Episode #10-1: "Lazarus"

[Webhead2006]

I didn't think of that, actually.
See, from what I know about Darkseid, this misty form is probably because something knocked his power down several levels, and he's stuck in the dimensional barrier between Apokalpis, and Earth.

Waiting and growing in strength, until he can materialize as you said.
Perhaps he tried to fight Nekron? "DIE!"
(Nekron is the aspect of God's Death, or rather the ability to kill people by looking at them and saying die. Or touching them. He also created the Black Lanterns.)

Cause, uh, in the comics, Darkseid could show up on Earth any time he wanted to or just about. I mean, he worked at McDonalds one time, I don't think they have any on Apokalpis.
I mean, when he wasn't dealing with stuff on his home planet, he would go to Earth a lot.
And yes, I can't spell that name to save my life.

Also, Darkseid is a God, and one thing he suffers from is his power is given mostly by his followers. Kill all his followers dead and he'd rapidly lose his strength/invulnerability to the point where I could kill him.

The Our Worlds at War saga was interesting, because Wonder Woman needed his help, and his powers were so weakened, that she had to get more people to pray to him. To power him up again.

That is a logical thought on how darkseid is for the show. As for lex clones yea its totally easy to say maybe the truck lex was just one of the first clones and the clones didnt know that. So then thy could say lex is still out there, or it will likely be the little lex will age quickly and become the new lex.

 

[Hush]

I think the episode was good but it was really kinda just standard Smallville fair. Nothing TOO spectactular.

 

[BH/HHH]

I loved this episode

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

The blue looks darker as well..

Hard to tell but seeing as the capes been altered/changed, my guess is this isn't the exact suit Superman Returns used/Routh wore.. more just the same design.

It's the lighting.

They only took one suit.

When it's changing from crimson to a different tone of red from shot to shot, you know it depends on the lighting.

Sometimes SV oversaturates the shots with some filters. There are many scenes in the barn especially where the characters skintones even look orange.

It's the same Brandon Routh suit exactly. Different lighting.

The cape did look really similar to the warrior angel prop cape from previous episodes but it's too hard to tell.

SR's cape was CGI half the time but I remember it was made of a heavier material, leather like and rigid. Perhaps the WA cape folded into the box easier.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

i'm really enjoying the aspect that we really don't know if the real lex luthor is alive or dead.

They pretty much stated in the premiere that the real Lex is dead from the Truck bomb.

He will be brought to life again at some point, but for now he does seem to be dead.

All his projects are dead. He didn't intervene when Tess screwed his company over, merging with Oliver and then siding with RAO and the Kandorians.

He didn't interfere when there was a possible invasion by Clark's people last season.

He's dead.


I have a strong feeling Granny Goodness is responsible for using Cadmus to bring Tess back to life. The producers mentioned Tess would have a strange connection to Granny this year.

 

[B]

"The evil is you Kal-El, the greatest threat earth will face is coming, it prays on wavering souls like yours. Once this darkness comsumes you, you will be earth's greatest enemy."

"That's not my fate"

"You can not be a beacon of hope when you have darkness in your heart."

Maybe I've overlooked the whole Jor-El acting oddly, maybe they've just forgot about the fact Zod smashed up the console & it is a very obvious and frankly rather disappointing plot hole.

The more you hear the conversation, the more you get the impression it's a trial Jor-El is using to prepare Clark for the type of manipulation Darkseid uses..

**** I can't wait to see next weeks episode.

 

[stargazer]

Word.



Metropolis is brought to a pile of rubble every week on STAS etc.







The \S/ does look like the same color as the new cape on the other 2 scenes/gifs you've overlooked;

The blue looks darker as well..

Hard to tell but seeing as the capes been altered/changed, my guess is this isn't the exact suit Superman Returns used/Routh wore.. more just the same design.

It is BR's suit according to the producers,

MTV: Another question people wanted me to ask about is what went into the decision to use Brandon Routh's "Superman Returns" costume for "Smallville" instead of Christopher Reeve's suit, or an entirely new suit altogether.
SOUDERS: Well, the process was really a group effort. We worked with DC, and we have Alicia Louis, who does a lot of stuff for us at the studio, and who was really instrumental. It took quite a bit to get that costume. There’s a lot of sign-offs, it really was Warner Bros. and DC and us working to make it happen.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/24/smallville-season-10-characters-end/

 

[B]

It's the lighting.

When it's changing from crimson to a different tone of red from shot to shot, you know it depends on the lighting.

Sometimes SV oversaturates the shots with some filters. There are many scenes in the barn especially where the characters skintones even look orange.

I know all of this. In the shot of the suit with Lois you had the suit in a dark setting due to it being a night shot & therefore would more than likely have minimal filteration & lighting. These are the 2 shots in which the \S/ looks like its actually red & indeed the same color as the cape with the blue also looking visibly darker.

Then the shot of the suit with Clark, is much brighter as it is a daytime scene with an orangy filter to give the scene a warm'ish feel thus the look of the shield & cape appears to be a more orangy color.

Even in unfiltered shots of the Superman Returns suit that are scattered about the web, the suit, even in good clean lighting & unfiltered doesn't look like its red.. infact when you saturate any picture of the suit & Routh you'd make Routh look like a traffic cone color before you get the suit as red as the shots where with Lois. So what I'm saying is, if they'd overfiltered those shots in the way you've suggested Lois's skin color would have looked bizzarely orange.

They only took one suit.

It's the same Brandon Routh suit exactly. Different lighting.

Wheres it say they only took one suit? I must have missed that page.

The only thing I heard was that the suit was the same suit from the Superman Returns film, now is it the same suit in the same way the Toyota commercial was the same suit? ie remade to fit Bomer & a touch brighter..? Or is it the same suit in the respect that it is one of the spare suits left over from the actual film..? I'm inclined to think it could be something along the lines of the former.

It's only a prop at the moment so it doesn't particularly matter, however based on what I've seen of it I don't think its the exact suit that was used in the film.. just simply the same design (at least the top half), minus the cape.

The cape did look really similar to the warrior angel prop cape from previous episodes but it's too hard to tell.

SR's cape was CGI half the time but I remember it was made of a heavier material, leather like and rigid. Perhaps the WA cape folded into the box easier.

I doubt they'd have changed the capes material & color completely just for one shot.. they'd have just shown Lois find it/Clark store it somewhere else if the cape wouldn't fold into a small box.

 

[B]

It is BR's suit according to the producers,

MTV: Another question people wanted me to ask about is what went into the decision to use Brandon Routh's "Superman Returns" costume for "Smallville" instead of Christopher Reeve's suit, or an entirely new suit altogether.
SOUDERS: Well, the process was really a group effort. We worked with DC, and we have Alicia Louis, who does a lot of stuff for us at the studio, and who was really instrumental. It took quite a bit to get that costume. There’s a lot of sign-offs, it really was Warner Bros. and DC and us working to make it happen.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/24/smallville-season-10-characters-end/

No doubt I'm not disputing that it isn't, my question is; Is it the Superman Returns suit in the sense that it is physically one of the suits used/stored/made for Superman Returns/Brandon Routh or is it the same Superman Returns suit in the sense that it has been remade particularly for someone/something else because of how the colors appear.

 

[AgentPat]

The only thing I heard was that the suit was the same suit from the Superman Returns film, now is it the same suit in the same way the Toyota commercial was the same suit? ie remade to fit Bomer & a touch brighter..? Or is it the same suit in the respect that it is one of the spare suits left over from the actual film..?

From my understanding, it's the latter. The suit that is shown in Lazarus is from Warner's Superman prop archives and is one of the suits specifically made FOR Routh to wear in SR. BR may have even worn it. The suit's use in SV was merely as a prop. IF Welling is to wear the Superman costume by the end of SV - and we're all hopeful that he does - a new suit will have to be made for him. This goes beyond BR's suit being too small or too big for Welling. Actors do NOT wear costumes made for or worn by other actors. Ever. They have costumes made for them specifically. This is a strict union rule. Even if a character is supposed to wear another character's clothing within the fiction of the story, duplicate clothing must be created.

 

[Ultraman Nexus]

For one, I'm really glad it's a red cloth cape and not that brown plastic tarp Routh had. Also wether it's a trick of the light or cg or whatever, I think the way the colors look just in those brief shots are better looking than all of the over-muted Superman Returns. Whatever it is they should stick with it. Colors work!

Not only do I just think those colors are more right as Supermans colors but also in fairness to the shows own context they're more in line with the red and blue the Smallville version of Clark always wore before his Crow/Matrix outfit.

 

[epc11223]

They pretty much stated in the premiere that the real Lex is dead from the Truck bomb.

He will be brought to life again at some point, but for now he does seem to be dead.

All his projects are dead. He didn't intervene when Tess screwed his company over, merging with Oliver and then siding with RAO and the Kandorians.
He didn't interfere when there was a possible invasion by Clark's people last season.
He's dead.
I have a strong feeling Granny Goodness is responsible for using Cadmus to bring Tess back to life. The producers mentioned Tess would have a strange connection to Granny this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just one big swerve. The show is trying their best to get rosenbaum in some capacity. They may try to lineup the show where lex is under ground like superman 1 and then if it were to turn to a metropolis show lex can come out of hiding build up his rep and run for presidency like the vision in sacrifice. The clone said creator, not original. I think that's key and in smallville, anything can really happen and they're going to try to line up smallville with superman 1 in a semi way.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

It is BR's suit according to the producers,

MTV: Another question people wanted me to ask about is what went into the decision to use Brandon Routh's "Superman Returns" costume for "Smallville" instead of Christopher Reeve's suit, or an entirely new suit altogether.
SOUDERS: Well, the process was really a group effort. We worked with DC, and we have Alicia Louis, who does a lot of stuff for us at the studio, and who was really instrumental. It took quite a bit to get that costume. There’s a lot of sign-offs, it really was Warner Bros. and DC and us working to make it happen.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/24/smallville-season-10-characters-end/

She just didn't answer the "why" part behind that question at all.

 

[Steyin]

They pretty much stated in the premiere that the real Lex is dead from the Truck bomb.

He will be brought to life again at some point, but for now he does seem to be dead.

All his projects are dead. He didn't intervene when Tess screwed his company over, merging with Oliver and then siding with RAO and the Kandorians.

He didn't interfere when there was a possible invasion by Clark's people last season.

He's dead.

Well, since Clark was at the intermediate zone between life and death, as was Lex if that was him running around, then I'd say the real Lex is half dead somewhere waiting to be revived; at least that's how I interpret it from the episode.

I'd also like to know who exactly is running Cadmus and who brought Tess there....Granny and Darkseid's minions utilizing the facility maybe? Guess we'll see.

 

[SpideyVille]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just one big swerve. The show is trying their best to get rosenbaum in some capacity. They may try to lineup the show where lex is under ground like superman 1 and then if it were to turn to a metropolis show lex can come out of hiding build up his rep and run for presidency like the vision in sacrifice. The clone said creator, not original. I think that's key and in smallville, anything can really happen and they're going to try to line up smallville with superman 1 in a semi way.

I doubt they are going to do a Metropolis show at this point, especially if Rosenbaum doesn't even want to come back for one episode in this series.

I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot in season 8 when they did the whole Lex arc during Lana's return. It started off cool when they showed he was still alive but barely. You can tell that they were leaving the door open for a return, but then they killed him off so quickly that now we know he will come back, but they have to do something crazy to explain it.

Well, since Clark was at the intermediate zone between life and death, as was Lex if that was him running around, then I'd say the real Lex is half dead somewhere waiting to be revived; at least that's how I interpret it from the episode.

Yea I thought they were going to try to say Lex escaped the Dead Zone just like Clark did jjust by the way that it looked like he zapped out somewhere just before Clark came back. But there were no other hints at that so I doubt they're going to go that route.

 

[epc11223]

I doubt they are going to do a Metropolis show at this point, especially if Rosenbaum doesn't even want to come back for one episode in this series.

I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot in season 8 when they did the whole Lex arc during Lana's return. It started off cool when they showed he was still alive but barely. You can tell that they were leaving the door open for a return, but then they killed him off so quickly that now we know he will come back, but they have to do something crazy to explain it.


Yea I thought they were going to try to say Lex escaped the Dead Zone just like Clark did jjust by the way that it looked like he zapped out somewhere just before Clark came back. But there were no other hints at that so I doubt they're going to go that route.

just want to clarify that I don't think it's going to become a metropolis show but have the show line itself up if there could be. Going to line up a bit to superman 1 where lex was underground and in hiding.

 

[annie.j88]

She just didn't answer the "why" part behind that question at all.

haha exactly what i was thinking

 

[lespaul59]

I thought the episode was great and my favorite premier of the year. Well it might be tied with NCIS but I did like it better than Bones and I would rank Supernatural fourth out of the shows I really watch during the fall.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Think I got it. Maybe this has been said before, if so I missed it....but I think Tess is going to be Lex's sister. It would make sense why he gave her the company, something very uncharacteristic of Lex. It would also explain why a tissue sample from one of his clones would work in healing her. As brother and sister they would have the same DNA. Discuss......

 

[Dr Lee]

interesting theory...

 

[Kii]

Think I got it. Maybe this has been said before, if so I missed it....but I think Tess is going to be Lex's sister. It would make sense why he gave her the company, something very uncharacteristic of Lex. It would also explain why a tissue sample from one of his clones would work in healing her. As brother and sister they would have the same DNA. Discuss......

Not be pedantic, but only identical twins share the same DNA. Regular siblings(same mom, same dad) however do share a large amount of genetic material.

 

[SpideyVille]

It that were the case, they would be retconning the whole series because there's never been any mention of her. It would have to be another Lucas Luthor thing, only with a much bigger stretch of the imagination.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Not be pedantic, but only identical twins share the same DNA. Regular siblings(same mom, same dad) however do share a large amount of genetic material.

Yeah that is basically what I meant. The DNA would be strong enough for this type of procedure. It's like when a sibling gives a kidney, they are always the closets match.

It that were the case, they would be retconning the whole series because there's never been any mention of her. It would have to be another Lucas Luthor thing, only with a much bigger stretch of the imagination.

Not really. Who is to say that Lionel doesn't have another skeleton in that dark closet? Perhaps Lex's mother actually gave birth to twins and hid her away? Maybe he just had some torrid affair? Wouldn't it be logical to say that Lex simply found out about her when he took over the company/found out all that was inside papa's bag? If anything I think this works perfectly for the kind of stories they tell. Not to mention that there has been talk of Lionel making a guest appearance this season....

 

[SpideyVille]

Not really. Who is to say that Lionel doesn't have another skeleton in that dark closet? Perhaps Lex's mother actually gave birth to twins and hid her away? Maybe he just had some torrid affair? Wouldn't it be logical to say that Lex simply found out about her when he took over the company/found out all that was inside papa's bag? If anything I think this works perfectly for the kind of stories they tell. Not to mention that there has been talk of Lionel making a guest appearance this season....

Don't get me wrong, I strongly beleive that there's a strong connection between Lex and Tess that goes way past just trusting her as his successor. I think there definitely the possibility that they are related somehow, whether she be a female clone of him or of his mother or something. It's just that if that's the case, they would be changing the past since up to this point, there hasn't been anything to suggest that that's the case. Then again, there's a ton of stuff that has happened in off-screenville that we may have never heard about, and it wouldn't be the first time thatthey've done something like this.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Don't get me wrong, I strongly beleive that there's a strong connection between Lex and Tess that goes way past just trusting her as his successor. I think there definitely the possibility that they are related somehow, whether she be a female clone of him or of his mother or something. It's just that if that's the case, they would be changing the past since up to this point, there hasn't been anything to suggest that that's the case. Then again, there's a ton of stuff that has happened in off-screenville that we may have never heard about, and it wouldn't be the first time thatthey've done something like this.

Exactly.

Personally, be it sister, clone, or Lucas with a sex change, I will be more than excited to watch and learn more. While there is a lot of complaining from some fans, I LOVE every square inch of this show. In my opinion they have best brought to life, and captured realism in this complete Sci-Fi, fantasy genre. They have given so many plot twists filled with elaborate explanation that I can't ask for more. I have been glued to my TV for ten years and can't wait to see how this all plays out. I am at this very moment giggling like a school girl with excitement.