Fant4stic Fantastic Four 2?

[Boom]

Consider me stunned if this actually happens.

Bombed at the box office. Bombed with audiences and critics alike. Who the hell is asking for this movie, let alone anticipating it? There is absolutely no point in pursuing this. To even suggest that they want to is asinine.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

there is literally no redeeming quality of Fanfourstic

Like not one reason for anyone to leave a movie theater and say "wow, I'm really looking forward to where they go with this series next"

And if you read this post and you are one of those people, god bless you.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

there is literally no redeeming quality of Fanfourstic

Like not one reason for anyone to leave a movie theater and say "wow, I'm really looking forward to where they go with this series next"

And if you read this post and you are one of those people, god bless you.

I have actually said this many times in different ways. It's not surprising that they could get some things wrong, that always happens, but the fact that they got everything wrong in the way they did is almost unimaginable.

By the time I finally got around to seeing it, even after all the bad things I knew about it and the comments from people who had seen it, I was still surprised by how bad it actually was.

I can't think of one single element that worked. Not one thing. I would really like somebody who claims to have liked it to name one specific scene/component/characteristic that was actually above average, because, for the life of me, I couldn't name anything.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would seriously like to see someone fill in this blank.

"It was great in the FF movie when _______ ."

I can't begin to imagine what you would fill in that blank with.

 

[RoryTate]

I would seriously like to see someone fill in this blank.

"It was great in the FF movie when _______ ."

It was great in the FF movie when the credits rolled, because that meant it was over.

 

[Boom]

I would seriously like to see someone fill in this blank.

"It was great in the FF movie when _______ ."

I can't begin to imagine what you would fill in that blank with.

It was great in the FF movie when I realized I could turn it off.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It was great in the FF movie when the credits rolled, because that meant it was over.

It was great in the FF movie when I realized I could turn it off.

Okay, I guess those are both valid.

 

[zeptron]

Kinberg must really be out of his mind. No one's gonna be in a hurry to see another F4 so soon after the last one tanked. Especially if it has the same cast(not saying the cast was the problem with the film). Hell even if Marvel got the rights back, they'd probably now have trouble making a successful F4 film now that the brand was so hurt by the last film. The general movie-going audience doesn't really pay attention to which studios own which superhero. They'll probably just think "oh those F4 movies all sucked, so this one probably will too."

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

For the short term I do think that the F4 brand has been tainted. The F4 are decently known characters but they aren't popular enough to withstand so many bad films without damage being done. Whoever makes another F4 movie should wait at least 5 years and will have to come out with a very good movie (not just decent) with virtually perfect marketing. The brand is going to have to be built back up because it's in the gutter right now.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Especially if it has the same cast(not saying the cast was the problem with the film).

The cast may have been talented, but they were still a big problem because they were terribly miscast.

And they're a big part of the reason there can't be a sequel. Everything that was done in the first film was done wrong. It's not a simple matter of having a better script for the second film because the Reed Richards we met in the first film was nothing like Reed Richards, the Ben Grimm was nothing like Ben Grimm, Doom was nothing like Doom etc. etc. etc.

When, as happened here, the first film is 180 degrees in the wrong direction, it's not a simple matter of course-correction. They can just fix problems with the first film because the problems are beyond repair.

And the fact Kinberg would even suggest they can pick up where they left off illustrates that he's just as clueless now as he was throughout the first film. How can he fix anything? If he actually understood what was wrong with the first film, he wouldn't have done it to start with.

Here, remember this:

The image on the right is what happened when a woman in Spain tried to restore the painting on the left.

If you wanted to try to repair the damage the woman did, you wouldn't give it back to her to try again just like you wouldn't give the FF back to Simon Kinberg.

What Simon Kinberg did to the FF is worse than what that woman did to the painting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

For the short term I do think that the F4 brand has been tainted. The F4 are decently known characters but they aren't popular enough to withstand so many bad films without damage being done. Whoever makes another F4 movie should wait at least 5 years and will have to come out with a very good movie (not just decent) with virtually perfect marketing. The brand is going to have to be built back up because it's in the gutter right now.

The advantage Marvel has (other than the obvious fact that they're not Fox so fans would at least give them a chance) is they can repair the damage by re-introducing the FF slowly in other MCU films.

If Marvel and Sony had simply made a new Spider-man, people would be skeptical. Most people don't understand the details like we do, so they'd just see there's a new Spider-man and say: "I don't know. The last one wasn't very good."

But they completely changed everything by using him sparingly in Civil War. Speaking for my wife and I, we had completely forgotten ASM2 as we were walking out of Civil War and both of us are as excited for the next Spider-man film as we could be.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

They can fart this one out regardless but I certainly won't be the one sitting in the seat realizing how much it smells like s*** knowing that making a sequel to a craptastic film isn't a wise move.

But hey, if they go ahead...they won't be getting any of my $$$.

Deadpool can have it all...gawd I love that movie. Its so damn sexy. One of the best sexiest movies where Ryan Reynolds knows how to work it in that red tight suit.

 

[Endeavor]

Here, remember this:

The image on the right is what happened when a woman in Spain tried to restore the painting on the left.

If you wanted to try to repair the damage the woman did, you wouldn't give it back to her to try again just like you wouldn't give the FF back to Simon Kinberg.

LOL
Perfect illustration of this fiasco.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

LOL
Perfect illustration of this fiasco.

It is, isn't it?

Simon Kinberg: Ta da! Here's your Fantastic Four.

Fans: What the hell?!?!? That's awful. That's not the Fantastic Four.

Simon Kinberg: I must have used brush strokes that were a little too heavy. No problem. I'll just do it again with lighter brush strokes.

Fans:

 

[Tony Stark]

People are making WAY too much out of this. The truth is Kinberg has no control over what happens. NONE.

Of course Kinberg isn't going to say "oh we'll never make that" because the studio could force him to do it. He's just giving a politicians answer to a question that is ridiculous to begin with.

First off the "we want to make a film with that cast". Even if they are contractually obligated, there are ways of getting out.

Second, they'll never greenlight the film. You don't get do-overs for a film that no one cared about in the first place. This is a film that made 56M. Films that make 56M don't get sequels.

No there will be no FF2. I don't know what Fox will do with the rights, but Fox doesn't care about studio wars, they care about making profits, which they did not with the first film in this series.

My guess is they will either sit on this and wait until the right expire, hoping that Marvel will try to buy them back, or they will sit down and talk with Marvel.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

People are making WAY too much out of this. The truth is Kinberg has no control over what happens. NONE.

Of course Kinberg isn't going to say "oh we'll never make that" because the studio could force him to do it. He's just giving a politicians answer to a question that is ridiculous to begin with.

First off the "we want to make a film with that cast". Even if they are contractually obligated, there are ways of getting out.

Second, they'll never greenlight the film. You don't get do-overs for a film that no one cared about in the first place. This is a film that made 56M. Films that make 56M don't get sequels.

No there will be no FF2. I don't know what Fox will do with the rights, but Fox doesn't care about studio wars, they care about making profits, which they did not with the first film in this series.

My guess is they will either sit on this and wait until the right expire, hoping that Marvel will try to buy them back, or they will sit down and talk with Marvel.

Oh, I agree, but the idea that he would even suggest it - as opposed to simply begging for forgiveness - is beyond galling.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I'd love to see them try this though. And watch the movie make even less than $168 million worldwide. Maybe when they realize TV/Merch rights for x-men will be worth more than their ****** attempts at F4 they'll give up.

**** with Marvel and you're gonna get burned. I wouldn't normally say something like that, but 9 times out of 10 Fox is idiotic about their film making. They have shining golden examples of how to do this right in front of their faces, and yet they still suck at it.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think it'll take longer that 5 years to rebuild good faith in the brand.
Not because Im a huge pro-MCU guy. But reintroducing them in an MCU film I think is the only way to go.

I cant see them dropping a film with just the FF and it making money. Even if it's good. It would have to be received like TDK, Fury Road, etc. for me to think it'll make good money.

I like FF, but for sure they need to just chill on it for a while

 

[Slushy]

I think it'll take longer that 5 years to rebuild good faith in the brand.
Not because Im a huge pro-MCU guy. But reintroducing them in an MCU film I think is the only way to go.

I agree. I do believe Marvel Studios intentionally used Spider-Man the way they did to get the Not So Amazing stink off him.

I hope they do the same with the Fantastic Four to get them reacquainted with the audience again in a positive manner and hit a home run like they did with Spidey.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Introducing Spider-Man in a film that wasn't his was the smartest thing to do. Ease people into the character again after the failed reboot series.

 

[RoryTate]

Anyone else think that this is just a negotiating tactic by Fox? You can't get value for something that is worthless to you, even if it potentially might be worth something to someone else. So they're trying to bluff that they are considering the idea of continuing this franchise.

However, if that was their goal then it backfired spectacularly. All that has happened is because of the discussion, youtube videos, and news articles noting how stupid this idea is, everyone is remembering Fant4stic all over again, and it'll be that much harder for anyone to see a new film as its own movie. They need to start a media blackout on this, and fast.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Anyone else think that this is just a negotiating tactic by Fox? You can't get value for something that is worthless to you, even if it potentially might be worth something to someone else. So they're trying to bluff that they are considering the idea of continuing this franchise.

Could be, and that did pop into my mind, but I sort of suspect (and I can't say this with a great deal of confidence, just my gut feeling), that a deal is already done or mostly done and we'll hear about it in two more months at Comic Con.

If there was a purpose to Kinberg's comments, I suspect it's more about getting people to watch it on HBO and Kinberg's pride.

But I think it may simply be that Kinberg really is this stupid and he really does want to do it (even though it will never happen). Based on everything I've seen Kinberg do and say over the past 3 years, I think he really is as dumb as he sounds.

But I also agree that if Fox is doing any of this by design they are just shooting themselves in the foot. As long as they're saying things like this, I won't see any Fox films. If they want to start healing the wounds with people like me and allowing me to view their films without disgust, the first step is to stop destroying the FF in words and deed.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They don't even like the Fantastic Four, there is no reason for them not to sell the rights back to Marvel. MCU fans may not like it but for the most part they are doing okay with the X-Men rights (they are going to have to freshen up the X-franchise though) but Fantastic Four? They never cared for the property and thus have never given it a real shot.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

They don't even like the Fantastic Four,

This is what drives me ABSOLUTELY NUTS. They treat FF like the red-headed step-child. They're constantly talking about how it doesn't work and they have to change it.

They never give it an appropriate budget. They never put talented directors, writers etc. on it.

And then Kinberg says: "I love it almost as much as X-Men"

So you have two Marvel properties and you like this one almost as much as your favorite.

. . . in other words, this is your least favorite Marvel property, right?

 

[StormC]

If this gets a sequel, we better get sequels to Dragon Ball Evolution and The Last Airbender.