F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[MagnarTheGreat]

NBC News - Stormy lawyer: Transactions suggest Cohen was 'selling access' to Trump
'Where did the money go?' lawyer Michael Avenatti asked.

A senior official inside one of those companies, the drug giant Novartis, told NBC News that Cohen reached out shortly after Trump's election "promising access" to the new administration. Cohen and his attorney did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...uggest-cohen-was-selling-access-trump-n872731

 

[Sithborg]

Stormy's lawyer can't be the only one that got this info. I HIGHLY doubt that this was shared with him by Mueller's investigation but I think if he could get this then the special counsel was already all over this.

Mueller had this info 6 months ago. So, it begs the question, what is it that he actually referred to the NY team to cause the raid on Cohen? Actually, that may have been when he referred it to the NY team.

 

[Dr Lee]

generally, if something big drops with Trump & Co.... Mueller's been on it for months already. the investigation is a lot further ahead than the public thinks

 

[Sithborg]

generally, if something big drops with Trump & Co.... Mueller's been on it for months already. the investigation is a lot further ahead than the public thinks

Hell, it is a lot further than many in the administration thinks. I remember one of CNN's Trump people talking about his interview with Mueller. He was quite rattled.

 

[MaceB]

How the hell is Republican stonewalling of Obama in Congress any different to what the Democrats are trying to do to Trump now though? It's tit-for-tat childishness, everyone does it now. Welcome to modern politics, the last real bipartisan era we had was the second Clinton term, aside from the terror-related agreements under Bush.

It's not turning back anytime soon, doesn't matter who the President is. It'll be this way with whoever follows Trump too, Democrat or Republican alike. It's basically "the last Congress did it to our guy, bad behavior justifies more bad behavior".

How is it different? Well, for starters.. Obama was an accomplished, capable, intelligent, calm and statesmanly President who didn't embarrass us on the daily. Trump, on the other hand, has reneged out of our obligations, reversed course on dirty fossil fuels, increased our deficit, gave millions to rich with unpaid for tax cuts, and has alienated our allies overseas. In one situation, it's warranted... no necessary to stonewall. In the other situation, you've got a lot of angry rich white guys who don't want to work with the scary, socialist, muslim black man. There's a lot of difference.

That's first, but second... the extreme filibustering started under Obama. You're acting like it's been this way forever, but it hasn't. The GOP hopped on the crazy bus by refusing to work with Obama, and that's what started it. Context is important. It's not tit for tat childishness. Democrats aren't working with Trump's ideas, because his ideas are horrible, and they should be fought. Not just because it's some political game.

Just like I said earlier and you ignored.. this is not normal. Yes, presidencies overrule each other... but they usually don't walk out of international binding agreements without cause, leaving our allies out to dry. I don't blame Obama for enacting the Iran deal unilaterally because the GOP wouldn't work with him.. on anything. Based on our past conversations, I presume this is when you say, "hey, hey, hey, don't get me wrong.. I'm not a Trump supporter; I just like carrying his water for him." Please. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[JohnReese]

I don't want to be that guy or get too paranoid. But does anyone feel all of the press about Trump and his administration is a ploy by him and the GOP to discredit the media? What I am saying is could they intentionally be feeding the media false information and reveal something else thus discrediting the media, solidifying his support, and putting an end to the Russia probe?

Sometimes I just feel there's something more sinister going on and I have a bad feeling he, his GOP base, and the rest of his administration will weasel their way out of this.

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

How is it different? Well, for starters.. Obama was an accomplished, capable, intelligent, calm and statesmanly President who didn't embarrass us on the daily. Trump, on the other hand, has reneged out of our obligations, reversed course on dirty fossil fuels, increased our deficit, gave millions to rich with unpaid for tax cuts, and has alienated our allies overseas. In one situation, it's warranted... no necessary to stonewall. In the other situation, you've got a lot of angry rich white guys who don't want to work with the scary, socialist, muslim black man. There's a lot of difference.

That's first, but second... the extreme filibustering started under Obama. You're acting like it's been this way forever, but it hasn't. The GOP hopped on the crazy bus by refusing to work with Obama, and that's what started it. Context is important. It's not tit for tat childishness. Democrats aren't working with Trump's ideas, because his ideas are horrible, and they should be fought. Not just because it's some political game.

Just like I said earlier and you ignored.. this is not normal. Yes, presidencies overrule each other... but they usually don't walk out of international binding agreements without cause, leaving our allies out to dry. I don't blame Obama for enacting the Iran deal unilaterally because the GOP wouldn't work with him.. on anything. Based on our past conversations, I presume this is when you say, "hey, hey, hey, don't get me wrong.. I'm not a Trump supporter; I just like carrying his water for him." Please. You aren't fooling anyone.[/QUOTE




Very well said

 

[Sithborg]

I don't want to be that guy or get too paranoid. But does anyone feel all of the press about Trump and his administration is a ploy by him and the GOP to discredit the media? What I am saying is could they intentionally be feeding the media false information and reveal something else thus discrediting the media, solidifying his support, and putting an end to the Russia probe?

Sometimes I just feel there's something more sinister going on and I have a bad feeling he, his GOP base, and the rest of his administration will weasel their way out of this.

They have tried that. It didn't work.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't want to be that guy or get too paranoid. But does anyone feel all of the press about Trump and his administration is a ploy by him and the GOP to discredit the media? What I am saying is could they intentionally be feeding the media false information and reveal something else thus discrediting the media, solidifying his support, and putting an end to the Russia probe?

Sometimes I just feel there's something more sinister going on and I have a bad feeling he, his GOP base, and the rest of his administration will weasel their way out of this.

What would it do for them? They don't have any credibility nor do their supporters online.

Just about every time a report was floated about things in the WH they fumed it's untrue and so do their base... Only to have it confirmed or come to pass.

Plus... How could they spin giving out fake info?

"We know you think we lie all the time... So here's us deliberately giving out false info. 3D chess ya'll!"

Besides... Has this group shown any ability to do that level of planning? Even the N. Korean situation is likely more about the powers in Pyongyang being sloppy with their facility and it going boom than anything Trump's people were involved with.

 

[Sithborg]

And in today's irony, Oliver North came out in support of sanctions against Iran.

 

[squeekness]

I don't want to be that guy or get too paranoid. But does anyone feel all of the press about Trump and his administration is a ploy by him and the GOP to discredit the media? What I am saying is could they intentionally be feeding the media false information and reveal something else thus discrediting the media, solidifying his support, and putting an end to the Russia probe?

Sometimes I just feel there's something more sinister going on and I have a bad feeling he, his GOP base, and the rest of his administration will weasel their way out of this.

This is Fox News every day.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

As someone on the outside, this is exactly what is being viewed as happening over there. the GOP just refused to play ball for Obama when he tried to make American lives better.

Now with Trump trying to help only the top rich dudes in the US, the Dems are doing (not very well i admit) their best to fight against the injustices going on now.

completely different situations

The hilarious thing is the Dems are not only known for almost always caving out of some sense of compromise or common ground in the hopes that they receive the same from the GOP (spoiler, they don't), but they also do it in a comically bad way almost always shooting themselves in the foot by getting the worst possible deal for themselves damn near every single time.

I don't want to be that guy or get too paranoid. But does anyone feel all of the press about Trump and his administration is a ploy by him and the GOP to discredit the media? What I am saying is could they intentionally be feeding the media false information and reveal something else thus discrediting the media, solidifying his support, and putting an end to the Russia probe?

Sometimes I just feel there's something more sinister going on and I have a bad feeling he, his GOP base, and the rest of his administration will weasel their way out of this.

You are forgetting they already tried this week ago by "leaking" Mueller's questions which they had themselves made. It was reported on as such the very next day.

Trump and co do not have the wherewithal to accomplish such a feat nor the loyalty from staff that Trump keeps demanding and would be needed to pull off such a feat.

He doesn't really have to either considering he admitted today that any negative press about him is "fake news" by which his followers and many among the GOP consider the gospel.

 

[Sithborg]

And now, Cohen has been linked to receiving payments from a Kushner related company.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[squeekness]

Outstanding.

 

[Charlatan]

McCain confesses that he was the one to give Comey the Steele Dossier.

 

[MaceB]

McCain is quite the mixed bag isn't he? I hope he's feeling okay as he gets his stuff in order.

 

[Sithborg]

He also seems to be signalling in trying to torpedo Haspel's nomination to CIA Director. So, we will see what his final acts are.

 

[Schlosser85]

Am I the only one who thinks the “was torture immoral?” question was pointless?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Am I the only one who thinks the “was torture immoral?” question was pointless?

Trump's support of torture makes it kind of relevant imo.

 

[MaceB]

Am I the only one who thinks the “was torture immoral?” question was pointless?

I don't know... normally I'd say that it was a pointless question... but we live in The Upside Down now... so we may need to re-evaulate. The reason why the question is somewhat important to me is that there are many people in conservative circles who say nowadays proudly that yes - torture does work, and the only reason why liberals call it immoral is because they're too PC.

I think we need to nip that in the bud.
1) Torture doesn't work, because the info produced isn't 100% reliable.
2) Even if it was though, we don't torture, because it puts our own soldiers at risk who are serving abroad.
3) Yes, it's immoral to suffocate someone repeatedly and deprive them of sleep as they hang with their arms over their head for hours...days. On face, that is an immoral act.

These things seem really self evident to me, but apparently they're not. That's why it was important to ask I think... and she gave basically a terrible answer IMO. It shouldn't be hard to say that torture is immoral.

 

[Sithborg]

Am I the only one who thinks the “was torture immoral?” question was pointless?

For what she oversaw and covered up, kind of an important question.

 

[TheJL]

Torturing a pregnant woman seems pretty gruesome.

I have no idea how long I was in the Thai secret prison because no one would let me sleep. The cell was white and stark, with nothing in it but a camera and hooks on the wall. The masked abductors were waiting. I was terrified. They chained me to the hooks. Because I was midway through my pregnancy, I could barely move or sit.

Some of what they did to me in that prison was so awful I can’t talk about it. They hit me in the abdomen just where the baby was. To move me, they bound me to a stretcher from head to toe, like a mummy. I was sure I would shortly be killed.

For the rendition flight to Libya, I was taped to a stretcher again. The tape caught the corner of my eye. It stayed that way, my eye taped open, tears streaming down my face, for more than 14 hours.

After I spent several weeks in a Libyan prison, Colonel Qaddafi’s spies dragged a crib into my cell. I was gravely ill. If I lived through this, I thought, I would be forced to give birth, alone, in this filthy cell.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/gina-haspel-questions-cia.html

 

[Aximili86]

Even though every single other country involved and even Israel and Saudia Arabia agreed they were in fact abiding by the deal? The stretches of logic to justify Trump's personal vendetta against Obama and Trump's ignorance and arrogance had nothing to do with it at all?

Israel & Saudi Arabia didn't. France & the UK and the EU generally did.

 

[Sithborg]

Netenyahu is kind of desperate for a distraction from his own issues. And, well, the Saudi's haven't exactly been hiding on what they have been wanting to do in the Middle East.