Evolution is a lie

[The Overlord]

Thanks dear.

So you aren't going to address my point about virsuses and evolution, you accept any evidence that contradicts your views? If that's the case, then why did bother posting this thread if your not going to debate your ideas and just ignore reality when it contradicts your view point?

 

[Abaddon]

The Qur'an's final two surahs reinforce my statements. This is the ultimate confession: Qur'an 113.1 “Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn from the mischief of the evil He created.”

God created everything. Evil exists. God created evil. Duh!

 

[vibeke_T]

the bible says that God did not create evil...that evil is a twisting of God's perfect creation.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Debunk? No.

I just don't see any proof that what the bible claims is true. And those who believe it haven't convinced me.

I don't see a reason to believe in any god-claim.

And that picture is loaded with claims of something being blatantly wrong(hence a claim of debunking something)that had nothing to back it up other than sarcastic, asinine comments, and putting lack of belief on the same level of proof of somethings inaccuracy.

 

[Abaddon]

the bible says that God did not create evil...that evil is a twisting of God's perfect creation.

And apparently he sat back and allowed the twisting.

 

[VenomFang]

And apparently he sat back and allowed the twisting.

God wants volentary love. So He must allow us to obey or disobey. We chose to disobey sadly.

But God in His infinite goodness gave us a way back to the way things were intended.

Just as by one man sin spread to all mankind (Adam), by one man salvation is offered to all men (Jesus) o and women too of course!

 

[vibeke_T]

And apparently he sat back and allowed the twisting.

not "sat" back...but he allowed it...you should read...The Silmarillion it explains the whole concept in a secular manner...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

How about I link you to a video of people being wrapped in cloth then stones hurled at them untill they die as public execution is an Islamic country?

Or a video of how as a religious practise they slice open their heads and pat the wound so blood pours out while they can satanicly? It's so disgusting, you need to prove you are 18+ just to view it!

Or how about fanatic muslims cutting off someones head?

Or a muslim priest kissing an underage boy on the mouth?

LOL executing people by stoning them is the Bible there VF, you sure you're aquainted with it?

chant satanicly? LMAO

hey guys, picture this, people gather in a cript, and it looks all satanic and this man stands before them all satanic and stuff, and then he recites some prayers all satanic like!!!!! OMFG is just described a catholic mass but added satanic every other word to make it seem evil

god my eyes do not rollback far enough.

 

[VenomFang]

So you aren't going to address my point about virsuses and evolution, you accept any evidence that contradicts your views? If that's the case, then why did bother posting this thread if your not going to debate your ideas and just ignore reality when it contradicts your view point?

Virus' do not 'evolve.' They adapt, just like a salt water alligator to a fresh water alligator. When it is exposed to a new environment, by it's very design it adapts to become more suited to it's environment. This is not an introduction of new information, but merely it's very design.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Venom Fang has to be joking..........

NO ONE is this blind to reality.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

the bible says that God did not create evil...that evil is a twisting of God's perfect creation.

god created everything, god allows evil to exist, and god has to have foreseen thsi twisting of his creation, and he could've taken steps to prevent it.
god created everything, therefore god created evil.

 

[muertevilla]

no, that's not true, because by that logic we'd have the same skeletal structures as well, and an intelligent design would leave no vestigial organs, so, no sorry, you need to read more.

i agree. if god is a supreme perfect being and the creator, then why is there chronic back problems with all sorts of people. if our design is flawed then the designer miscalculated (miscalculation does not seem a likely trait of a perfect being). the arguments you make, venom have been defended for hundreds of years, but the counter-arguments have also held up for that same amount of time...i honestly doubt this thread will ever come to some sort of means to an end. but god damn is it entertaining.

 

[Abaddon]

My point is that God(according to the Bible) invited sin. He had no interest in creating perfect creatures, and he seems to want people to meet his standards in spite of the fact that he basically built them to fail.

 

[VenomFang]

LOL executing people by stoning them is the Bible there VF, you sure you're aquainted with it?

god my eyes do not rollback far enough.

Ah, but Jesus put an end to all this, and the stoning was in extremely rare cases. I believe it was documented everytime it happened in the Old Testiment, which was less than 5 occassions in history. The muslims do this regularly. Big difference.

Not to mention, once Jesus came, all that was put to an end. Now we are under grace, and we are called to forgive and repent, not kill.

 

[vibeke_T]

god created everything, god allows evil to exist, and god has to have foreseen thsi twisting of his creation, and he could've taken steps to prevent it.
god created everything, therefore god created evil.

thats what i said...though he didnt "Create" evil...evil is subcreated...anyway...

 

[Abaddon]

god created everything, god allows evil to exist, and god has to have foreseen thsi twisting of his creation, and he could've taken steps to prevent it.
god created everything, therefore god created evil.

they're not listening.

 

[VenomFang]

i agree. if god is a supreme perfect being and the creator, then why is there chronic back problems with all sorts of people. if our design is flawed then the designer miscalculated (miscalculation does not seem a likely trait of a perfect being). the arguments you make, venom have been defended for hundreds of years, but the counter-arguments have also held up for that same amount of time...i honestly doubt this thread will ever come to some sort of means to an end. but god damn is it entertaining.

Sin has destroyed literally all of nature. Everything is perverted and dying. The design was PERFECT.

If I bought a new car, and took it out of the dealership and crashed it, then brought it back and said "why did you sell me a broken car"

The dealership would kick me out and tell me they gave it to me in perfect condition. Humanity ruined the world by sin.

 

[Danger Mouse]

VenomFang, the correct translation of Chapter 113 of the Quran:

[113:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[113:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak.
[113:2] "From the evils among His creations.
[113:3] "From the evils of darkness as it falls.
[113:4] "From the evils of the troublemakers.
[113:5] "From the evils of the envious when they envy."

It's a prayer that simply says, "Dear God, please protect me from the evils among men ['His creations' here is referred to humankind], from the evils of darkness, from the evils of troublemakers, and from the evils of the envious when they envy."

Where in God's good Earth did you come up with the satanic part?

You wanna preach, by all means preach. You start such inflammatory comments against a religion, ANY religion, and you're outta here. I'm sure many non-Christians have an unpleasant thing or two to say about Christianity as well, but SHH does not in any circumstances advocate such flaming.

So, cut it out.

 

[VenomFang]

My point is that God(according to the Bible) invited sin. He had no interest in creating perfect creatures, and he seems to want people to meet his standards in spite of the fact that he basically built them to fail.

God had NOTHING to do with sin. God has 0 sin.

God gave us the choice of obeying Him, or disobeying Him. We chose to disobey. Free will gives us both choices, and it just so happened we chose very poorly. Even so, God is ready to forgive us and fix it all back.

 

[Goddessreicho]

The Qur'an's final two surahs reinforce my statements. This is the ultimate confession: Qur'an 113.1 “Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn from the mischief of the evil He created.” Islam's dark spirit—the Morning Star, the Prince of Darkness—created the mischief of evil. By admitting it this blatantly, Lucifer has insulted our intelligence and declared that he inspired Muhammad. Qur'an 113.3 “From the mischievous evil of Darkness as it becomes intensely dark, and from the mischief of those who practice the evil of malignant witchcraft and blowing on knots, and from the mischievous evil of the envier when he covets.” I was taught that it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Muhammad is indicting his own behavior. He did the very things he claimed were demonic.

And so did Constitine and most of the leaders who attened the meeting in Nycea. (Sorry for the misspellings its late)

What about the Nag Hammani texts, or the Protestant Reformation or The Inqustion?

Oh, you never answered my question before about the genocide in the name of God, done by man? or the forced assimalations of cultures? What about the burning of the Mayan text that should advanced math techiques that had never before been practiced at that time?

 

[Abaddon]

God had NOTHING to do with sin. God has 0 sin.

God gave us the choice of obeying Him, or disobeying Him. We chose to disobey. Free will gives us both choices, and it just so happened we chose very poorly. Even so, God is ready to forgive us and fix it all back.

Once again, God is creator of all things. Sin is among them.

Unless we chose to disobey again. We just don't seem to get it.

 

[VenomFang]

And so did Constitine and most of the leaders who attened the meeting in Nycea. (Sorry for the misspellings its late)

What about the Nag Hammani texts, or the Protestant Reformation or The Inqustion?

Oh, you never answered my question before about the genocide in the name of God, done by man? or the forced assimalations of cultures? What about the burning of the Mayan text that should advanced math techiques that had never before been practiced at that time?

All I can say is, do you really want to blame me for things other people did? God says in His word, every man shall be put to death for his own sins.

I didn't burn the mayan text's.

 

[VenomFang]

Once again, God is creator of all things. Sin is among them.

Unless we chose to disobey again. We just don't seem to get it.

Sin isn't a creation in the sense that you and I are.

Sin is the result of an action, it is the lack of truth, a perversion of God's truth.

Love was the perfect design. By sin it became lust. That doesn't mean lust is a creation, it's merely the death of the perfect design. God had nothing to do with lust, He created love, and we ruined it.

 

[vibeke_T]

Sin isn't a creation in the sense that you and I are.

Sin is the result of an action, it is the lack of truth, a perversion of God's truth.

Love was the perfect design. By sin it became lust. That doesn't mean lust is a creation, it's merely the death of the perfect design. God had nothing to do with lust, He created love, and we ruined it.

woah! check pm

 

[Goddessreicho]

All I can say is, do you really want to blame me for things other people did? God says in His word, every man shall be put to death for his own sins.

I didn't burn the mayan text's.

You see they were burned in the NAME OF GOD! So according to your words earlier, that all things under God in the name of God, done for His bidding, is right and just in His name...

Somthing doesn't add up.