Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 34

[Farren]

This is really unbelievable, I thought that this could happen, but I honestly never thought it would go like this. Having that Deadpool entrance was excellent for Deadpool, but man, what an anticlimactic moment for the Fantastic Four.

Kinds of makes me wonder if Fox wanted people to instantly forget about the FF panel. They had to know this would play out like this if they did FF then Deadpool.

 

[YourFewcha]

No, but I thought maybe they held something fantastic back. Some negative zone creatures or something that would make it vaguely worthy of the name. Not just the boring crap we've already been seeing.

fair enough

 

[Kelly]

i'm confused, you guys actually thought you were gonna get a faithful adaptation of 616 fantastic 4 all the way until this point?

No, I thought maybe we were at the least going to get a UFF adaptation.

I don't know what the hell we got.

But, one thing I do know.

They did absolutely NOTHING for themselves at Comic Con. Zilch.

 

[RAE072]

No, but I thought maybe they held something fantastic back. Some negative zone creatures or something that would make it vaguely worthy of the name. Not just the boring crap we've already been seeing.

Yeah, it'd have been great if anything at all about this ****ing thing looked at all fantastic.

Instead we get grim, gritty, and realistic.

The Realistic Four.

 

[RAE072]

That Boxoffice.com Twitter Pos:Neg thing jumped from 1:1 for two days to 3:1.

Deadpool jumped from 18:1 to 26:1

http://pro.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/the-fantastic-four-2015

Every silver lining, eh what?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

i'm confused, you guys actually thought you were gonna get a faithful adaptation of 616 fantastic 4 all the way until this point?

I get you. I mean if you haven't liked anything up until this point it was a fair certainty that nothing new would change that opinion.

 

[Kelly]

Kinds of makes me wonder if Fox wanted people to instantly forget about the FF panel. They had to know this would play out like this if they did FF then Deadpool.

I don't know, but that had very little (that I could tell) for them to do at Comic Con. Maybe some of the interviews will come online tomorrow, I don't know, but there was very little shown of them today.

Usually you get tons of pics from fans taking pictures, there was so little.

Maybe the official F4 site and F4 twitter feed just did a poor job of covering them, I don't know.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm in shock, there was so little on twitter it was unbelievable. I was following Fantastic Four, B v S and Supergirl. I could not keep up with B v S or Supergirl, but F4 was so slow, very few interviews, no one taking pics, nothing. It was crazy...

I don't think anyone on stage really wanted to be there and I don't think the crowd was particularly interested. It just seemed like people going through the motions and that makes a pretty stark contrast when put up against film-makers and audiences who are honestly excited.

 

[Farren]

Yeah, it'd have been great if anything at all about this ****ing thing looked at all fantastic.

Instead we get grim, gritty, and realistic.

The Realistic Four.

Trank and Kinberg seem to think that the only way to relate to these characters is if they are "realistic" and "grounded." But Stan's characters never needed those things for people to relate to them (something Marvel characters are actually known for).

 

[Dasher10]

Yeah, it'd have been great if anything at all about this ****ing thing looked at all fantastic.

Instead we get grim, gritty, and realistic.

The Realistic Four.

That's hardly a bad thing, it's all in the execution and honestly, it sounds like Josh Trank dripped the ball and squandered a good cast.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

This production does feel like something from the mid-2000's when studios were so embarrassed by the source materiel they wanted everything in black leather.

 

[RAE072]

I don't think anyone on stage really wanted to be there and I don't think the crowd was particularly interested. It just seemed like people going through the motions and that makes a pretty stark contrast when put up against film-makers and audiences who are honestly excited.

"They weren't my characters."

-Josh Trank

Trank and Kinberg seem to think that the only way to relate to these characters is if they are "realistic" and "grounded." But Stan's characters never needed those things for people to relate to them (something Marvel characters are actually known for).

Yep.

There's no magic here. Just a desperate, spiteful cash grab rights retention.

That's hardly a bad thing, it's all in the execution and honestly, it sounds like Josh Trank dripped the ball and squandered a good cast.

It's very much a bad thing. Certain characters lend themselves to grim/gritty/realistic very well and certain characters don't.

Batman does. Daredevil does. Punisher does.

Fantastic Four does not.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Are we getting a new trailer?

 

[RAE072]

Are we getting a new trailer?

Either tomorrow or monday.

I'll be very surprised if it's released tonight.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

No, I thought maybe we were at the least going to get a UFF adaptation.

I don't know what the hell we got.

But, one thing I do know.

They did absolutely NOTHING for themselves at Comic Con. Zilch.

Yep.

THIS was UFF and I would be excited about something like this:

This film doesn't seem to take many great elements from either 616 or UFF.

As I've said many times, I'm not a fan of UFF, but I would love a UFF film compared to what we're getting.

 

[Dasher10]

Trank and Kinberg seem to think that the only way to relate to these characters is if they are "realistic" and "grounded." But Stan's characters never needed those things for people to relate to them (something Marvel characters are actually known for).

Marvel characters have always been grounded. Or more accurately, they're grounded in real human emotion which was simply how Stan Lee wrote. If you believe in the characters, you can believe that radiation can give somebody echolocation or turn you into a rage beast or that a man can shoot lasers from his eyes or there can be a city in the Himalayas which exists for all of one day every 13 years. That's how the Marvel U has always been. The problem is Trank tried to ground the unrealistic elements by downplaying them and cutting their screen time so he could waste the first half setting up the origin instead of actually giving us the Negative Zone.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Either tomorrow or monday.

I'll be very surprised if it's released tonight.

Thanks.

Do we have a description of the new trailer yet?

 

[Dasher10]

This production does feel like something from the mid-2000's when studios were so embarrassed by the source materiel they wanted everything in black leather.

And yet Fox aren't scared to go full comic book with X-Men or Deadpool. The costumes were always atrocious. This is going to be like TASM all over again where Sony decided to make Peter too much of a jerk to like, isn't it?

 

[Sithborg]

Thanks.

Do we have a description of the new trailer yet?

Here's a brief descrption:

I wasn’t expecting this to be so much about cosmic science fiction but that aspect seems kind of interesting. Obviously it’s a trailer. Excitement and so on. Yes, you’ve seen all the beats the trailer hits, and it even spoils the film’s wham line. But I can’t help but forgive it any time Michael B. Jordan is on screen.

 

[Eddie]

Thanks.

Do we have a description of the new trailer yet?

Some vague ones. We see Reed as a kid in school, more Doom (sounds like his look is pretty much the leaked stuff from way back plus the weird glowing effects we've seen in the recent spot), and something about the team walking through weird magma.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Here's a brief descrption:

I wasn’t expecting this to be so much about cosmic science fiction but that aspect seems kind of interesting. Obviously it’s a trailer. Excitement and so on. Yes, you’ve seen all the beats the trailer hits, and it even spoils the film’s wham line. But I can’t help but forgive it any time Michael B. Jordan is on screen.

 

[Kelly]

I don't think anyone on stage really wanted to be there and I don't think the crowd was particularly interested. It just seemed like people going through the motions and that makes a pretty stark contrast when put up against film-makers and audiences who are honestly excited.

This was the last chance to really put something on here that people could get excited about, that there possibly was "something" that I would find that you guys could grab hold of...

As the moderator of this forum I should have been more upbeat, more positive, but I honestly couldn't find anything to be upbeat or positive about...and that totally goes against who I am. So I was sooooo hoping that I would find something today from SDCC that could be that positive upbeat last minute effort to get some excitement going.

I don't know what else to say....

 

[Farren]

This production does feel like something from the mid-2000's when studios were so embarrassed by the source materiel they wanted everything in black leather.

I agree. This feels like Fox is regressing.

I don't have an issue with a supherhero adaptation that wants to take a broad interpretation. Now that Marvel has shown the value in sticking close to the feel of the source material and the characters, I'm open to change if a filmmaker/studio has genuine creative reasons for it -- if they think there's artistic value in doing something different from the source material. I actually like changes. It gives me something original. But the way everyone involved with this movie just seems so ... embarrassed by its source material (except for maybe Kebbel who seems to feel bad for the fans).

It just seems like Fox probably set a bad tone on this one from the top down. Maybe Trank had some interesting original ideas, but Fox probably only wanted him because his plan was cheap and because with the return of Singer they're regressing to their old ways.

Marvel characters have always been grounded. Or more accurately, they're grounded in real human emotion which was simply how Stan Lee wrote. If you believe in the characters, you can believe that radiation can give somebody echolocation or turn you into a rage beast or that a man can shoot lasers from his eyes or there can be a city in the Himalayas which exists for all of one day every 13 years. That's how the Marvel U has always been. The problem is Trank tried to ground the unrealistic elements by downplaying them and cutting their screen time so he could waste the first half setting up the origin instead of actually giving us the Negative Zone.

Yes, exactly! You put it better than me.

 

[RAE072]

Here's a brief descrption:

I wasn’t expecting this to be so much about cosmic science fiction but that aspect seems kind of interesting. Obviously it’s a trailer. Excitement and so on. Yes, you’ve seen all the beats the trailer hits, and it even spoils the film’s wham line. But I can’t help but forgive it any time Michael B. Jordan is on screen.

Some vague ones. We see Reed as a kid in school, more Doom (sounds like his look is pretty much the leaked stuff from way back plus the weird glowing effects we've seen in the recent spot), and something about the team walking through weird magma.

I'll make some predictions:

We'll FINALLY see a quick cut shot of Domashev's stupid powers

We might see Thing talk for a few seconds

We'll get even more Jordan and more shots or different takes of the same shots of his powers as well as saying something "witty"

Kate Mara will continue to be a lamp, and we might get another laugh track shot, as well as another demonstration or two of her power

Teller will also be there

And they'll probably end on the Thing plane shot again OR a big moment from the final fight

I wonder how much of my predictions will come true.

 

[Dasher10]

This was the last chance to really put something on here that people could get excited about, that there possibly was "something" that I would find that you guys could grab hold of...

As the moderator of this forum I should have been more upbeat, more positive, but I honestly couldn't find anything to be upbeat or positive about...and that totally goes against who I am. So I was sooooo hoping that I would find something today from SDCC that could be that positive upbeat last minute effort to get some excitement going.

I don't know what else to say....

I do. Blame Trank and demand a better sequel.