Favreau/Marvel takes a little jab at WB/JLA

[Wally West]

People are acting like its impossible to bring big casts together for multiple films. People say it couldn't be done.

But you know look at the Harry Potter films, everyone and their mother were saying that the kids couldn't play their characters for all the movies, yet they did. And they not only kept the leads, but all the background characters and friends that only have a couple of lines, its the same people in EVERY MOVIE. The Harry Potter movies have now built up one of the strongest running ensemble casts to date. And in there you have top talent such as Alan Rickman, Maggie Smith, etc. who have been in the business for decades and have hundreds of credits.

Marvel is producing these movies themselves, and if they are serious about getting the same cast and actors, which they are already talking about now so I doubt the leads are not receptive to it, then I think they will make it happen. But it counts on the movies to hit it big which I hope they do.

Part of the reason Justice League is in the mess its currently in is because of what happened to Superman. Superman really messed it up for everybody. And I hate to pick on it, because well it wasn't a terrible movie, just wasn't good enough to get the job done.

I totally agree with you about Superman, it was a decent enough film. But it is a difficult story to continue, with the plot points being very unpopular, and it failed to make the $$$ (the bottom line) so it screwed everything up.

That's exactly why it's going to be tough on Marvel, if most of these solo films don't make a big profit - then you can forget about a high priced avengers movie.

I think there is a chance, I like what they're doing so far, but making an avengers film at the end of that road is no small task.

 

[TheVileOne]

There's a huge difference between keeping unknowns for a massively budgeted franchise and stars for a massively budgeted franchise. A huge one. To the tune of millions and millions of dollars.

Which is what exactly? Crispin Glover still walked away from the Back To The Future sequels.

If JUSTICE LEAGUE flops, WB will go back to the drawing board. It's not like they're gung ho to make all the solo hero films now and will then back out if JL flops. They clearly want to wait to see how a JLA film does before pursuing any more solo superhero films.

I would think how Iron Man and Hulk do just MIGHT have an affect on Avengers considering Avengers isn't starting to shoot in the middle of a WGA strike.

 

[metalhead971]

I totally agree with you about Superman, it was a decent enough film. But it is a difficult story to continue, with the plot points being very unpopular, and it failed to make the $$$ (the bottom line) so it screwed everything up.

That's exactly why it's going to be tough on Marvel, if most of these solo films don't make a big profit - then you can forget about a high priced avengers movie.

I think there is a chance, I like what they're doing so far, but making an avengers film at the end of that road is no small task.

Still, it'll be worth checking out the individual films first to see just how good an Avengers movie could be with the big ensemble cast they're envisioning. If the actors portray their characters well and the movies make decent money, the demand for an Avengers movie could increase dramatically. Unfortunately, we haven't received the Superman movie that can do the same for Justice League. Not only that, but I wouldn't wanna see Bale in a Justice League movie. It just seems like a different type of interpretation of Batman. They'd have to go with someone else, and the other characters would need to REALLY make a mark if WB wants to do this whole "ensemble, then branch off" thing.

 

[The Guard]

Which is what exactly? Crispin Freeman still walked away from the Back To The Future sequels.

The difference between keeping unknowns and keeping stars? It costs a lot more to keep stars.

I would think how Iron Man and Hulk do just MIGHT have an affect on Avengers considering Avengers isn't starting to shoot in the middle of a WGA strike.

I'm not sure what that has to do with WB and their Justice League project. Can you elaborate on that response?

 

[TheVileOne]

The difference between keeping unknowns and keeping stars? It costs a lot more to keep stars.

If the movie hits it big then these people technically become stars and then will want more money to come back. It's simple logic, actors get paid MORE for sequels.

Crispin Glover wanted a ton of more money for Back to the future sequels despite being UNKNOWN!

Being unknown doesn't kill egos.

I'm not sure what that has to do with WB and their Justice League project. Can you elaborate on that response?

The success or lack of success for Hulk or Iron Man would definitely have an affect on Avengers as well. But that bridge is yet to be crossed. Also we don't know what the plan is and how the culmination will come about. How well or not so well they do might affect that. If Iron Man will have two movies before Avengers or three, or just one. But Marvel is still planning ahead and thinking about it now and that's smart. They know they want to work with the same people for Avengers and that's exactly what they are talking about right now.

And Favreau says that Marvel wants to do the Avengers movie with all the same actors. And if they don't get the same actors he stated they don't want to do it at all. So I guess that's the answer from Favreau regarding what would happen if any of the actors walked.

I'm simply asking why rush the Justice League in the middle of the strike if they aren't sure about it and the budget is extremely risky? Justice League is not something sure fire like Harry Potter 6 no matter what way you spin it.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

It's Crispin GLOVER, not Freeman.

 

[Ike E Bear]

Crispin Glover?

Edit - Jake beat me to it.

In producing their own films, if I was Marvel I wouldn't be as obsessed with BIG profits. A movie that makes a modest return (as opposed to losing money) provides a certain value in promoting their properties to a wider audience and keeping them alive in popular culture.

Movies are a business, but there's more to Marvel's business than just movies. Shrug.

 

[TheVileOne]

Crispin Freeman has played Superman before.

 

[66 Face]

The guys not taking a jab at the WB. He's just flat out right.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes again. He says the plan is that they want to use all the same actors, and if they can't do it for Avengers, Marvel won't do it at all. Meaning if anyone walks, they won't do it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yes again. He says the plan is that they want to use all the same actors, and if they can't do it for Avengers, Marvel won't do it at all. Meaning if anyone walks, they won't do it.

I think they can survive with a recast in one of the slots... they need the actors back for the solos that are the biggest draws thats obvious... but cmon man everything won't be perfect even if the solos make a gazillion... bearing with one recast isn't the hardest thing to do man cmon...

 

[TheVileOne]

Well, I think we need to see what happens first.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yes again. He says the plan is that they want to use all the same actors, and if they can't do it for Avengers, Marvel won't do it at all. Meaning if anyone walks, they won't do it.

Boy, how incredible stupid. But great, if it works out. Having all the actors would be a dream come true. But do you honestly believe Marvel won't touch The Avengers just because they (for whatever reason) can't get one or two of the original actors? Come on now. They want money...They will recast if they have to. Will you whine and moan about a recasted Avengers roster when that happens?

 

[Wally West]

Boy, how incredible stupid. But great, if it works out. Having all the actors would be a dream come true. But do you honestly believe Marvel won't touch The Avengers just because they (for whatever reason) can't get one or two of the original actors? Come on now. They want money...They will recast if they have to. Will you whine and moan about a recasted Avengers roster when that happens?

My money says he will

 

[FaT_tONle]

My money says he will

Yeah Vile would ***** about it just as much as JLA... if he had it his way T-Mags would be playing Parker from 4-6... look I can't stand recasts either and I'd ***** and moan as well... but I could honestly live with another actor playing Hulk... its THE HULK for pete's sake... I bet if they recasted like three oout of four heroes then its not worh it... I don't expect anyone big for Thor and even C.A if that gets made down the road so I think you could lock up smaller names for an Avengers... but you definitely need Downey back especially if IM is the most successful.

 

[Triple Skeet]

Yes again. He says the plan is that they want to use all the same actors, and if they can't do it for Avengers, Marvel won't do it at all. Meaning if anyone walks, they won't do it.

Well thats just ******ed. Personally, I think hes full of ****. If the actors dont want to reprise their roles in an Avengers movie, I seriously doubt Marvel will scrap it. And if they do they are ass holes. In a perfect world all of the actors that made these roles famous will come together and make a great movie, but if that cant happen Id still rather have an Avengers movie with recasts then no movie at all. Same thing with Justice League. Thats the one part I dont get about all the negative nancys around here.


And for the record Crispin Glover is a dope. Jeffrey Weismann played his role in Back to the Future 2 so well most people dont even know Glover wasnt in it.

 

[The Guard]

Yeah, I don't believe Marvel would scrap THE AVENGERS if they had to recast Bruce Banner yet again.

 

[TheVileOne]

How is it full of ****? And how do you know they aren't asking the actors about it right now?

As far as the Hulk, I have no problem with any of the recasts so far. Why? The Hulk SUCKED. Ed Norton is a much more appropriate and intelligent actor and choice for Bruce Banner. I just see this as a new Hulk and a new franchise that's starting over again just like Batman Begins.

If they manage to keep almost the entire cast for Avengers, awesome. If guys like Norton, Downey, or whoever can't make it to Avengers, yes I will be upset. But from what we are hearing, Marvel is serious about keeping the actors in their roles intact. It might work, it might not, but no matter what Avengers is YEARS off. There's no rush to beat Justice League or have an Avengers/Justice League summer. Marvel is doing it at their own pace, and I think that's the right way to do it.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea avengers would not be happening untill 2011/2012. We have hulk and ironman for 08, thor for 09, and capt america/ant-man for 10. So it would be around 2012 before avengers would happen counting on if thor/cap/ant do get off the ground.

 

[TheVileOne]

For all we know it could be even later than that.

If the movies take off they might want to do sequels to Iron Man and Hulk first. You never know. Favreau apparently has a more than one movie plan for Iron Man and the first movie is only chapter 1 of that. Now Avengers could be a later chapter, but we don't know which one. But Iron Man needs to hit it out of the park first.

But my prediction is that there is no way Avengers gets made before 2010.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Just my two cents... but I am hoping if Favreau ends up being the guys that spearheads this thing for Marvel... he sets up Mandarin for Avengers... hopefully the other solos also setup villains for Avengers... I'd like to think it would be a sequel to all the solo movies in a weird way. Then you could give it that epic feel... maybe its good JLA does it this way so Avengers won't exactly appear to be a rehash of its predecesor/equivalent over at DC.

 

[Docker2.0]

For all we know it could be even later than that.

If the movies take off they might want to do sequels to Iron Man and Hulk first. You never know. Favreau apparently has a more than one movie plan for Iron Man and the first movie is only chapter 1 of that. Now Avengers could be a later chapter, but we don't know which one. But Iron Man needs to hit it out of the park first.

But my prediction is that there is no way Avengers gets made before 2010.

I think it will be made in 2010. And for those people who keep saying that Marvel wont' get those actors back, all of the actors thus far have said they want to do a Avengers movie. Ocean 11 had more stars and Batman Forever(even though it sucked)had a lot of superstars as well. I think Marvel will make it happen. Downey and Norton are all clamming for it, Thor will be a unknown so I'm sure he'd be down for it. The only mystery is who will play Cap and Ant man and that will show if the movie is possible.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think it will be made in 2010. And for those people who keep saying that Marvel wont' get those actors back, all of the actors thus far have said they want to do a Avengers movie. Ocean 11 had more stars and Batman Forever(even though it sucked)had a lot of superstars as well. I think Marvel will make it happen. Downey and Norton are all clamming for it, Thor will be a unknown so I'm sure he'd be down for it. The only mystery is who will play Cap and Ant man and that will show if the movie is possible.

I don't think so, because I'd say they will want Cap and Thor done first and they will make sure they are done right (fingers crossed). And who knows what else.

But if it gets made 2010, who knows what that means. That could mean a 2011 or 2012 release date. A movie like Avengers should not be rushed or else you end up with X-men 3.

 

[Triple Skeet]

Why should I give a shi t about a movie that might be made in 2013???? Sorry, I worry about now. If they make the movie down the line, great, but right now the movies Im excited about are Dark Knight, Iron Man, and Justice League.

I have way to many things to give my attention to then to care about a movie that might come out 5 years from now.

 

[TheVileOne]

No one's saying you should, but a lot of the deluded JL fans that are like JL IS GOING TO BEAT JL AND JL WILL ROCK AVENGERS WILL FAIL definitely give a crap about when Avengers comes out.