Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 38

[MadVillainy]

He has done well in small films, but his big films have been stinkers:

Divergent - 40% RT
Insurgent - 30% RT
That Awkward Moment - 23% RT

If FF is also a stinker, that and the above films are going to be what he's best known for.

Whiplash made 13 million domestic, so while he may have done well in that, few people saw it.

This film is his chance. If it's big and well received, he could have a huge career ahead of him. If it's not . . . well I don't see anything in his upcoming films that will make him an a-lister.

Ok... he might not do big films but he'll still do fine. Big blockbusters aren't the only things that make a good career. So he's not an a lister. So what? He can still have a good career doing indie work and dramas.

If he keeps he keeps being great in his drama work, whether they gross a lot of not his career will be in good shape.

And the whole thing about dramas like Whiplash: it may have only made $13 mill it was made for a little over $3 mill. So it made over 4 times it's budget, plus had some Oscar nods/wins (not for Teller) which is great.

 

[Zantera]

I bought tickets to see this on Friday. I do still have hope that it will turn out a pleasant surprise (the cast is great, Trank made Chronicle which is great, Kinberg is involved and the earlier FF movies are so bad, this is bound to look good in comparison), but after all the negative stuff you don't know until you've seen it.

One thing that did surprise me was the running time though. A superhero "blockbuster" film at 100 minutes? Sure, this won't be as big as Avengers or anything, but 2 hours feels pretty standard these days. The question becomes, is it short because they trimmed the bad stuff and made a slightly shorter, but more cohesive and great movie, or is it short because the movie is so bad they want it to be over faster?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Interesting. Reading the review and the comments they apparently saw it months ago though? 'Rough cut' and 2 hours long. So about 20mins of that is gone now.

Yeah, it was just posted a couple days ago, but it does look like it was from a rough cut a while back.

What concerns me is it seems very consistent with other things I've been seeing from people who are saying they saw it and hated it. So this guy and some of those may have seen it, but it may be a matter of taste regarding how well it works.

 

[wobbly]

The impression I get with Miles, throughout many interviews, his acting, etc, is that he's just painfully honest, honest to a fault really.

Plenty of actors or directors make the big movies so they can make their passion projects, it's as simple as that, it's just that many of them don't have the guts (or are just too scared to do so) to say it. Divergent & the likes is just trash and it's not like anyone would really care about what he said about that movie.

For Fantastic Four, it could also be sort of a tiny "f you" to Fox, who knows, we don't know what happened behind the scenes (and I do hope that maybe Josh Trank slips out a little on the Fat Man on Batman (Kevin Smith) podcast remaining parts), if Fox did what they have done before, ie, hiring a young, talented director and then proceeding to f***ing up the movie in the process.

Some actors just won't play the game like they're supposed to and say what they have on their mind, that's a quality, it can also be a flaw in this PC world we live in.

Teller also said this on Twitter:

"Miles Teller ✔@Miles_Teller
I've never done a movie for "business" reasons. I'm proud to be a part of Divergent franchise and love all of Peter's Princesses
9:28 PM - 24 Sep 2014"

Backpedaling maybe, could also be a case of the press distorting what a person says, wouldn't be the first time.

I think he was just back-pedalling there (still being in those films, he kinda had to). He could have got an official retraction if they misquoted him, deliberately or not.

Wouldn't be the first time an actor has been too honest for their own good.

 

[Erzengel]

You're probably talking about a 5% of the acting community that can pick and choose what they want to do and live comfortably. The rest have to probably take roles in movies that they aren't passionate about because of the paycheck. It's funny while acting is a career, there are times in between gigs and it might be days, weeks or even months between that you are technically unemployed.

 

[C. Lee]

Actors have to live...so many take on roles that they may not like or would prefer not to do if they had the chance. Most have the ability to "act" like they were happy to be part of the project while doing a promotional tour.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Most have the ability to "act" like they were happy to be part of the project while doing a promotional tour.

This is an interesting point. I'm not a professional actor, but I've been in more situations in my life than I can count in which I've had to pretend to enjoy being somewhere and talking about something when I really didn't want to be there.

If I can do it, a professional actor should certainly be able to do it.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I bought tickets to see this on Friday. I do still have hope that it will turn out a pleasant surprise (the cast is great, Trank made Chronicle which is great, Kinberg is involved and the earlier FF movies are so bad, this is bound to look good in comparison), but after all the negative stuff you don't know until you've seen it.

One thing that did surprise me was the running time though. A superhero "blockbuster" film at 100 minutes? Sure, this won't be as big as Avengers or anything, but 2 hours feels pretty standard these days. The question becomes, is it short because they trimmed the bad stuff and made a slightly shorter, but more cohesive and great movie, or is it short because the movie is so bad they want it to be over faster?

They probably made it shorter so they can maximize screenings for it, making their gross larger.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

This is an interesting point. I'm not a professional actor, but I've been in more situations in my life than I can count in which I've had to pretend to enjoy being somewhere and talking about something when I really didn't want to be there.

If I can do it, a professional actor should certainly be able to do it.

Doesn't mean they have to, it's politically correct to do so, but some people just can't go along with the BS. Better that than kissing everyone's ass imo.

Then again, Miles didn't diss the movie itself, he merely talked about what mostly everyone thinks, then again, if they really haven't seen the movie, he's more like being cautiously optimistic.

 

[Son of Coul]

Comparatively speaking, it is true. Most larger action films don't get great reviews. The ones that do are the exception, which is why they are celebrated. But I think he recognizes that this isn't going to be the typical superhero popcorn crowdpleaser film, and critics might well be mixed on it. They've been saying that for a long time.

And so he doesnt have as tight a grasp on recent RT numbers as he could. Why does that matter? Either the film will be good or it won't be.

He's not dissing his film. He's been explaining that it's different than what has come before. You all are looking for reasons to be upset at this point and reading way too much into this.

Of course you could say, "Well most films of such-and-such genre really don't get great reviews." That applies to every genre, from Horror to Sci-Fi to Indie films, because the good far outweigh the bad in every category. We're just not used to hearing about the smaller ones bombing because they don't have marketing blitzes. So is he expected to say this for any movie he participates in?

It's just a preemptive strike to ensure people who see negative feedback will think, "Oh, well they said this would happen because they're making something so unique and different. I'll check it out." Which is fine, since he's just doing what he can to help out, but it doesn't bode well for his feelings on how it'll turn out.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Actors have to live...so many take on roles that they may not like or would prefer not to do if they had the chance. Most have the ability to "act" like they were happy to be part of the project while doing a promotional tour.

I would think their contracts and chances of getting other jobs would depend on it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Doesn't mean they have to, it's politically correct to do so, but some people just can't go along with the BS. Better that than kissing everyone's ass imo.

Depends what you mean by 'have to'. Does he want to continue to work?

If somebody worked for me and they couldn't put up with the BS, they wouldn't work for me for long. Putting up with the BS is part of almost any job and anybody who wants to continue collecting a paycheck 'has to' do it.

 

[ThePhantasm]

This appears to be the most credible review I've seen, but it's on the site that shall not be named, so you'll have to remove the asterisk (*) to make it work.

http://www.comic*bookmovie.com/fansites/MadManReviewer/news/?a=123439

It also appears to confirm a few details from the AICN commenter review, particularly regarding the finale.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It also appears to confirm a few details from the AICN commenter review, particularly regarding the finale.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. All the reviews I've been reading are tending to share some consistent elements. It seems like they're either all real or all fake (and they just happened to come up with several fake ones that all seem to fit the same details).

The problem is most of the ones I've seen have been harsh to say the least, so if they are all real this could get ugly.

 

[Son of Coul]

I honestly don't really care whether someone's doing cartwheels or not during a press tour or whatever. I don't feel anyone anywhere owes an obligation to feign happiness when they're not if they're supposed to be representing themselves as a person. The acting should end when the cameras stop rolling. I understand how things are supposed to work and selling the movie is part of their occupation, but I prefer people being their natural selves in these things, provided they're not just a complete dick all around.

But yes, actors are consistently told to take any part coming their way starting out. You never know what job could lead to another, so a starting actor holding out to only do Oscar-worthy movies is impractical because 99.99% of the time those options aren't available to them.

 

[starscream22]

This appears to be the most credible review I've seen, but it's on the site that shall not be named, so you'll have to remove the asterisk (*) to make it work.


http://www.comic*bookmovie.com/fansites/MadManReviewer/news/?a=123439

Hmm... I get an error page when I remove the * Did they remove it?

 

[Val_Zod]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. All the reviews I've been reading are tending to share some consistent elements. It seems like they're either all real or all fake (and they just happened to come up with several fake ones that all seem to fit the same details).

The problem is most of the ones I've seen have been harsh to say the least, so if they are all real this could get ugly.

I was very disgusted with the AICN commenter's description of how Ben's physiology works.

 

[wobbly]

Hmm... I get an error page when I remove the * Did they remove it?

Still there for me atm. Try googling the URL?

 

[starscream22]

Still there for me atm. Try googling the URL?

Okay I found it. Thanks!

 

[wobbly]

I was very disgusted with the AICN commenter's description of how Ben's physiology works.

Going by that guys other comments I'd be inclined to not take them seriously atm. Rude & crude to say the least (I'd post a link but I don't think the mods would approve).

 

[wobbly]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. All the reviews I've been reading are tending to share some consistent elements. It seems like they're either all real or all fake (and they just happened to come up with several fake ones that all seem to fit the same details).

The problem is most of the ones I've seen have been harsh to say the least, so if they are all real this could get ugly.

I think the AICN one is likely bs. The first one from IMDB (the one who says the plane drop sequence is cut) is legit (they have valid reviews for other stuff there).

 

[C. Lee]

I would think their contracts and chances of getting other jobs would depend on it.

You would think so.....but sometimes it doesn't come across. I've been to lots of conventions over the years and met over a hundred celebs. There have been friendly ones, extremely outgoing ecstatic to be there and talk to everyone ones....and a few, that you just want to go up to and say "Why exactly are you here if it pains you so much?" There have been a couple of celebs that I was big fans of....until I met them.

 

[Orba]

Kinberg on EW defending the film while basically avoiding talking about any of the rumours of problems (like that he was supposed to have been the one that got Trank kicked off Star Wars), he even claims that the film was under budget (which would be impressive considering all of the reshoots).

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/03/fantastic-four-simon-kinberg-defends

 

[sleekstereo]

Here is the clip of the journalist on Movie Press talking about Miles Teller: https://youtu.be/Xzr0i8-kcg8?t=36m7s

 

[Dasher10]

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 as well I guess.

No, Man of Steel was a film where you either think it's the greatest CBM of all time or complete rubbish with no middle ground. TASM 2 was just seen as mediocre all around by nearly everyone.