F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[MaceB]

You're delusional if you think it's actually getting to the point, even if they find the guy guilty. The impeachment stuff just isn't happening, and Baby Jebus'd come back down to earth and cure all our ills before this guy voluntarily resigns.

That doesn't mean he's not getting found guilty on at least some of this, he probably is. That's different to being removed being on the cards though, the Democrats aren't going to be able to pull it off. He'll either get voted out in 2020 by the public over his behavior with all of this ****, or he won't. Guilty or not guilty.

We'll see. A year can do a lot, and if Trump is perceived as a weight around the GOP, then several moderate Republican senators could drop their supports. It all depends on what Mueller comes out with, and how things shake up in a year. If you've got big GOP losses, a scathing Mueller report to congress, and an economy in decline.... then you never know. The trick is not to push for it... but to just allow it to happen naturally. Dems shouldn't even talk impeachment until Mueller comes out with his findings. And even hen... it'll basically have to be touch and go. But they shouldn't rush in... let the voters make that kind of choice, and the Democrats can work to bring it home. All the Dems need to do is listen and wait. If the voters want it, and the time is right, then do it!
But yeah... of course... all things being equal, impeachment isn't likely at all. And if the Dems don't have the votes to oust him, then they shouldn't even try. We don't need Trump to become the next Clinton.

 

[Aximili86]

It all depends on what Mueller comes out with, and how things shake up in a year.

This, right here. It's not that Mueller can't/won't indict him over all this, it's just simply that we don't know yet, it's premature. We all seem to be acting like it's a done deal.

If he goes down, fine, great. But demanding & assuming it at this point just might be setting yourself up for later outrage if it doesn't pan out that way. For all we know this could be Comey on Clinton, "irresponsible & unethical but we're finding it difficult to definitively say criminal". If that's what it comes out as from Mueller, no way he's getting removed - it might sway public opinion in the negative and get him voted out in 2020 though.

 

[Sithborg]

And now, it isn't even Mueller who is a threat. It is whoever Cohen is going to squeal to in order to save himself. Though, I will settle for Cohen taking out the Trump Org, hit him really where it hurts.

And Nunes is up to his same old ********, pushing to hold Sessions in contempt of court. I really, really wonder what Nunes has done.

 

[Teelie]

Nunes was so gung-ho to have those memos released to read and when he finally got them, he did not read them. He just wanted to make an appearance of impropriety without actually verifying it. His staff ended up looking (fruitlessly) for anything they could use and came up with nothing.

That is why Memogate came and went without much impact. There was nothing there to show a biased investigation.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, the whole issue why the Justice Department is having this tiff with Nunes is because of all the leaking going on in the Intelligence Committee.

EDIT: And Rudy snuck onto TV again today.

 

[DeadPresident]

And now, it isn't even Mueller who is a threat. It is whoever Cohen is going to squeal to in order to save himself. Though, I will settle for Cohen taking out the Trump Org, hit him really where it hurts.

And Nunes is up to his same old ********, pushing to hold Sessions in contempt of court. I really, really wonder what Nunes has done.

Cohen seems like the golden goose in this, he knows a lot of **** about Trump and his conduct over the last decade. Whether it's any of the nonsense regarding Trump's political career or not, he can definitely give information on at least a few crooked property deals or unsavory favors Trump has gotten. My guess is he'll give whoever whatever they want in exchange for not throwing the book at him.

Something in that limited treasure trove of a brain he has can sink Trump in one way or another, I'm pretty sure of that. Whether it leads to his presidency ending or not is questionable, but there are a few skeletons he can dig out of Trump's closet for sure.

 

[Lighthouse]

I think Giuliani has something really wrong with him. Every interview is more bizarre than the last one.

 

[DeadPresident]

He didn't seem all there in the initial Fox and Friends interview, he comes off like those old people that aren't sure what is or isn't appropriate to say anymore. He doesn't seem to understand the gravity of his slip ups, because they're certainly putting more heat on Trump.

 

[Schlosser85]

Nunes is pretty obviously just a Trump lackey who's been trying to sabotage an investigation he is ostensibly recused from.

And Giuliani needs to get off TV and ideally go crawl back down the sewer drain he slithered out of, because his ranting and raving and trying to be Trump's Mini-Me isn't helping anything. In fact, he's making things worse.

 

[Sithborg]

To be fair, it is really tough for him to talk about something that isn't 9/11

 

[Ouch]

He might not be but his ego won't let him be considered 'less' than any other president. That means he wants a big and glorious war to show off how great he is.

A war with Iran would certainly be big, but hardly glorious. That would be a mess way beyond even Iraq has been. I could see Trump doing something more along the lines of Reagan's Grenada invasion where he would jump a small country with no chance and make like it was a huge victory. It sounds like something a bully like Trump would do and you know the complicit American media would slobber all over it.

 

[Aximili86]

Where the hell do you get Trump's thinking the Iran deal isn't a good agreement equating to "we're going to war with Iran" though? That's a pretty major jump, it's not "the deal stays, or war".

 

[squeekness]

I think Giuliani has something really wrong with him. Every interview is more bizarre than the last one.

Trump infected him with whatever is destroying his own mind.

 

[Sithborg]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/05/giuliani-trump-iran-regime-change-570744

Rudy was pushing for regime change.

Bolton is a warmonger. And we have Bibi and Salman pushing for a war with Iran, both who are very good at buttering up Trump.

 

[routhman]

Y’all acting like we didn’t know Rudy had completely lost his marbles after the 2016 RNC. That was a real show.

 

[squeekness]

I think it's becoming a little more obvious now.

 

[Raiden]

Cohen seems like the golden goose in this, he knows a lot of **** about Trump and his conduct over the last decade. Whether it's any of the nonsense regarding Trump's political career or not, he can definitely give information on at least a few crooked property deals or unsavory favors Trump has gotten. My guess is he'll give whoever whatever they want in exchange for not throwing the book at him.

Something in that limited treasure trove of a brain he has can sink Trump in one way or another, I'm pretty sure of that. Whether it leads to his presidency ending or not is questionable, but there are a few skeletons he can dig out of Trump's closet for sure.

Didn't FBI confiscated many documents from Cohen's office & home? There's some hope that those papers can help sink Trump's presidency.

 

[ludovica]

Question to the American on here: why did Trump's base want to avoid intervention in Syria? "Just" Infowars-like fear mongering?
Would they be a-ok with war with Iran?

Honestly, to me they make as much sense as Infowars does. Which is none.

 

[chamber-music]

Question to the American on here: why did Trump's base want to avoid intervention in Syria? "Just" Infowars-like fear mongering?
Would they be a-ok with war with Iran?

Honestly, to me they make as much sense as Infowars does. Which is none.

I imagine it is because Iran is seen as a threat to U.S interests among some powerful folks. Important U.S allies Israeli and Saudi Arabia are enemies of Iran. Iran is supported by Russia. Russia has a increasingly strained relationship again with most western countries over the last 15 years. There is a geopolitical interest in keeping Iran in conflict with the U.S.

Syria is seen as a mostly internal conflict. It is essentially a civil war despite various outsiders being involved in the conflict.

 

[ludovica]

I imagine it is because Iran is seen as a threat to U.S interests among some powerful folks. Important U.S allies Israeli and Saudi Arabia are enemies of Iran. Iran is supported by Russia. Russia has a increasingly strained relationship again with most western countries over the last 15 years. There is a geopolitical interest in keeping Iran in conflict with the U.S.

Syria is seen as a mostly internal conflict. It is essentially a civil war despite various outsiders being involved in the conflict.

Thanks anyway, but I meant what's the pulse of the lowest common denominator base, the racist rednecks so to speak.
No offense meant toward the progressive rednecks. t:

 

[MaceB]

Question to the American on here: why did Trump's base want to avoid intervention in Syria? "Just" Infowars-like fear mongering?
Would they be a-ok with war with Iran?

Honestly, to me they make as much sense as Infowars does. Which is none.

For the most part, W.'s Iraq debacle is still really fresh in the psyches of most Americans, Republicans and Democrats alike. After that whole situation, many Americans grew very suspicious of the idea that we can go into the Middle East and not get stuck there indefinitely. We know the risks now of a foolhardy war.

However, Iran is another ball of wax. For decades now, there's been this impression that we can go to war here, we can go to war there... but all roads lead to Iran. Our conflict has an air of inevitability to it, especially to war mongers like Bolton. Why exactly that is? I dunno. For many Americans, Iran is kinda like the mother ship of Islam.. again, I'm not sure how exactly some people got this impression either. But the feeling of an inevitable Iran/America conflict, might be partly because of this Western World / Islamic clash thing going on... and Iran has just been chosen as the proxy for that war.

It also could be about resources. It's possible that this is a battle about oil, and that the 'powers that be' have been pushing this for so long, that that's where this feeling of inevitability comes from. It's a manufactured story, we've been hearing for decades. Conservatives don't know why the believe it... it's the story they've always heard and they feel like they don't have a reason to change. it. It's in the cultural psyche.

TLDR - the answer to your question is we generally don't like going to war these days, but many Americans would carve out a special exception for Iran.

 

[Sithborg]

For the most part, W.'s Iraq debacle is still really fresh in the psyches of most Americans, Republicans and Democrats alike. After that whole situation, many Americans grew very suspicious of the idea that we can go into the Middle East and not get stuck there indefinitely. We know the risks now of a foolhardy war.

However, Iran is another ball of wax. For decades now, there's been this impression that we can go to war here, we can go to war there... but all roads lead to Iran. Our conflict has an air of inevitability to it, especially to war mongers like Bolton. Why exactly that is? I dunno. For many Americans, Iran is kinda like the mother ship of Islam.. again, I'm not sure how exactly some people got this impression either. But the feeling of an inevitable Iran/America conflict, might be partly because of this Western World / Islamic clash thing going on... and Iran has just been chosen as the proxy for that war.

It also could be about resources. It's possible that this is a battle about oil, and that the 'powers that be' have been pushing this for so long, that that's where this feeling of inevitability comes from. It's a manufactured story, we've been hearing for decades. Conservatives don't know why the believe it... it's the story they've always heard and they feel like they don't have a reason to change. it. It's in the cultural psyche.

TLDR - the answer to your question is we generally don't like going to war these days, but many Americans would carve out a special exception for Iran.

It's a generational divide, imo. The ones that want to go to Iran were around for the Iran hostage crisis. They are also the generation that didn't actually go into Iraq and Afghanistan.

@#$# boomers.

 

[Sithborg]

And in other racist news, Sessions is making it official that asylum seekers will be separate from their kids, because asylum seekers who likely don't know US law, will be arrested and charged with a federal crime, even if they are eventually granted asylum.

 

[Morg]

Melania Trump copies ‘Be Best’ anti-cyberbullying guidelines from booklet released by Obama’s FTC

oops

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

She or her handlers love copying the Obamas... And Rick Astley of course.