Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Every hero needs an archnemesis

[babykhris]

How about ZODIAC....It's been mentioned in the One Shot.

 

[Shakel92]

How about ZODIAC....It's been mentioned in the One Shot.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

I don't remember where I saw it, but I'm under the impression that the first episode or two may actually occur *before* the one-shot. The rest of the episodes then focus in on the ZODIAC threat and how they stop it.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, Zodiac is an apparently original threat. That doesn't make for a very fun discussion, now does it?

 

[regnak]

Well, Zodiac is an apparently original threat. That doesn't make for a very fun discussion, now does it?

No it is from the comics:


http://marvel.com/universe/Zodiac_(Cartel)

 

[Mike Murdock]

OK, I stand corrected. In that case, I strongly suspect that'll be the villain this season.

 

[Uskok]

A slightly different Zodiac (something a la Cabal from Avengers Assemble in compare to the Cabal from the comics) led by Baron Heinrich Zemo would be nice. He appears in the tie-in video game Captain America: Super Soldier and you can see his name on one of the concept artworks for Captain America: The Winter Soldier (http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140310201107/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/2/2e/Catws6.jpg top left corner) so it's quite possible he exists in the official Marvel Cinematic Universe, though we haven't seen him yet.

 

[chamber-music]

I think the Kraken would make a interesting villain
http://marvel.wikia.com/Daniel_Whitehall_(Earth-616)

 

[Six]

He's going to be the villain on season 2 of AoS.

 

[Lilbaz]

Agree with Zodiac. But do we need to use any comic characters? Most would be unfamiliar to the audience and even some comic fans. We are not expecting Punisher or Doc Doom to pop up so why not just write from a blank slate. Concentrate on the story and characters that fit with that. Plant a few seeds, that if they are popular enough you might see the effects of in AOS/ Defenders or even the films. This is a chance to expand the universe. Chuck in one or 2 villains from the comics but don't try and shoehorn them in.

 

[Mike Murdock]

People like comicbook characters in a comicbook show. Doing their own thing was the main criticism of Agents of SHIELD. Using little known characters gives them more flexibility to have a fresh slate, but name dropping things that people are vaguely familiar with make it stand out as something that's not just a period show but a Marvel period show.

Don't get me wrong, I agree they should branch out too, but there's no reason they can't do both, even in eight episodes.

 

[Six]

Plus, there are characters that would never be able to make it into a Marvel movie on their own, or characters that are tied too much to the past, that it would make sense for them to appear

 

[fixxxer]

People like comicbook characters in a comicbook show. Doing their own thing was the main criticism of Agents of SHIELD. Using little known characters gives them more flexibility to have a fresh slate, but name dropping things that people are vaguely familiar with make it stand out as something that's not just a period show but a Marvel period show.

Don't get me wrong, I agree they should branch out too, but there's no reason they can't do both, even in eight episodes.

Agree with most of this. I have absolutely no problem with the show's creators coming up with stuff on their own and/or changing things up from the comic books. However, they better have a good reason. Agents Of SHIELD, for the most part, just didn't. The comics are a treasure trove of fun, interesting, compelling plots and characters. Why throw most of that away if you aren't replacing it with something (at least) equally fun, interesting and compelling?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, I think the show started off with uncertainty with how much flexibility it could use. It only added Graviton through luck (they wanted a scientist and asked Marvel to let them use him).

But, ultimately, they had a solid list. You can definitely see they picked up the pace as time went on:
3. The Asset - Graviton
7. The Hub - The Overkill Device, Victoria Hand
12. Seeds - Blizzard
13. Deathlok
14. TAHITI - John Garrett, Kree
15. Yes Men - Lorelei
18. Providence - Eric Koenig, Glen Talbot
19. The Only Light in Darkness - Blackout
22. Beginning of the End - John Garrett's cybernetic body

Since there are only eight episodes of Agent Carter, you'll need fewer things. IMO, two or three elements are all that's needed.

 

[Lilbaz]

People like comicbook characters in a comicbook show. Doing their own thing was the main criticism of Agents of SHIELD. Using little known characters gives them more flexibility to have a fresh slate, but name dropping things that people are vaguely familiar with make it stand out as something that's not just a period show but a Marvel period show.

Don't get me wrong, I agree they should branch out too, but there's no reason they can't do both, even in eight episodes.

Agree with AOS, but people expected to see some comic book characters they were familiar with popping up. I'm not really familiar with any comic book characters that were around just after ww2 and I'm sure that the vast majority of the audience would be the same as me. We wouldn't really know whether they are cannon or totally new and it wouldn't matter as long as they were interesting and the story's were good.
Don't get me wrong they need to cater for the comic book buffs and be true to the comics, but they also have an opportunity to expand.

Could anyone give a list of a few heroes/villains that were about at this time? Could they use the Human Torch, that would really freak Fox if they could.

Found one.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Category:WWII_Characters

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

After the mention of Stark's weaponry being a plot point, I'm wondering whether we will see any hints/signs of Ultron a couple months before the movie comes out.

 

[Six]

I doubt we'll see any references to Ultron. He's not even a twinkle in the eye of Hank Pym, who himself isn't even a twinkle in the eye of his father.

 

[Dasher10]

I still maintain that we'll see Heinrich Zemo. Mostly to set up Helmut Zemo for Civil War.

 

[chamber-music]

So I'm guessing the big bad are these guys
http://marvel.wikia.com/Leviathan_(Earth-616)

 

[Mike Murdock]

Unless it's a red herring, yes. Leviathan almost certainly refers to that Leviathan.

 

[Loki882]

The true mastermind is, Lyndsey Fonseca. Her "perky waitress" routine is just an act, we all know it.

 

[kedrell]

I think we ended up with a great nemesis in Bridget Regan's Dottie Underwood/Proto-Black Widow.

 

[falconcrest87]

I think we ended up with a great nemesis in Bridget Regan's Dottie Underwood/Proto-Black Widow.

I agree. I think that could really get deep really quick. We all know Dottie crazy. And she wants to be Peggy. I love the fact she let her crazy shine through during the fight scene. For all of Dottie's talent and skill as a killer, she will never be a boss hog like Peggy.

Ooh there could even be a whole meta feminist thing on whether a woman's best assest is her body or her mind. Also throw in some allegories to the Cold War and parralels between Peggy/Dottie and CA/TWS. Is it better for soldiers to follow orders or to make decisions on their own? Oh god the nerdgasm!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think we ended up with a great nemesis in Bridget Regan's Dottie Underwood/Proto-Black Widow.

She really is crazy fantastic. Plus, she knows how to knock another woman out.

 

[Uskok]

I agree. I think that could really get deep really quick. We all know Dottie crazy. And she wants to be Peggy. I love the fact she let her crazy shine through during the fight scene. For all of Dottie's talent and skill as a killer, she will never be a boss hog like Peggy.

Ooh there could even be a whole meta feminist thing on whether a woman's best assest is her body or her mind. Also throw in some allegories to the Cold War and parralels between Peggy/Dottie and CA/TWS. Is it better for soldiers to follow orders or to make decisions on their own? Oh god the nerdgasm!

She doesn't want to be Peggy anymore.

"I used to be so jealous of girls like you. I would have done anything to walk like you, to talk like you. But now... I can be anybody I want."