F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 26

[FTCBIRDMAN]

Is this for real? It can't be anymore obvious

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm curious. What's the story with JewishHobbit? I thought he was a well respected guy around these parts. Did he come out as conservative & get banned?

He was a troll. He would post something inflammatory and dash.

I like to think that he was actually Stephen Miller.

 

[CJ]

He was a troll. He would post something inflammatory and dash.

I like to think that he was actually Stephen Miller.

Oh I see. Thanks for clearing that up. I remember seeing his name quite a few times in the past.

 

[FTCBIRDMAN]

I miss LTUser. That guy was a hoot and a half

 

[Schlosser85]

You don’t get banned for being conservative.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Laura Bush wrote an Op-ed to the Washington Post condemning children being separated from their parents. If only the past presidents would speak up. Respect for the current president be damned.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

We need to know what is happening inside the facility holding those children.

 

[Morg]

We need to know what is happening inside the facility holding those children.

McALLEN, Texas (AP) — Inside an old warehouse in South Texas, hundreds of children wait in a series of cages created by metal fencing. One cage had 20 children inside. Scattered about are bottles of water, bags of chips and large foil sheets intended to serve as blankets.

One teenager told an advocate who visited that she was helping care for a young child she didn't know because the child's aunt was somewhere else in the facility. She said she had to show others in her cell how to change the girl's diaper.

The U.S. Border Patrol on Sunday allowed reporters to briefly visit the facility where it holds families arrested at the southern U.S. border, responding to new criticism and protests over the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy and resulting separation of families.

More than 1,100 people were inside the large, dark facility that's divided into separate wings for unaccompanied children, adults on their own, and mothers and fathers with children. The cages in each wing open out into common areas to use portable restrooms. The overhead lighting in the warehouse stays on around the clock.

The Border Patrol said close to 200 people inside the facility were minors unaccompanied by a parent. Another 500 were "family units," parents and children. Many adults who crossed the border without legal permission could be charged with illegal entry and placed in jail, away from their children.

Reporters were not allowed by agents to interview any of the detainees or take photos.

Nearly 2,000 children have been taken from their parents since Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the policy, which directs Homeland Security officials to refer all cases of illegal entry into the United States for prosecution. Church groups and human rights advocates have sharply criticized the policy, calling it inhumane.

Stories have spread of children being torn from their parents' arms, and parents not being able to find where their kids have gone. A group of congressional lawmakers visited the same facility Sunday and were set to visit a longer-term shelter holding around 1,500 children — many of whom were separated from their parents.

"Those kids inside who have been separated from their parents are already being traumatized," said Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon, who was denied entry earlier this month to children's shelter. "It doesn't matter whether the floor is swept and the bedsheets tucked in tight."

In Texas' Rio Grande Valley, the busiest corridor for people trying to enter the U.S., Border Patrol officials argue that they have to crack down on migrants and separate adults from children as a deterrent to others.

"When you exempt a group of people from the law ... that creates a draw," said Manuel Padilla, the Border Patrol's chief agent here. "That creates the trends right here."

Agents running the holding facility — generally known as "Ursula" for the name of the street it's on — said everyone detained is given adequate food, access to showers and laundered clothes, and medical care. People are supposed to move through the facility quickly. Under U.S. law, children are required to be turned over within three days to shelters funded by the Department of Health and Human Services.

Padilla said agents in the Rio Grande Valley have allowed families with children under the age of 5 to stay together in most cases.

An advocate who spent several hours in the facility Friday said she was deeply troubled by what she found.

Michelle Brane, director of migrant rights at the Women's Refugee Commission, met with a 16-year-old girl who had been taking care of a young girl for three days. The teen and others in their cage thought the girl was 2 years old.

"She had to teach other kids in the cell to change her diaper," Brane said.

Brane said that after an attorney started to ask questions, agents found the girl's aunt and reunited the two. It turned out that the girl was actually 4 years old. Part of the problem was that she didn't speak Spanish, but K'iche, a language indigenous to Guatemala.

"She was so traumatized that she wasn't talking," Brane said. "She was just curled up in a little ball."

Brane said she also saw officials at the facility scold a group of 5-year-olds for playing around in their cage, telling them to settle down. There are no toys or books.

But one boy nearby wasn't playing with the rest. According to Brane, he was quiet, clutching a piece of paper that was a photocopy of his mother's ID card.

"The government is literally taking kids away from their parents and leaving them in inappropriate conditions," Brane said. "If a parent left a child in a cage with no supervision with other 5-year-olds, they'd be held accountable."

Dr. Colleen Kraft, the head of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said that she visited a small shelter in Texas recently, which she declined to identity. A toddler inside the 60-bed facility caught her eye — she was crying uncontrollably and pounding her little fists on mat.

Staff members tried to console the child, who looked to be about 2 years old, Kraft said. She had been taken from her mother the night before and brought to the shelter.

The staff gave her books and toys — but they weren't allowed to pick her up, to hold her or hug her to try to calm her. As a rule, staff aren't allowed to touch the children there, she said.

"The stress is overwhelming," she said. "The focus needs to be on the welfare of these children, absent of politics."

Like this one?

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Not surprised in the least. And thats just a snapshot. Makes me nauseous/angry/depressed. WTMF?

The sheer brazen stuoidity of a move like this is stunning.

 

[Matt Mortem]

America should be better than this, but we aren't. I genuinely don't think the Republican Party will ever be sated. Throw up the wall and they'll find some minority group to brutalize. Hatred can't be sated and all they know is pure, bitter hatred.

 

[Hobgoblin]

America should be better than this, but we aren't. I genuinely don't think the Republican Party will ever be sated. Throw up the wall and they'll find some minority group to brutalize. Hatred can't be sated and all they know is pure, bitter hatred.

The GOP itself is only one part of the problem. I want to know what the hell is going on in the minds of the people that vote for this crap. How do you stop people from wanting this to happen and think it's justified?

The people applauding this have a persecution complex and especially resent being "victimized" by people they hate. There is a weird paranoia and they see conspiracies everywhere. A customer I delivered to always watched Fox News, loved Trump, loved his guns, was a proud "deplorable" and believed "they" were trying to "make more of them," meaning Louis Farakhans. He once kept my boss for half an hour just talking about conspiracy theories.

How do you talk to someone that thinks everything is a lie?

 

[Sithborg]

I saw a quote that is depressingly accurate.

"It positively chills you to the bone the degree to which white people will accept almost any atrocity if you convince them it's only happening because "these people will not follow the rules""

And so, once again, our country faces the question of ethnic cleansing.

My only glimmer of hope is that this seems to be a step to far for the "evangelicals".

 

[Raiden]

I saw a quote that is depressingly accurate.

"It positively chills you to the bone the degree to which white people will accept almost any atrocity if you convince them it's only happening because "these people will not follow the rules""

And so, once again, our country faces the question of ethnic cleansing.

My only glimmer of hope is that this seems to be a step to far for the "evangelicals".

The sad truth is that this is the ugly underbelly of the American society, which has been encouraged to rise up and be proud of their racist self after Trump was elected. In the past, they would have hid this dark side of themselves, but Trump is 10 times worst and so people don't feel so bad for being who they really are anymore.

 

[Matt Mortem]

The GOP itself is only one part of the problem. I want to know what the hell is going on in the minds of the people that vote for this crap. How do you stop people from wanting this to happen and think it's justified?

The people applauding this have a persecution complex and especially resent being "victimized" by people they hate. There is a weird paranoia and they see conspiracies everywhere. A customer I delivered to always watched Fox News, loved Trump, loved his guns, was a proud "deplorable" and believed "they" were trying to "make more of them," meaning Louis Farakhans. He once kept my boss for half an hour just talking about conspiracy theories.

How do you talk to someone that thinks everything is a lie?

My Aunt is arguing in favor of it. "Well we need a deterrent and it's the Parents fault the kids are going through it, not the Republican Party or Trump." I called ******** so she said that the "law" that is being thrown around to justify this was made in 1997 and you "didn't see any left outrage then." I cannot argue with any Trumptards without them flipping it into "Well the Democrats did it first."

Honest to God I view Trump supporters as subhumans, my family included. They are less than human to me. They deserve to be shunned and ostracized.

Children are being abused and Republicans, Trump and his supporters are happy as can be.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I heard that in the 60s, the Russians took advantage of the JFK assassination to spread rumors that his death was an inside job. They wanted to undermine trust in the government. This government paranoia has festered for 50 years and it's finally doing it's damage.

Of course, the government didn't do itself any favors by actually having done shady crap in the past.

 

[Matt Mortem]

My Aunt wants to know why I didn't speak out against some immigration law Bill Clinton signed in 1996 or 1997. I was seven years old at the time. She knows this, but her golden calf worship makes her argue without any logic or reason.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, Nixon was a big blow. And then you had Waco and Ruby Ridge which really set off the gun nuts.

A little of that paranoia would be nice against the group that is quickly becoming our brownshirts.

 

[moviedoors]

If you’re okay with separating 2 year olds from not only their parents, but any form of physical comfort, you can go straight to Hell. I loathe my country and my state right now. This is pure evil.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

If you’re okay with separating 2 year olds from not only their parents, but any form of physical comfort, you can go straight to Hell. I loathe my country and my state right now. This is pure evil.

I can’t help but feel that there is too much of a resemblance to this with what is currently going on.
Worse perhaps, as children are being seperated from their parents...

 

[Aximili86]

Why should Kim be shown any respect at all? Do we respect him murdering his family members? Starving his people? What about what they did to poor Otto? What exactly is there to respect again? Yeah talk about logic

Meeting with the guy isn't necessarily showing respect, though, just polite pragmatism. You're not going to call the guy out in person when you're trying to get diplomacy done.

We've met with Stalin, Mao, countless crackpot dictators of smaller nations than those over the 20th century. We knew the **** they were pulling at home when those meetings occurred. You just smile and act nice in-person and continue trying to find ways to deal with them behind the scenes.

You know, basic human interaction. "Hey tubby, maybe throw some of those dumplings you over-indulge in to your boney farmers. Maybe shut down the gulags while you're at it" doesn't bode well for negotiations.

You think the South Korean leader was calling him out on human rights abuses when they met? The Singaporean guy? **** no, because it's not good for business.

 

[Donner]

Riiiight. Trump just sang Kim's praises to get diplomacy done.

 

[Aximili86]

You'd only take that as genuine praise if you're wanting to take it that way.

You've never been in a situation where you're complimenting and behaving civilly around someone you don't like, because there's business at hand or just out of basic social propriety?

Reagan's going to go negotiate nukes with Gorbachev and be all "Perestroika my ass, we can still see the gulags on our satellite images"? Nixon's going to b*tchslap Mao across the face and start lecturing him about the communist policy bringing about the famine?

You smile, you address them as "Chairman", you show them potential opportunities going forward. Even throw a kind word their way now and then, if it's going to stop them taking their ball and going home.

Pretty ****ed-up situation when Trump of all people sees the behaving-like-an-adult benefits in an official meeting sense and you don't. Given he's such a childish pr*ck.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Oh for ****'s sake, Aximili.

Can we stop this insanity? Just because you are negotiating with someone doesn't mean you have to talk about them in such a glowing way. Especially when they're a mass murdering dictator. Did Truman say that Stalin had a "great personality" and go on about how "very talented" he was? Or did he tell the press how his people - who are starving - "love" him. I mean granted, Truman talked like an adult, but did he say anything comparable? You can be civil without giving someone ****ing ******io.

He actually said he loves his people. The man has concentration camps entire families are sent to. No one can leave the ****ing country. Gorbachev was not summarily executing entire families.

Kim Jong-un is literally an enemy. We are in a state of war with him at present.

Also you know, or should know that, that this is part of a broader disturbing trend of Trump flattering dictators while insulting America's traditional allies.

You should go to DC, I hear there is a job fair.

 

[Aximili86]

What do you want him to say though? "He doesn't care about his people"?

Of course Kim doesn't care about his people. You say the opposite if it's going to appeal to his ego and get him to play ball though.

Frankly, half the Europeans are pulling the same exact tactic when dealing with Trump now, anyway. Macron for example obviously can't stand the guy, but he comes over here and kisses his ass for 48 hours or whatever because there's a negotiation on tariffs coming up. That didn't work out for Macron of course, but it's a basic diplomatic tactic. You say flattering things about people when you have to, even if everyone knows they're scum.

Trump's simply not the first president to do this stuff. It's demonstrable.

 

[Donner]

This is insane. You're actually arguing that Trump is acting like an adult with Kim? What about before when he was calling him fat and crazy? Or was that okay? You'll make any excuse for the guy, it's sad. And he also said that his praise was just sarcasm and not to be taken seriously. So that's diplomatic now?

Trump got played by Kim. Big time. And he's the only one who didn't see it, other than his idiot supporters.