrawler does this kool breakdancing move that takes down like three gaurds. that's classic alright.

 

[Backdrifter]

Yeah. Film is a hard thing to argue over. People may enjoy the film, but looking at it critically, it is deeply flawed with massive plot holes and suffers from extremely bad dialgoue, poor acting, underdeveloped ideas and characters. I still think people's allegiances to the films are distracting them from forming objective opinions.

 

[danoyse]

Yeah. Film is a hard thing to argue over. People may enjoy the film, but looking at it critically, it is deeply flawed with massive plot holes and suffers from extremely bad dialgoue, poor acting, underdeveloped ideas and characters. I still think people's allegiances to the films are distracting them from forming objective opinions.

No, that's still your opinion.

 

[Backdrifter]

No, that's still your opinion.

Right, bud. This coming from a guy with an X-Men avatar... Take a film analysis class. Besides, 55% of critics think the film is no good. You may not like critics, but it is something to consider. The film is bad. It has some exciting moments, but overall it is a bad film.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Uh oh, the apocalypse is upon us now...

He is?

 

[liamoversion2]

No, that's still your opinion.

Explain how that is opinion? I honestly think in this case that that's fact...


When is a plot hole not a plot hole?

 

[danoyse]

Right, bud. Take a film analysis class. Besides, 55% of critics think the film is no good. You may not like critics, but it is something to consider. The film is bad. It has some exciting moments, but overall it is a bad film.

LOL...I have a DEGREE. TV and FILM.

And we never studied superhero movies in class. We were way too snotty for that.

But for pure fun, suspension of disbelief, and enjoyment...we are certainly free to overlook the fact that these movies were never Shakespeare to begin with, and just have a good time watching them.

Which I did. Sue me.

And that is MY opinion. Which I'm more than entitled too, as well as you are entitled to yours. It's not the right opinion, it's not the wrong opinion, but it's my opinion. My diploma doesn't even factor into it.

Nothing is fact except than the title and people involved in it's making.

Oh, it's also a fact that I'm not a guy, so "bud" was incorrect as well.

 

[Backdrifter]

LOL...I have a DEGREE. TV and FILM.

And we never studied superhero movies in class. We were way too snotty for that.

But for pure fun, suspension of disbelief, and enjoyment...we are certainly free to overlook the fact that these movies were never Shakespeare to begin with, and just have a good time watching them.

Which I did. Sue me.

And that is MY opinion. Which I'm more than entitled too, as well as you are entitled to yours. It's not the right opinion, it's not the wrong opinion, but it's my opinion. My diploma doesn't even factor into it.

Nothing is fact except than the title and people involved in it's making.

Oh, it's also a fact that I'm not a guy, so "bud" was incorrect as well.

I have no respect for you if you have a degree in film and tv and you think X-Men is a good movie. Sorry. This argument is over. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

[danoyse]

I have no respect for you if you have a degree in film and tv and you think X-Men is a good movie. Sorry. This argument is over. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

LOL. I'll never recover.

I'm going off to cry now.

 

[liamoversion2]

LOL...I have a DEGREE. TV and FILM.

And we never studied superhero movies in class. We were way too snotty for that.

But for pure fun, suspension of disbelief, and enjoyment...we are certainly free to overlook the fact that these movies were never Shakespeare to begin with, and just have a good time watching them.

Which I did. Sue me.

And that is MY opinion. Which I'm more than entitled too, as well as you are entitled to yours. It's not the right opinion, it's not the wrong opinion, but it's my opinion. My diploma doesn't even factor into it.

Nothing is fact except than the title and people involved in it's making.

Oh, it's also a fact that I'm not a guy, so "bud" was incorrect as well.

I still think certain elements can't be subjective... What would you think if someone came up to you and said the dialogue in Catwoman was superb? Or that the screenplay for Gigli was great?

 

[sumwon12001]

Well Scott's fate was decided long before X3 began production.

haha...so true. let's face it, james marsden was just additional eye candy. no offense to his acting abilities but he was up against patrick stewart, ian mckellen, hugh jackman and famke janssen.....he was never meant to have a big leading role in this franchise.

 

[danoyse]

I still think certain elements can't be subjective... What would you think if someone came up to you and said the dialogue in Catwoman was superb? Or that the screenplay for Gigli was great?

I would beat them with my diploma.

No seriously...if they thought those movies were good, so be it. I don't get it, but it's not up to me to tell other people what's a good movie and what's a bad one. I can just offer an opinion.

It's a movie, not medical advice.